Mark Williams thread

[Saberestar]

We got our starting C.

I was mad in the last deadline when I saw that the Lakers got him because he is the perfect rim runner who finishes in traffic and a great rebounder/rim protector.

Gladly the trade was canceled and the Lakers couldn't make **** without any good C on their roster.

Now Mark Williams is a Sun and for a much cheaper price. Yeah, we need to keep an eye in his long-term health but we have this full year to analyze that. He played very well after that physical exam.

An interesting stat:

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A solid trade if healthy. I think Suns can extend him, and can likely get him on a discount considering his health issues. Maybe somewhere in the $15-18 million range.

I also was angry that the Lakers were basically getting him for free, and was happy the trade was vetoed. I definitely think Lakers would have beaten the Wolves if they had Mark Williams at center.

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Thread from the General Board about Mark Willaims after trade got nixed from the Lakers.

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[SunsRback4Good]

Nice

[sashaturiaf]

We got a BEAST down low to throw the ball to!

[Fo-Real]

We got a BEAST down low to throw the ball to!

Any back to the basket game?

[Saberestar]

Watch on YouTube

[sunsbg]

I feel him and Brad will build a great chemistry .. off the court.

[Fo-Real]

Watch on YouTube

He looks huge! Maybe Maluach falling was a suprise and we drafted him to trade him, but that can't technically happen til the KD trade goes through? Idk!!

[Frank Lee]

A solid trade if healthy. I think Suns can extend him, and can likely get him on a discount considering his health issues. Maybe somewhere in the $15-18 million range.

I also was angry that the Lakers were basically getting him for free, and was happy the trade was vetoed. I definitely think Lakers would have beaten the Wolves if they had Mark Williams at center.

So then we used #10 on a back up C ?

Something doesn’t makes sense.

[starbosa10]

A solid trade if healthy. I think Suns can extend him, and can likely get him on a discount considering his health issues. Maybe somewhere in the $15-18 million range.

I also was angry that the Lakers were basically getting him for free, and was happy the trade was vetoed. I definitely think Lakers would have beaten the Wolves if they had Mark Williams at center.

So then we used #10 on a back up C ?

Something doesn’t makes sense.

I mean Maluach is only 18

[Saberestar]

A solid trade if healthy. I think Suns can extend him, and can likely get him on a discount considering his health issues. Maybe somewhere in the $15-18 million range.

I also was angry that the Lakers were basically getting him for free, and was happy the trade was vetoed. I definitely think Lakers would have beaten the Wolves if they had Mark Williams at center.

So then we used #10 on a back up C ?

Something doesn’t makes sense.

We need at least two good Cs on any roster. Mark Williams is ready and can play 30 mpg but you are gonna need 15-20 mpg from your backup C. Injuries are a factor too.

Maluach is not even 19 years old so he will be perfect on that smaller role in his first season in the league.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If the Suns are able to trade Richards for some type of positive value then I'll absolutely love the Williams trade.

[BobbieL]

If the Suns are able to trade Richards for some type of positive value then I'll absolutely love the Williams trade.

I would think they have a trade in mind because why wouldn't they have just traded Richards back for Williams as for the Hornets - it was the two picks

That said -- if healthy, he is a very good pick up. Granted, anybody can hurt

Good addition with Brooks around Booker. The model is there for how to build around Booker. Brooks and Williams -- like both moves as players on the roster

[dremill24]

If the Suns are able to trade Richards for some type of positive value then I'll absolutely love the Williams trade.

I would imagine you could get a 2nd for him.

We're also talking about him being in the center room with an 18yo rookie who is unlikely to be better than "good for a rookie" (which is almost always NOT very good compared to vets) in his first year and another guy who has never played 50 games in a season. Having an "extra" big or two might be necessary and not so redundant. It might be better to have a guy on the minimum in that role, but who knows.

[sunskerr]

I do have him in our dynasty league. If I'm being honest I'm not the highest on him. There are two issues - his health and defense. Everyone knows the Lakers trade got nixed but Mark took a big step back last year on defense and he already was never great on that end.

Chalk it up to being out for a whole year, but those are my long term red flags.

Now the positives is that he knows how to finish offensively and he's got a few moves that are really good he can use so he's not just limited to only finishing after a pass (although that is his main way of scoring obviously). He rebounds well.

Also if we're being optimistic, well, he's only 23. There are some guys who are hitting 24/25/26 now and taking some decent leaps. As long as he's not completely hopeless defensively there's going to be potential for improvement going forward.

Now do I like the acquisition? Sure why not? Mark Williams probably has a much better chance at being a good player than whomever gets drafted with those weak picks.

The Hornets did it (I assume) so they -while they are tanking- didn't have to pay him when he is a long term risk and could recoup some value with those picks. Fair play to them and we will see if Mark Williams is worth a nice contract.

Tell you what though, we're younger, bigger, and more athletic now than we were last year. Probably, almost certainly worse. But as a rule of thumb even if you have no picks, from a team building perspective I usually think it's better to be a young bad team than an old bad team, and we were an old bad team last year.

[SkyBill40]

Can't say I'm a fan of this pick up even though he's a Kentucky guy. He's just too injury prone and isn't going to do much better here. He's a nice and decent stop-gap player for us, but we need to be prepared for long stints on the IL and having others taking his minutes.

Hopefully I'm wrong here. Boy do I ever.

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[RaisingArizona]

Can't say I'm a fan of this pick up even though he's a Kentucky guy. He's just too injury prone and isn't going to do much better here. He's a nice and decent stop-gap player for us, but we need to be prepared for long stints on the IL and having others taking his minutes.

Hopefully I'm wrong here. Boy do I ever.

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Duke?

[SkyBill40]

Can't say I'm a fan of this pick up even though he's a Kentucky guy. He's just too injury prone and isn't going to do much better here. He's a nice and decent stop-gap player for us, but we need to be prepared for long stints on the IL and having others taking his minutes.

Hopefully I'm wrong here. Boy do I ever.

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Duke?

Swore he was Kentucky. Oh well. LOL

Outside of the school, everything else I stated stands. Red flags all around.

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[Fo-Real]

Apparently he and the rook know eachother.