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Kuminga options if traded

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Of these options, which would you prefer?

1 Keep Kuminga
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27%
2 Trade for Kobe White and Vucic
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35%
3 Trade for Wiggins (bring him back)
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12%
4 Sabonis from the Kings
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5 Jrue Holiday
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12%
 
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Re: Kuminga options if traded 

Post#61 » by AirP. » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:26 am

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Cool story, bro. Too bad none of that happened.

Then why hasn't he played, the most athletically gifted player on the team, GS used a lottery pick (a huge asset) to get him, didn't just trade him to get rid of him. If he would play good defense which he can do and just run the offense vs call his own number to stop the offense he would have been playing a lot more.


Kerr couldn't care less about athleticism or draft status.

In his 4 years here, JK had a ton of different roles: starting 3, starting 4, starting 5, bench scorer, POA defender, DNP-CD collector. Two years ago, when wigs was out with this father's illness, JK started 30 games, next to Steph and Dray, and was instrumental in helping us avoid the play-in that year. Wigs came back for the playoffs and JK went from 30+ mins a night to DNP-CDs or single digit minutes.

In Klay's last season, JK came off the bench, started, was the main bench scorer, was a complimentary scorer to Steph, and even started at the 4. After Dray's suspension, JK played pretty well and was a key reason we finished the season 25-12 or whatever it was. Got bounced in the play-in but I wonder if JK would have seen the floor in the playoffs that season or rode the bench in favor of Saric or Santos.

This year, JK's role went from starting (Kerr quit that idea after first 3 games), to anchoring the 2nd unit, to starting, again, to coming in as the swiss-army knife off the bench. The only time he had a clearly defined role, for more than 10 games, was when Wigs was out and that was 2 years ago. Since then, he's been jerked around more than a porn star. He's taken it in stride and was ready when called upon. Not sure how everyone else is reading that to mean he's entitled.

Things were starting to click for him and I think he would have found his role fairly quickly once Jimmy came, IF he didn't destroy his ankle for 3 months. JK struggled when he came back, didn't look like himself, physically, until the Minny series, and Kerr didn't have the time or the games to try an bring JK along. I disagree with the DNP-CDs but I do get why he lost his spot in the rotation as the 1st guy off the bench.

Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Instead of ascribing motivations to a 22 year old that I've never met, or a wildly successful head coach, I would rather take the things that were actually said at face value. If you disagree, I can't blame you. I will, however, continue to disagree with the idea that JK didn't do what was asked of him and is an entitled player who just wants to call his own number. I've watched all of his minutes and while I disagree with the shot selection, i don't see a selfish player than only cares about his stats. I see a guy that thinks his talent is being underutilized and he can't reach his ceiling by riding the bench and never having a clear role defined for, not given to, him.


So, you don't think he was told to quit ignoring Curry which is what I saw and kept hearing as the reason why he couldn't get regular minutes? Playing the position, he's put on the floor isn't him just falling in line, the guy shot at the same rate Kevin Durrant shot this year, 17.9 FGA per36, THATS INSANE. But I guess keep thinking Kuminga was doing what he was asked to (seems odd he was told to just call his own number so much) do on the offensive end and it's been reported that Kerr had an issue with that, I wonder if this was ever relayed to Kuminga or do you think Kerr kept this as a secret? Putting up stats and playing your role are asked to play are not the same thing.


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Re: Kuminga options if traded 

Post#62 » by AirP. » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:38 am

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Kerr couldn't care less about athleticism or draft status.

In his 4 years here, JK had a ton of different roles: starting 3, starting 4, starting 5, bench scorer, POA defender, DNP-CD collector. Two years ago, when wigs was out with this father's illness, JK started 30 games, next to Steph and Dray, and was instrumental in helping us avoid the play-in that year. Wigs came back for the playoffs and JK went from 30+ mins a night to DNP-CDs or single digit minutes.

In Klay's last season, JK came off the bench, started, was the main bench scorer, was a complimentary scorer to Steph, and even started at the 4. After Dray's suspension, JK played pretty well and was a key reason we finished the season 25-12 or whatever it was. Got bounced in the play-in but I wonder if JK would have seen the floor in the playoffs that season or rode the bench in favor of Saric or Santos.

This year, JK's role went from starting (Kerr quit that idea after first 3 games), to anchoring the 2nd unit, to starting, again, to coming in as the swiss-army knife off the bench. The only time he had a clearly defined role, for more than 10 games, was when Wigs was out and that was 2 years ago. Since then, he's been jerked around more than a porn star. He's taken it in stride and was ready when called upon. Not sure how everyone else is reading that to mean he's entitled.

Things were starting to click for him and I think he would have found his role fairly quickly once Jimmy came, IF he didn't destroy his ankle for 3 months. JK struggled when he came back, didn't look like himself, physically, until the Minny series, and Kerr didn't have the time or the games to try an bring JK along. I disagree with the DNP-CDs but I do get why he lost his spot in the rotation as the 1st guy off the bench.

Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Instead of ascribing motivations to a 22 year old that I've never met, or a wildly successful head coach, I would rather take the things that were actually said at face value. If you disagree, I can't blame you. I will, however, continue to disagree with the idea that JK didn't do what was asked of him and is an entitled player who just wants to call his own number. I've watched all of his minutes and while I disagree with the shot selection, i don't see a selfish player than only cares about his stats. I see a guy that thinks his talent is being underutilized and he can't reach his ceiling by riding the bench and never having a clear role defined for, not given to, him.

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Agree. All Kuminga wants is a F'ing consistent role on this team. Kerr just dicks around way too much. He says "trying to see what works" but if it works for four games but doesn't for one, he benches Kuminga. This is benching a young uber athletic stud for guys CBA dudes because they may not make the same mistakes. Honestly, its' bull. It's like saying I like having stock in Matel cause I know it's going to stay at 20 bucks when you could own a tech stock with a ceiling of 50.

Then do what the coach asks you to do, if he doesn't want you to just ignore Curry on the court, maybe you shouldn't just go out there and call your own number. It's really simple, either have enough talent to force the coach to play you or maybe, MAYBE just do what the coach asks. Holy **** you guys think the players should just get to play however they want to if they have talent.
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Post#63 » by AirP. » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:45 am

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Post#64 » by Onus » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:03 am

AirP. wrote:Shams talking about Miami's interest in Kuminga.
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I know they’re trying to move Wiggins but would you trade jk + moody for Wiggins?
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Post#65 » by marthafokker » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:07 am

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AirP. wrote:Shams talking about Miami's interest in Kuminga.
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I know they’re trying to move Wiggins but would you trade jk + moody for Wiggins?


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Post#66 » by ahmetmekin » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:10 am

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AirP. wrote:Shams talking about Miami's interest in Kuminga.
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I know they’re trying to move Wiggins but would you trade jk + moody for Wiggins?

Why not?
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Post#67 » by Onus » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:14 am

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AirP. wrote:Shams talking about Miami's interest in Kuminga.
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I know they’re trying to move Wiggins but would you trade jk + moody for Wiggins?

Why not?

It’s terrible value for us. We give up our lottery picks for a good player but who’s on the decline. I do feel like we should get something else maybe a few seconds or a lottery protected 1st or something.
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Re: Kuminga options if traded 

Post#68 » by vvoland » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:16 am

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AirP. wrote:Then why hasn't he played, the most athletically gifted player on the team, GS used a lottery pick (a huge asset) to get him, didn't just trade him to get rid of him. If he would play good defense which he can do and just run the offense vs call his own number to stop the offense he would have been playing a lot more.


Kerr couldn't care less about athleticism or draft status.

In his 4 years here, JK had a ton of different roles: starting 3, starting 4, starting 5, bench scorer, POA defender, DNP-CD collector. Two years ago, when wigs was out with this father's illness, JK started 30 games, next to Steph and Dray, and was instrumental in helping us avoid the play-in that year. Wigs came back for the playoffs and JK went from 30+ mins a night to DNP-CDs or single digit minutes.

In Klay's last season, JK came off the bench, started, was the main bench scorer, was a complimentary scorer to Steph, and even started at the 4. After Dray's suspension, JK played pretty well and was a key reason we finished the season 25-12 or whatever it was. Got bounced in the play-in but I wonder if JK would have seen the floor in the playoffs that season or rode the bench in favor of Saric or Santos.

This year, JK's role went from starting (Kerr quit that idea after first 3 games), to anchoring the 2nd unit, to starting, again, to coming in as the swiss-army knife off the bench. The only time he had a clearly defined role, for more than 10 games, was when Wigs was out and that was 2 years ago. Since then, he's been jerked around more than a porn star. He's taken it in stride and was ready when called upon. Not sure how everyone else is reading that to mean he's entitled.

Things were starting to click for him and I think he would have found his role fairly quickly once Jimmy came, IF he didn't destroy his ankle for 3 months. JK struggled when he came back, didn't look like himself, physically, until the Minny series, and Kerr didn't have the time or the games to try an bring JK along. I disagree with the DNP-CDs but I do get why he lost his spot in the rotation as the 1st guy off the bench.

Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Instead of ascribing motivations to a 22 year old that I've never met, or a wildly successful head coach, I would rather take the things that were actually said at face value. If you disagree, I can't blame you. I will, however, continue to disagree with the idea that JK didn't do what was asked of him and is an entitled player who just wants to call his own number. I've watched all of his minutes and while I disagree with the shot selection, i don't see a selfish player than only cares about his stats. I see a guy that thinks his talent is being underutilized and he can't reach his ceiling by riding the bench and never having a clear role defined for, not given to, him.


So, you don't think he was told to quit ignoring Curry which is what I saw and kept hearing as the reason why he couldn't get regular minutes? Playing the position, he's put on the floor isn't him just falling in line, the guy shot at the same rate Kevin Durrant shot this year, 17.9 FGA per36, THATS INSANE. But I guess keep thinking Kuminga was doing what he was asked to (seems odd he was told to just call his own number so much) do on the offensive end and it's been reported that Kerr had an issue with that, I wonder if this was ever relayed to Kuminga or do you think Kerr kept this as a secret? Putting up stats and playing your role are asked to play are not the same thing.


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This narrative only applies to the end of this season, if at all. Let me ask you a question in return, why did he lost movies to Anthony lamb for most 22-23?

Again, I am not claiming he's a perfect fit, had always done what was asked, etc. If you read my post, I said he had multiple roles, nothing really consistent, and the messaging from the coach often directly contradicted the minutes he'd get.

I also disagree with the shot selection. He does enough, in my book, to live with some of those mistakes and let him learn through them. Instead, he plays half the minutes a typical rookie gets and people wonder why his feel, development, etc is behind schedule.
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Post#69 » by ahmetmekin » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:19 am

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Onus wrote:I know they’re trying to move Wiggins but would you trade jk + moody for Wiggins?

Why not?

It’s terrible value for us. We give up our lottery picks for a good player but who’s on the decline. I do feel like we should get something else maybe a few seconds or a lottery protected 1st or something.

If they can find an SG who is a clearly better shooter than Wiggins and a positive defensive player and does not cost much more than what you proposed, sure, but I am not sure who that available guy is.
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Post#70 » by Onus » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:25 am

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ahmetmekin wrote:Why not?

It’s terrible value for us. We give up our lottery picks for a good player but who’s on the decline. I do feel like we should get something else maybe a few seconds or a lottery protected 1st or something.

If they can find an SG who is a clearly better shooter than Wiggins and a positive defensive player and does not cost much more than what you proposed, sure, but I am not sure who that available guy is.

If a guy like that existed he probably going to cost more. I wouldn’t mind it but I just can’t see lacob trading his 2 lottery picks for Wiggins.

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Post#71 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:48 am

How are you guys proposing the Warriors get Wiggins with his 28M contract?

Pretty sure they get hard capped at the first apron if the aggregate salaries in the trade.
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Post#72 » by Onus » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:09 am

whatisacenter wrote:How are you guys proposing the Warriors get Wiggins with his 28M contract?

Pretty sure they get hard capped at the first apron if the aggregate salaries in the trade.

Fanspo says it’s a legal trade with jk signing for 25m per year and moody for Wiggins.
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Post#73 » by vvoland » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:12 am

Onus wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:How are you guys proposing the Warriors get Wiggins with his 28M contract?

Pretty sure they get hard capped at the first apron if the aggregate salaries in the trade.

Fanspo says it’s a legal trade with jk signing for 25m per year and moody for Wiggins.


If we take back more money than we send out, we'll be hard capped at the first apron, I believe. We can add Santos and tjd to make the salaries work.
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Post#74 » by azwfan » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:14 am

whatisacenter wrote:How are you guys proposing the Warriors get Wiggins with his 28M contract?

Pretty sure they get hard capped at the first apron if the aggregate salaries in the trade.

Miami didnt want to give up Ware nor Jaquez for KD. They arent giving us anything good for JK.

I saw somewhere ATL had a large TPE, maybe we can get a protected 1st from them for JK (?).
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Post#75 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:20 am

whatisacenter wrote:How are you guys proposing the Warriors get Wiggins with his 28M contract?

Pretty sure they get hard capped at the first apron if the aggregate salaries in the trade.


Read a few reddit posts, with heat fans willing to send a pick with Wiggins for kuminga. :lol: He's got some fans in the Miami fan base.

Apparently the lakers want wiggins and might pay with expirings + knecht and/or picks.

And I'd wait on and a wiggins deal until December. 100% he will not be fully healthy to start the season. Then it could also be a 1 for 1 deal.
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Post#76 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:23 am

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ahmetmekin wrote:Why not?

It’s terrible value for us. We give up our lottery picks for a good player but who’s on the decline. I do feel like we should get something else maybe a few seconds or a lottery protected 1st or something.

If they can find an SG who is a clearly better shooter than Wiggins and a positive defensive player and does not cost much more than what you proposed, sure, but I am not sure who that available guy is.


So, a volume 40% 3 pt and an all nba defender. But also willing to be a 3rd or 4th option. And not paid max money? Yeah, those don't exist.
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Post#77 » by SpreeS » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:22 am

Wiggins was negative in last two seasons with us and we played way better w/o him. He was my guy, but common he is done as valuable player for 30m/y

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Wiggs off 3277min +4.9nrtg
on/off -6.9nrtg

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Wiggs on 579min -2.1nrtg
Wiggs off 1020min +5.1nrtg
on/off -7.2nrtg

And you guys want to pay 30mln for that? Two months and no one on Heat forum wants to see him next season with Heat uniform.
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Post#78 » by Onus » Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:23 pm

SpreeS wrote:Wiggins was negative in last two seasons with us and we played way better w/o him. He was my guy, but common he is done as valuable player for 30m/y

2023.10.17 - 2025.02.10

Wiggs on 3238min -2.0nrtg
Wiggs off 3277min +4.9nrtg
on/off -6.9nrtg

MIA 2025.02.10 - 2025.04.15

Wiggs on 579min -2.1nrtg
Wiggs off 1020min +5.1nrtg
on/off -7.2nrtg

And you guys want to pay 30mln for that? Two months and no one on Heat forum wants to see him next season with Heat uniform.

How much is that him having to be a 1st option on the bench and trying to carry the non Steph minutes?
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Post#79 » by Senchu » Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:43 pm

Kings interested in JK. lets get Malik Monk!
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Post#80 » by AirP. » Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:44 pm

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So, you don't think he was told to quit ignoring Curry which is what I saw and kept hearing as the reason why he couldn't get regular minutes? Playing the position, he's put on the floor isn't him just falling in line, the guy shot at the same rate Kevin Durrant shot this year, 17.9 FGA per36, THATS INSANE. But I guess keep thinking Kuminga was doing what he was asked to (seems odd he was told to just call his own number so much) do on the offensive end and it's been reported that Kerr had an issue with that, I wonder if this was ever relayed to Kuminga or do you think Kerr kept this as a secret? Putting up stats and playing your role are asked to play are not the same thing.
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This narrative only applies to the end of this season, if at all. Let me ask you a question in return, why did he lost movies to Anthony lamb for most 22-23?

Again, I am not claiming he's a perfect fit, had always done what was asked, etc. If you read my post, I said he had multiple roles, nothing really consistent, and the messaging from the coach often directly contradicted the minutes he'd get.

I also disagree with the shot selection. He does enough, in my book, to live with some of those mistakes and let him learn through them. Instead, he plays half the minutes a typical rookie gets and people wonder why his feel, development, etc is behind schedule.

Mistakes? He actively called his own number vs play to win when the team was clawing to move up in the standings.

GS was trying to move up in the standings, they made a huge move for Butler and during this run, coming off injury he just does his own thing in the offense. He played for himself vs doing what needed to be done for the betterment of the team, it was a reveal of what really is important to him. When he started missing games again with CD-DNP he could have gone and talked to the Kerr (I'd expect they did talk) to see what he did wrong and how to help the team (meaning play his role and get minutes) vs him call his own number so much. Although GS wasn't a strong contender, they had a chance this last season until Curry went out. I'm going to keep pointing to his season shooting rate of 17.9 FGA per36 is insane for Kuminga, he was getting enough shots without looking off Curry but THIS IS HOW HE WANTS TO PLAY and good luck to whatever team pays him and has to allow him to basically take over their offense. Even last year he was taking 15.9 shots per36. Curry didn't even take a rate over 14.3 fga per36 till his 4th season when he was in the MVP running.

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