Game Thread: Official Draft Thread ESPN/ABC 7PM CT

[WindyCityBorn]

eversley just talked about how they're leaning hard on internal development and have all the pieces in place to make that happen, then in response to another question revealed they haven't hired a director of player development or shooting coach to replace peter patton (and aren't going to)

Sounds well set up to take a raw 18 year old at pick 12.....

We have developmental coaches in the organization already.

[Dan Z]

Bulls roster is actually pretty full. And any Vucevic/Collins/Huerter trade could return two players, those are some big expirings. They still have Terry, Phillips, Ayo and Williams to play this season. Makes sense to trade the second to me if we could get say 2 seconds when we have more roster spots. Just re-sign Tre Jones with that roster spot and you have a ton of trade possibilities with all these guards.

We have 3 centers who all need minutes and we're rushing to draft a center, lol. If we do get rid of Vuc for a non-center, we still have Collins and Smith. Running out of minutes for a rookie to play.

I have my doubts that they can get two future 2nds for the #45 pick, but if they can they should do it.

However, Raynaurd, Kilkbrenner and Fleming are still available and if they can get one in a minor deal then I think they should. That player could always spend time in the G League and come along slow (if need be).

Rocco has also been mentioned. Maybe he's available at #45? I don't know much about him.

[Chi town]

I think so much of development is on the player not the org.

[DuckIII]

that press conference was as dire as ever. how do we hire such duds

He smiled at first, removed his glasses, and then turned into a sad, frustrated robot.

I'm happier not seeing or hearing from any member of our FO. They instill the type of confidence that Captain Herbert Sobel did in the field. And that dog just ain't gonna hunt.

[Jcool0]

eversley just talked about how they're leaning hard on internal development and have all the pieces in place to make that happen, then in response to another question revealed they haven't hired a director of player development or shooting coach to replace peter patton (and aren't going to)

Sounds well set up to take a raw 18 year old at pick 12.....

We have developmental coaches in the organization already.

[GuardianEnzo]

I like the idea of taking Rocco at 45 (Reynaud and Kalkbrenner are gone for sure) but I think it's pretty unlikely he'll still be on the board.

[Dominator83]

eversley just strongly hinted they're going to trade out of the second round tomorrow lol

(specifically, there was a question about their roster flexibility, and he said "well first we're going to see how we handle the second round tomorrow; we COULD make a pick, or we could...trade up, trade back, or trade out altogether. and so if we trade out we'll be at 13 players...". obviously not a slam-dunk but the way he answered it made me feel like he was pre-justifying not using that pick)

Which is fine.... As long as they get back a future pick and not make it another cash considerations selection

[GoBlue72391]

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[GoBlue72391]

Bulls roster is actually pretty full. And any Vucevic/Collins/Huerter trade could return two players, those are some big expirings. They still have Terry, Phillips, Ayo and Williams to play this season. Makes sense to trade the second to me if we could get say 2 seconds when we have more roster spots. Just re-sign Tre Jones with that roster spot and you have a ton of trade possibilities with all these guards.

We have 3 centers who all need minutes and we're rushing to draft a center, lol. If we do get rid of Vuc for a non-center, we still have Collins and Smith. Running out of minutes for a rookie to play.

One of Pat/Phillips/Terry has got to go, and it's not gonna be Pat because he's untradeable unless we attach an asset to him. So damn redudant, especially with Matas and now Essengue. Do we really need 3 young forwards on the roster who don't do anything? As a 2nd rounder, Phillips could surely be waived with little financial ramifications.

[GoBlue72391]

eversley just talked about how they're leaning hard on internal development and have all the pieces in place to make that happen, then in response to another question revealed they haven't hired a director of player development or shooting coach to replace peter patton (and aren't going to)

See, this is the reason why I'm not thrilled with the Essengue pick. It's baffling that not only did we fire a reportedly good shot/development guy, but we've still yet to replace him or address player development at all.

Ideally, you'd want your primary development guy to give his insight on any potential picks, look at his film, study his mechanics, see if he thinks he can work with the kid.

He needed to go to a competent organization. That ain't us!

ME: "We're prioritizing player development."

Reporter: "What have you done to adress it?"

ME: "Nothing."

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[Muzbar]

After the 10th pick only 2 teams (Bulls and Celtics) were picking with their own pick, every other pick was traded either before on during the draft.

That's insane. (To me)

[DASMACKDOWN]

eversley just talked about how they're leaning hard on internal development and have all the pieces in place to make that happen, then in response to another question revealed they haven't hired a director of player development or shooting coach to replace peter patton (and aren't going to)

See, this is the reason why I'm not thrilled with the Essengue pick. It's baffling that not only did we fire a reportedly good shot/development guy, but we've still yet to replace him or address player development at all.

Ideally, you'd want your primary development guy to give his insight on any potential picks, look at his film, study his mechanics, see if he thinks he can work with the kid.

He needed to go to a competent organization. That ain't us!

ME: "We're prioritizing player development."

Reporter: "What have you done to adress it?"

ME: "Nothing."

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

But honestly though, most of us have no idea what even goes into player development. We have no idea what Patton actually did.

Was it just as simple as grabbing a ball and going through shooting routines? If so, then yes any coach can do that.

I think the majority is player development on his own.

think of it, Peter Patton got alot of praise because Ayo and Coby mentioned him. Ayo shot 40% from 3 that year. But at the same time, Vooch shot a career worst. Was that also Patton to blame? Hardly.

At the same time last year - still under Patton, Ayo went back down to 32% from 3. Did Patton forget player development?

Nah its still on the player. Its more in the offseason, the lab. And most players have their own coaching team to get them locked in. Ie. JohnnyDribble2Much in Coby's case.

[Red Larrivee]

Bulls roster is actually pretty full. And any Vucevic/Collins/Huerter trade could return two players, those are some big expirings. They still have Terry, Phillips, Ayo and Williams to play this season. Makes sense to trade the second to me if we could get say 2 seconds when we have more roster spots. Just re-sign Tre Jones with that roster spot and you have a ton of trade possibilities with all these guards.

We have 3 centers who all need minutes and we're rushing to draft a center, lol. If we do get rid of Vuc for a non-center, we still have Collins and Smith. Running out of minutes for a rookie to play.

Waive or.waive/stretch carter, or just toss.them in the G... either way, take a shot

Essengue is "the shot".

It really doesn't matter who you waive, the 45th pick isn't playing next year. I don't think they're waiving Vuc without seeing what his expiring could potentially do for them. Carter could be bought out, but still that's not opening up minutes.

KC said they're planning to use the MLE in free agency as well, so you also have to account for that. Do they want to bring back Tre? Who knows.

But, you're looking at:

Giddey/Ball
White/Dosunmu/Terry
Huerter/Williams/Phillips
Buzelis/Essengue
Vucevic/Smith/Collins

They already have to clear up some of these logjams, but there's nothing for a 45th pick to come into. There's also a fair chance that there's not much difference between the players going 45th and the UDFAs that will be available as well.

[MGB8]

The problem with “the shot” is that the Bulls tend to fail when swinging for the HR. Going back decades. Corey Benjamin. Eddie Robinson. Tyson and Eddie. Tyrus Thomas. James Johnson (athletic freak, low bal IQ… by the time he developed it, the athleticism was mostly gone).

And more recently, Pat was the high riser raw talent who would become Kawhi like (or at least Harrison Barnes like for less dreamy folks). Terry. Phillips. Heck, even WCJ was a hope that he would be a stronger Horford.

The Bulls have tended to do better when they swing for the double (when it presents), sometimes getting a triple or even HR out of it. Again, historically, going back to guys like Kirk and Deng and Brand and Jimmy. Noah. Taj. Coby (as opposed to swinging for the HR with Reddish or some of the others).

Meanwhile, Miami gets bigger, better defending version of Herro to put next to Herro. Meaning that of Essengue actually develops enough to start at the 4 (rather than 5) and Matas doesn’t lose speed and can stay at the 3…. Giddey and White need to defend Herro and KJ on the perimeter….

[Ccwatercraft]

After the 10th pick only 2 teams (Bulls and Celtics) were picking with their own pick, every other pick was traded either before on during the draft.

That's insane. (To me)

You're right, it's pretty crazy, and based on projected player movement this offseason it might be the same next year.

[Ccwatercraft]

Bulls roster is actually pretty full. And any Vucevic/Collins/Huerter trade could return two players, those are some big expirings. They still have Terry, Phillips, Ayo and Williams to play this season. Makes sense to trade the second to me if we could get say 2 seconds when we have more roster spots. Just re-sign Tre Jones with that roster spot and you have a ton of trade possibilities with all these guards.

We have 3 centers who all need minutes and we're rushing to draft a center, lol. If we do get rid of Vuc for a non-center, we still have Collins and Smith. Running out of minutes for a rookie to play.

Waive or.waive/stretch carter, or just toss.them in the G... either way, take a shot

Essengue is "the shot".

It really doesn't matter who you waive, the 45th pick isn't playing next year. I don't think they're waiving Vuc without seeing what his expiring could potentially do for them. Carter could be bought out, but still that's not opening up minutes.

KC said they're planning to use the MLE in free agency as well, so you also have to account for that. Do they want to bring back Tre? Who knows.

But, you're looking at:

Giddey/Ball
White/Dosunmu/Terry
Huerter/Williams/Phillips
Buzelis/Essengue
Vucevic/Smith/Collins

They already have to clear up some of these logjams, but there's nothing for a 45th pick to come into. There's also a fair chance that there's not much difference between the players going 45th and the UDFAs that will be available as well.

You have a point... but given that we're not the thunder with too much talent, I'd still rather let Carter go and take another stab at finding someone that may surprise us, even if it takes a couple years.

It makes no sense to take less bites at the apple when your roster is so hungry for talent.

Edit: regarding Tre... yes, I'dvery much like to see him back but I suspect he's going to get a better offer elsewhere

[sco]

Waive or.waive/stretch carter, or just toss.them in the G... either way, take a shot

Essengue is "the shot".

It really doesn't matter who you waive, the 45th pick isn't playing next year. I don't think they're waiving Vuc without seeing what his expiring could potentially do for them. Carter could be bought out, but still that's not opening up minutes.

KC said they're planning to use the MLE in free agency as well, so you also have to account for that. Do they want to bring back Tre? Who knows.

But, you're looking at:

Giddey/Ball
White/Dosunmu/Terry
Huerter/Williams/Phillips
Buzelis/Essengue
Vucevic/Smith/Collins

They already have to clear up some of these logjams, but there's nothing for a 45th pick to come into. There's also a fair chance that there's not much difference between the players going 45th and the UDFAs that will be available as well.

You have a point... but given that we're not the thunder with too much talent, I'd still rather let Carter go and take another stab at finding someone that may surprise us, even if it takes a couple years.

It makes no sense to take less bites at the apple when your roster is so hungry for talent.

Edit: regarding Tre... yes, I'dvery much like to see him back but I suspect he's going to get a better offer elsewhere

I agree on Tre...although many of the teams I pegged him to drafted a PG. I still see DAL as a real possibility.

[Red Larrivee]

You have a point... but given that we're not the thunder with too much talent, I'd still rather let Carter go and take another stab at finding someone that may surprise us, even if it takes a couple years.

It makes no sense to take less bites at the apple when your roster is so hungry for talent.

That's not what they're deciding between though. Waiving Carter is an easy choice.

- They want to use the MLE on a player.
- They want to explore trade options with the expiring deals they have, which could end up bringing in more players than they send out.
- They just drafted Essengue, who will need minutes at some point
- Ayo and Ball are returning to the team.
- Tre may not get a better offer with limited cap space out here, but is he someone they want back?

In the context of this roster, It's practical to draft/stash or sell it for future 2nds. Otherwise, you're just drafting someone to be in the G-League all year, which doesn't justify a roster spot when you're crunched like this. You can just get another two-way guy without using a pick to do it.

[LateNight]

Bulls roster is actually pretty full. And any Vucevic/Collins/Huerter trade could return two players, those are some big expirings. They still have Terry, Phillips, Ayo and Williams to play this season. Makes sense to trade the second to me if we could get say 2 seconds when we have more roster spots. Just re-sign Tre Jones with that roster spot and you have a ton of trade possibilities with all these guards.

We have 3 centers who all need minutes and we're rushing to draft a center, lol. If we do get rid of Vuc for a non-center, we still have Collins and Smith. Running out of minutes for a rookie to play.

Waive or.waive/stretch carter, or just toss.them in the G... either way, take a shot

Essengue is "the shot".

It really doesn't matter who you waive, the 45th pick isn't playing next year. I don't think they're waiving Vuc without seeing what his expiring could potentially do for them. Carter could be bought out, but still that's not opening up minutes.

KC said they're planning to use the MLE in free agency as well, so you also have to account for that. Do they want to bring back Tre? Who knows.

But, you're looking at:

Giddey/Ball
White/Dosunmu/Terry
Huerter/Williams/Phillips
Buzelis/Essengue
Vucevic/Smith/Collins

They already have to clear up some of these logjams, but there's nothing for a 45th pick to come into. There's also a fair chance that there's not much difference between the players going 45th and the UDFAs that will be available as well.

Ayo was a second round pick and he has outperformed most of our first pounders. These guys can’t afford not to take a shot - they aren’t good enough at the rest of their job

[ChettheJet]

The predicted flurry of trades sure didn't happen. Maybe some wanted too much or didn't offer enough. I think there may be a rush of veterans getting cut as teams try to save money with the draft picks they made.