2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

[165bows]

I'd be shocked if Tillman isn't moved today.

I'd be surprised if he is moved right away. He makes $2.5M. The vet min you replace him with will make $2.3M. Someone is going to want something to use a roster spot on him and that's just a poor use of resources to save practically nothing. We'll have 14 players once we sign our pick but Davison is fully non guaranteed so can create one more. Never say never, but can't see us spending even some random 2031 top 55 protected 2nd round pick swap right now for something so trivial when there's serious stuff still to be done.

I keep forgetting he exists but he's one of two front court guys on the main roster so besides the minimal savings I'd expect they keep him for awhile (at least until other moves are made) since it's clear Brad is going to get experienced guys to play next year and not field a roster of noobs.

On the draft I forgot about Broome feels like between the front court need, Brad's multiple prior attempts to get a 4/5 combo guy, and the Alabama history, not to mention Broome's experience he feels like the fit to me.

[165bows]

Trade Tillman and Walsh for 2nd rounders that will not convey and that's 4.7m in cap space.

Trade Sam for a future pick.

That's 10m.

So 4.5m + 4.7m + 10m = 19.2m

There you go.

That's not how it's works they still need to spend on the roster spot. They save some more if they go with undrafted rookies but if they use those sposts on vet min guys it's like <1M for Tillman/Walsh combined.

Undrafted rookies or second round scale guys maybe another 1M+ but it's a fraction of what you are estimating.

4.5m + 2.5m + 10m = 17m

1st priority is to sign Luke.

Al is just secondary.

If not enough for Al then time to move on from Al.

You are not accounting for roster spots even w Sam Hauser.

[Fierce1]

Agree with Broome.

Broome gives the Cs that energy guy the Cs were lacking this season.

[Fierce1]

That's not how it's works they still need to spend on the roster spot. They save some more if they go with undrafted rookies but if they use those sposts on vet min guys it's like <1M for Tillman/Walsh combined.

Undrafted rookies or second round scale guys maybe another 1M+ but it's a fraction of what you are estimating.

4.5m + 2.5m + 10m = 17m

1st priority is to sign Luke.

Al is just secondary.

If not enough for Al then time to move on from Al.

You are not accounting for roster spots even w Sam Hauser.

Moves can be made until Feb. 2026.

Tweak it later if need be.

[Hal14]

Agree with Broome.

Broome gives the Cs that energy guy the Cs were lacking this season.

Brad specifically mentioned toughness when talking about the Hugo pick.

Broome has tons of that..wouldn't be surprised if we took him at 32.

[darylbe]

Chance to trade for one of Charlottes, then take penda and Fleming, and see if Al takes vet min and plays 48 minutes a game?

[Fierce1]

Chance to trade for one of Charlottes, then take penda and Fleming, and see if Al takes vet min and plays 48 minutes a game?

Not totally believing Brad about keeping Al.

If the Cs won't have cap space, Brad will keep Luke and let Al go.

[Larry_Russell]

Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.

You are missing Simons and Niang. If they stay - this is at least a play in team in the east

With tatum that team is in the play in range, without...miss playoffs entirely.

[phincsfan]

Fleming falling out of the 1st is telling IMO. I think he's the only prospect left that most mocks had him going in the 1st. Something spooked lots of GM's.

[themoneyteam2]

Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.

You are missing Simons and Niang. If they stay - this is at least a play in team in the east

With tatum that team is in the play in range, without...miss playoffs entirely.

With Tatum that's a top 3 team in the East. Without, they're looking at likely the 7 seed.

And contrary to your belief, the offseason isn't yet over. Shocking, I know...

[brackdan70]

I'd be shocked if Tillman isn't moved today.

I'd be surprised if he is moved right away. He makes $2.5M. The vet min you replace him with will make $2.3M. Someone is going to want something to use a roster spot on him and that's just a poor use of resources to save practically nothing. We'll have 14 players once we sign our pick but Davison is fully non guaranteed so can create one more. Never say never, but can't see us spending even some random 2031 top 55 protected 2nd round pick swap right now for something so trivial when there's serious stuff still to be done.

I keep forgetting he exists but he's one of two front court guys on the main roster so besides the minimal savings I'd expect they keep him for awhile (at least until other moves are made) since it's clear Brad is going to get experienced guys to play next year and not field a roster of noobs.

On the draft I forgot about Broome feels like between the front court need, Brad's multiple prior attempts to get a 4/5 combo guy, and the Alabama history, not to mention Broome's experience he feels like the fit to me.

He showed some promise in 23/24. What happened last year. He hardly played. I thought he was Horford light. I guess some nagging injury? Maybe he will be able to contribute?

[themoneyteam2]

Fleming falling out of the 1st is telling IMO. I think he's the only prospect left that most mocks had him going in the 1st. Something spooked lots of GM's.

He's not that good? And has zero defensive awareness. Fans tend to fall in love with prospects and see a 6-8 athletic forward who appears to have a nice shooting form and based on the 3 min highlight video are obsessed lol.

[phincsfan]

I'd be surprised if he is moved right away. He makes $2.5M. The vet min you replace him with will make $2.3M. Someone is going to want something to use a roster spot on him and that's just a poor use of resources to save practically nothing. We'll have 14 players once we sign our pick but Davison is fully non guaranteed so can create one more. Never say never, but can't see us spending even some random 2031 top 55 protected 2nd round pick swap right now for something so trivial when there's serious stuff still to be done.

I keep forgetting he exists but he's one of two front court guys on the main roster so besides the minimal savings I'd expect they keep him for awhile (at least until other moves are made) since it's clear Brad is going to get experienced guys to play next year and not field a roster of noobs.

On the draft I forgot about Broome feels like between the front court need, Brad's multiple prior attempts to get a 4/5 combo guy, and the Alabama history, not to mention Broome's experience he feels like the fit to me.

He showed some promise in 23/24. What happened last year. He hardly played. I thought he was Horford light. I guess some nagging injury? Maybe he will be able to contribute?

My guess is his knee or knees are shot. Had the surgery prior to the season and couldn't get on the court. He lucked out with that 2 year deal the C's gave him.

[Fierce1]

This is starting to feel like June 2019.

Kyrie and Al left after the Cs were eliminated by the Bucks in the 2nd rnd.

Nobody picked the Cs to be in the ECF after Kyrie and Al left.

But in 2020, the Cs were back in the ECF, led by the Jays.

[Larry_Russell]

Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.

Correct me if I’m wrong but off-season just started

Are they going to sign someone? Nope
Tradeable assets that will help team more then weaken it? Nope (hauser out for nothing)
Young guys just waiting for opportunity to grow? Maybe Baylor?
High impact right away draft picks? Nope
Al horford becoming 5 years younger? Nope
Kornet becoming jokic? Noooooope

Seriously, what options are there here?
Flip simoms for a starting calibre frontcourt?
Niang becomes a stud player?

No money
No future asset of value

Team is now stuck

[brackdan70]

Fleming falling out of the 1st is telling IMO. I think he's the only prospect left that most mocks had him going in the 1st. Something spooked lots of GM's.

Yeah it’s interesting. Penda also Mocked high but more variance as some had him around 30-35.
Raynaud as well.
I think Brooklyn made some “reaches” that sort of shook things up. Also Yang and YKN going in the first.

[Larry_Russell]

Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.

Correct me if I’m wrong but off-season just started

And he left out their other 20 PPG scorer Simons. This board is a funny place

I forgot simons.

But he isnt moving the needle. Come on now.

But yeah, simoms is paid like white.

[Fierce1]

I can't believe that name, Penda!

It's like spelling Panda wrong.

[cl2117]

Agree with Broome.

Broome gives the Cs that energy guy the Cs were lacking this season.

Brad specifically mentioned toughness when talking about the Hugo pick.

Broome has tons of that..wouldn't be surprised if we took him at 32.

Broome just feels like he doesn't have a ton of upside to me though. He's tough, he's experienced, he'll do the dirty work but I struggle to see him top out as more than just a roleplayer at the next level. That still has a ton of value but at #32 I hope we take a bigger swing on upside.

[Larry_Russell]

You are missing Simons and Niang. If they stay - this is at least a play in team in the east

With tatum that team is in the play in range, without...miss playoffs entirely.

With Tatum that's a top 3 team in the East. Without, they're looking at likely the 7 seed.

And contrary to your belief, the offseason isn't yet over. Shocking, I know...

That is not a top 3 team. Take off the homer glasses.

Jesus.