The Joan Beringer Thread

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How would you feel?

After playing with Gobert, Ant with Beringer will feel like Doncic playing with Lively/Gafford

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lets start with hitting 65% of FTs

Well, there are quite a few things he can consistently do — even without being a good free-throw or 3PT shooter — that Gobert, Reid, and Randle either can’t or don’t do on a regular basis:
- Develop a reliable floater, like Hartenstein or Jokic
- Avoid biting on every pump fake, unlike Naz
- Catch passes cleanly, unlike Gobert
- Finish around the rim with control, using simple but effective post moves
- Set solid screens without fouling
- Put in consistent effort on box-outs
- Keep moving without the ball — cut, relocate, seal
- Execute DHOs (dribble hand-offs) cleanly and on time
- Keep the ball high to avoid steals ad turnovers unlike Gobert

[Domejandro]

Imagine you are Ant, and you played 3 straight playoff series where you got basically double teamed for entire games in part because of Rudy's offensive futility, and you are screaming for help.
And your GM drafts an 18 year old Rudy Gobert archetype with the 17th pick who played nothing but soccer until he was 14.
How would you feel?

Minnesota also lost in-part because their defense falls off of a cliff when Rudy Gobert sits.

Regardless, in the immediate term, I don't think that Anthony Edwards (or anyone) should expect immediate positive production from anyone being selected at #17, especially from lead ball-handlers. Makes more sense to expect internal development from folks like Rob Dillingham and Terrence Shannon Jr., or getting more ball-handling in free-agency.

[Domejandro]

Where are you seeing this agility? Not being rhetorical just a genuine question.

This video has some decent examples

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Gotcha, was hoping for like a shuttle or 40 time.

Among centers, he had the second fastest lane-agility time at 11.44 and fourth fastest shuttle run at 2.97. Not exceptionally fast, but very solid for someone with his height and wingspan. Film paints him as a very quick-twitch athlete, which is important.

[Norseman79]

If all he does is backup Rudy this year, and ends up being a rebounding, defending, floor running big who finishes lobs and dunks everything for 15 plus minutes per game, this pic is a win. Plus, there is a strong chance this kid is still growing. He very well could be a legit seven foot one without shoes by the time he's done. If he does develop and does have range out to 15 ft that is solid, that is huge moving forward.

[Tukkerwolf]

Drafting a project big man on a team on the edge of real success is odd.

Isn't it the opposite? Gobert has a couple of good years in him, if at the time of his serious decline Beringer can be brought as a plug and play replacement it would be perfect.

[shrink]

I don’t know a lot about the kid, but I like the idea behind the pick. MIN is going to be competing in the playoffs next year, plus we already have lots of young players who have mostly gotten their experience off the court. Use the pick to take a shot at the highest upside guy available, and see what your developmental staff can do. We’ll handle our needs for a PG and back up center in free agency or more likely, trade, and aim for vets.

[shrink]

I’m also really rooting for this kid because I’ll always remember the day he was drafted.

Earlier in the day, I walked my daughter down the aisle.

[Note30]

I’m also really rooting for this kid because I’ll always remember the day he was drafted.

Earlier in the day, I walked my daughter down the aisle.

Congrats

[Note30]

This video has some decent examples

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Gotcha, was hoping for like a shuttle or 40 time.

Among centers, he had the second fastest lane-agility time at 11.44 and fourth fastest shuttle run at 2.97. Not exceptionally fast, but very solid for someone with his height and wingspan. Film paints him as a very quick-twitch athlete, which is important.

Thank you

[Devilzsidewalk]

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The fact that they didn't even use half the clock and he's polar opposite of Sorber physically makes me wonder if they would've taken Beringer even if Sorber was on the board.

Also makes me think that since he's a 3-4 year project guy, they expect both Randle and Naz back. This is a post-Rudy pick, which I've been calling for awhile, but doesn't have huge on-court impact until the time comes.

Maybe so. At least Beringer worked out here and they got to see him live.
That's a little bit encouraging.
Drafting blindly on raw potential is a road to disaster.

OKC passed on Beringer and they could have stashed him in Europe for a season too which would have helped solve their roster crunch.
OKC's modus operandi is 2 way players, and Beringer offers nothing offensively right now.
Sorber is going to have to beat out Jaylin WIlliams and others just for rotation minutes, even though they regularly play 10+ players in the regular season. They must really like him.

There's talk that OKC might be planning for post-Hartenstein. He has a team option after the season. If you're on that timeline and looking to replace Hartenstein's strengths, Sorber probably makes a lot more sense for them. Beringer wouldn't be ready and doesn't give them that strength and girth to play off of Chet's length and quickness. Whereas if you're looing for a Rudy replacement 3 years from now, then Beringer makes a lot of sense.

[KGdaBom]

More Vecenie. Sounds like he's already ahead of Rudy offensively...

• Has phenomenal hands and catches almost everything in his area. Scouts who have been to Cedevita have commented on his enormous hands, and he uses them effectively in traffic.

• Offensively, Beringer projects best as that low-usage, high-efficiency rim-runner type. Good athlete who gets downhill and gets off the ground quickly, but again, the key is that he can catch everything. Has an enormous catch radius. That's what separates him from someone like Khaman Maluach or Missi. Catches consistently out of his area. Will catch the ball below his waist on rolls to the rim without stopping his momentum. Catches in traffic and can do so at full extension even in tough areas.

• Constant lob threat because of his leaping ability and length. Great in transition on the move at catching and finishing all in one fluid motion, even from awkward ball placements. Always screening or running toward the rim on offense. It's a simple game, but he maximizes it by playing hard and having a strong work rate.

• Has a sharp, natural intellect for timing his cuts to the rim. Good at sitting in that short-roll area and then eventually diving to the rim on drives when the help commits. Excellent at finding little areas to sink into in the Hunker spot Constantly trying to dunk. Of his 80 made shots this season, 37 were dunks.

• Has shown flashes of putting the ball on the deck to drive to the rim, be it in short rolls or out high in sets involving dribble-handoff rejections. Because he plays with bend, he can get some leverage on other bigs. Also, because he is so coordinated, he can stop and use his pivot foot to spin around and use up-and-unders to find open angles around the rim. These are rudimentary works in progress, but they're a starting point for adjustments hell need to incorporate versus bigger, longer defenders.

YoungGuns come off the ledge. Look at this scouting report.

Can he force the other team to guard him? Can he shoot? What does his form look like?
Players with overly large hands have a notoriously hard time shooting the basketball.
Is that going to be the case with him?

I see a lot of the same limiting factors that Rudy Gobert has offensively which hold us back.
Can he be a better player on that end?

Is he going to get enough playing time on a team that wants to contend to properly develop?
The only way I see that happening without a serious injury is if one of Naz or Randle leaves, because Finch is just going to play his 3 man big rotation into the ground again.
Is that part of the plan? Are we going to draft Rasheer Fleming tomorrow too as our developmental PF and have absolutely wicked length on our bench?

Imagine you are Ant, and you played 3 straight playoff series where you got basically double teamed for entire games in part because of Rudy's offensive futility, and you are screaming for help.
And your GM drafts an 18 year old Rudy Gobert archetype with the 17th pick who played nothing but soccer until he was 14.
How would you feel?

It's possible he's 2 years away from being 2 years away. I don't know. He's young as hell. Physically VERY GIFTED for a man his size. He's just scratching the surface of what he could be. Honestly before the draft I had not looked into him at all because I didn't want us drafting a boy name Sue, but now that I'm forced to look into him I see a lot to like, but also somebody we likely get nothing out of for a year or two. Supposedly he has GREAT HANDS and catches everything in his vicinity. In that way he's the Anti Rudy. He shoots FTs even worse than Rudy. All in all I like the package after weighing the pros and cons.

[KGdaBom]

My mind keeps playing tricks with the name and wants to say that we drafted Juan Berengeuer.

So I'm calling him Senor Smoke for now.

Real ones will get that reference.

[KGdaBom]

He needs a nickname , I don’t wanna call him Joan.

Joan of Arc, French patron saint of altering shots.

Joan of Arc it is considering how opponents will have to put maximum arc on their shots to prevent them from being swatted.

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@Sam_Vecenie
on the Wolves taking Joan Beringer:

"This is like the easiest pick in the world. Beringer is a real developmental player. He is an incredible athlete. Like an unbelievable athlete. 6-foot-11, 7-foot-5 wingspan, super long arms, great hands — catches everything in his area. Moves like a wing. Moves at a level that no other big in this class really achieves.

He's just very raw. It's gonna take some time. There is legitimately no better player for Beringer to learn from in the NBA than Rudy Gobert, because this is the exact archetype. This is exactly what it is. So I think this is a great pick from Tim Connelly. I think it makes a ton of sense, and I am a huge fan of what they've done here."

He's not skinny, but I think he could buff up a little bit. Now I have to see him with his shirt off

[KGdaBom]

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The fact that they didn't even use half the clock and he's polar opposite of Sorber physically makes me wonder if they would've taken Beringer even if Sorber was on the board.

Also makes me think that since he's a 3-4 year project guy, they expect both Randle and Naz back. This is a post-Rudy pick, which I've been calling for awhile, but doesn't have huge on-court impact until the time comes.

Maybe so. At least Beringer worked out here and they got to see him live.
That's a little bit encouraging.
Drafting blindly on raw potential is a road to disaster.

OKC passed on Beringer and they could have stashed him in Europe for a season too which would have helped solve their roster crunch.
OKC's modus operandi is 2 way players, and Beringer offers nothing offensively right now.
Sorber is going to have to beat out Jaylin WIlliams and others just for rotation minutes, even though they regularly play 10+ players in the regular season. They must really like him.

IMO there's a lot to like about Sorber, but he's very physically limited. Beringer is physically unlimited from what I hear, but raw as hell. Both are young. It will be fun to compare them in 3 years.

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Matt Lloyd said he's a longer term play. More or less admitting we don't expect to get anything out of him in the 25-26 season. I'm not a patient person by nature, but with Joan of Arc I'll have to be. I'm pushing the Joan of Arc nickname now.

[_AIJ_]

I’m also really rooting for this kid because I’ll always remember the day he was drafted.

Earlier in the day, I walked my daughter down the aisle.

So, you're not Dane Moore, then. Congrats!

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Notice the pronunciation Joan Bear in jay.

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I have never seen a young 18yo bigman doing this euro step:

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I also have seen him doing low gather finish, which is crazy...