With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles!

[LoveMyRaps]

Holliger made this comment. Vecenie had him as 8th on his board, Hollinger 6.

Hollinger’s analysis: This pick may surprise some people, but I had Murray-Boyles as the No. 6 prospect on my board. I think he’s the best defender in the draft, and his offensive game is coming along enough to be projectible as a quality role player at worse. The lefty needs to lose some weight to move from a college center to a pro forward and has to develop his right hand and his 3-point shot, but both his feet and feel are elite.

Where did Chad Ford have him?

[Airmiess]

I like that hes a forward and efficient.

[HumbleRen]

6’8 Franz Wagner on offence. Draymond Lite on defence.

Let’s dream big.

[Kevin Willis]

His playstyle has some Julius Randle-ish and of course Draymond vibes, the more I watch him play.

Charles Barkley lite on offense and Draymond on defense is the ceiling.

Definitely Draymond vibes...

Watch on YouTube

[OakleyDokely]

The current MVP has two last names.

CBM has two last names.

Hmmmm.

[God Squad]

The CMB pick will either make the analytic guys look like geniuses for having him top 5, or wild if the projection concerns turn to be true.

I don't mean this board is particular. Just saying CMB really does have a lot of fans in NBA/draft circles.

[bon]

There's probably too much concern over the fit for him honestly. The guy played with some of the worst spacing imaginable and still led his conference in efficiency. This roster is already an immediate upgrade in spacing for him

The counter to this is that he’s no longer going up against defenders from Radford. We were the 3rd lowest volume 3pt shooting team last year (and the 8th worst in terms of 3pt%).

Barnes/Poeltl/Mogbo/CMB is the worst 4/5 shooting roster in the league. Spacing is going to be an issue.

We were also 25th in 2P% though. Of course we could use more shooting but grabbing an elite finisher was arguably a bigger need. More games played from Gradey, Walter, IQ, Battle and the Ingram addition will already boost our 3pt volume/effciency from last season

[NinjaBro]

David Thorpe was on the Truhoop podcast and said he would've taken Cedric Coward 2nd overall after Flagg

[ConSarnit]

I think outside of guys who base their draft projections out of advanced stay models CMB is not a guy you pick in our spot. The upside to drafting a defensive stopper is not there.

The offensive upside of a below-the-rim finishing, undersized big, is the main issues. It is almost impossible to find a comparable player or role type to CMB in the NBA as a result. Plays a C type of game but is too small.

Reality for him is that he will need to adjust to the size and speed of defense in the NBA and he won't score as much. He will feed off rebounds/putbacks and really be on the floor for defense. His role is a defensive stopper.

That is perfect for a team like Houston or OKC that is loaded with talent and already has a winning/contending team. They can add specialists.

Toronto's FO acts like it is already a playoff team with a move like this. Upside guys were around like Essengue, Maluach, Bryant, and Coward and we passed. Any of those players might have become star players because they are young and don't have a lot of barriers.

Now, we are in a position where if CMB doesn't progress with his shooting and/or struggles with his finishing we have a 9 PPG 7 REB bench level PF. The defense is great but I don't know if he has a ton of value in future trades.

We basically drafted a better Mogbo and this was our last chance at a high first pick. You just hope he has all-NBA level defense.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A big problem is CMB’s average outcome puts us in a spot where he can’t play with our franchise player (Barnes) if we want to have any semblance of a good offense. Even his “good” outcome (reaching Siakam level shooting) and the fit doesn’t really work (as we’ve seen). Even the Draymond upside has issues. Draymond couldn’t really play small ball C full-time because of the wear and tear. No undersized player has really ever been able to do it effectively full-time.

If we are committed to Barnes then for this to work we pretty much need a 95% outcome from CMB and those odds aren’t great. You can say “BPA” but BPA at 9 is different than at 2. If you rate CMB 86/100 and someone else 84/100 then yeah, you’ve taken the best player but is that 2/100 difference worth it when the fit with your franchise player is bad? It’s not as simple as BPA imo. Some aspect of fit should be considered if we are committed to Barnes.

[Scase]

i dunno, sounds like is release is pretty good but his problem is his setup? time will tell but im optimistic tbh.

Have the last 30 "athletic guys that can't shoot, that we can totally teach how to shoot" that didn't pan out not dampen your optimism?

lol i get it you dont like the pick, i do. im sure we both hope im right, time will tell. but theres alot to like.

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

[OakleyDokely]

I keep seeing this a lot, but CMB is not a low upside pick.

[Spates]

Caruso was guarding jokic in the playoffs....

[onions17]

6’8 Franz Wagner on offence. Draymond Lite on defence.

Let’s dream big.

I was thinking Julius Randle with all-nba defense

[tms]

Never wanted Maluach (this year’s Drummond?) but still feel comforted by how they had a chance to pick him and chose not to. Clearly had reasons and I gotta trust them. There’s nothing we know about these players they’ve been scouting all year that they don’t. Poeltl’s backup? Oh nooo! I bet they’re way ahead of us on this lol

I do wonder why they ate up the full five minutes, tho. Were they fielding offers? Arguing? Taking a piss? Cuz it didn’t seem like they were calling CMB. I’m sure we’ll find out eventually

[God Squad]

I think outside of guys who base their draft projections out of advanced stay models CMB is not a guy you pick in our spot. The upside to drafting a defensive stopper is not there.

The offensive upside of a below-the-rim finishing, undersized big, is the main issues. It is almost impossible to find a comparable player or role type to CMB in the NBA as a result. Plays a C type of game but is too small.

Reality for him is that he will need to adjust to the size and speed of defense in the NBA and he won't score as much. He will feed off rebounds/putbacks and really be on the floor for defense. His role is a defensive stopper.

That is perfect for a team like Houston or OKC that is loaded with talent and already has a winning/contending team. They can add specialists.

Toronto's FO acts like it is already a playoff team with a move like this. Upside guys were around like Essengue, Maluach, Bryant, and Coward and we passed. Any of those players might have become star players because they are young and don't have a lot of barriers.

Now, we are in a position where if CMB doesn't progress with his shooting and/or struggles with his finishing we have a 9 PPG 7 REB bench level PF. The defense is great but I don't know if he has a ton of value in future trades.

We basically drafted a better Mogbo and this was our last chance at a high first pick. You just hope he has all-NBA level defense.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A big problem is CMB’s average outcome puts us in a spot where he can’t play with our franchise player (Barnes) if we want to have any semblance of a good offense. Even his “good” outcome (reaching Siakam level shooting) and the fit doesn’t really work (as we’ve seen). Even the Draymond upside has issues. Draymond couldn’t really play small ball C full-time because of the wear and tear. No undersized player has really ever been able to do it effectively full-time.

If we are committed to Barnes then for this to work we pretty much need a 95% outcome from CMB and those odds aren’t great. You can say “BPA” but BPA at 9 is different than at 2. If you rate CMB 86/100 and someone else 84/100 then yeah, you’ve taken the best player but is that 2/100 difference worth it when the fit with your franchise player is bad? It’s not as simple as BPA imo. Some aspect of fit should be considered if we are committed to Barnes.

If CMB is the savant many think he is, and he develops a jumper, you move on from Scottie B. But I honestly think they can play together and project to be a menace on defense.

[ConSarnit]

There's probably too much concern over the fit for him honestly. The guy played with some of the worst spacing imaginable and still led his conference in efficiency. This roster is already an immediate upgrade in spacing for him

The counter to this is that he’s no longer going up against defenders from Radford. We were the 3rd lowest volume 3pt shooting team last year (and the 8th worst in terms of 3pt%).

Barnes/Poeltl/Mogbo/CMB is the worst 4/5 shooting roster in the league. Spacing is going to be an issue.

We were also 25th in 2P% though. Of course we could use more shooting but grabbing an elite finisher was arguably a bigger need. More games played from Gradey, Walter, IQ, Battle and the Ingram addition will already boost our 3pt volume/effciency from last season

I would question how many rim opportunities CMB is going to get if 100% of his minutes are tied to one of Poeltl/Barnes/Mogbo. Getting to the rim becomes a lot harder when there are always 2 zero spacing bigs on the floor. It should work ok-ish with Poeltl as a screener but Barnes is no screener whatsoever. Spacing is going to be an issue for everyone.

[Parataxis]

Have the last 30 "athletic guys that can't shoot, that we can totally teach how to shoot" that didn't pan out not dampen your optimism?

lol i get it you dont like the pick, i do. im sure we both hope im right, time will tell. but theres alot to like.

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

Outside of the very top picks, isn't every draft selection at least somewhat a 'we can fix him' pick? They're still kids with a lot to learn and room to grow. None of them are finished products that don't have holes.

[ConSarnit]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A big problem is CMB’s average outcome puts us in a spot where he can’t play with our franchise player (Barnes) if we want to have any semblance of a good offense. Even his “good” outcome (reaching Siakam level shooting) and the fit doesn’t really work (as we’ve seen). Even the Draymond upside has issues. Draymond couldn’t really play small ball C full-time because of the wear and tear. No undersized player has really ever been able to do it effectively full-time.

If we are committed to Barnes then for this to work we pretty much need a 95% outcome from CMB and those odds aren’t great. You can say “BPA” but BPA at 9 is different than at 2. If you rate CMB 86/100 and someone else 84/100 then yeah, you’ve taken the best player but is that 2/100 difference worth it when the fit with your franchise player is bad? It’s not as simple as BPA imo. Some aspect of fit should be considered if we are committed to Barnes.

If CMB is the savant many think he is, and he develops a jumper, you move on from Scottie B. But I honestly think they can play together and project to be a menace on defense.

CMB has worse college shooting numbers than Barnes and we’ve all seen how that turned out. Maybe he gets there but the road is long. We saw his shooting drills at the combine and it looked really bad.

[God Squad]

A big problem is CMB’s average outcome puts us in a spot where he can’t play with our franchise player (Barnes) if we want to have any semblance of a good offense. Even his “good” outcome (reaching Siakam level shooting) and the fit doesn’t really work (as we’ve seen). Even the Draymond upside has issues. Draymond couldn’t really play small ball C full-time because of the wear and tear. No undersized player has really ever been able to do it effectively full-time.

If we are committed to Barnes then for this to work we pretty much need a 95% outcome from CMB and those odds aren’t great. You can say “BPA” but BPA at 9 is different than at 2. If you rate CMB 86/100 and someone else 84/100 then yeah, you’ve taken the best player but is that 2/100 difference worth it when the fit with your franchise player is bad? It’s not as simple as BPA imo. Some aspect of fit should be considered if we are committed to Barnes.

If CMB is the savant many think he is, and he develops a jumper, you move on from Scottie B. But I honestly think they can play together and project to be a menace on defense.

CMB has worse college shooting numbers than Barnes and we’ve all seen how that turned out. Maybe he gets there but the road is long. We saw his shooting drills at the combine and it looked really bad.

When you say shooting, are you only looking at 3pt percentage? CMB is decent from mid-range and a soft touch in the paint. I didn't even want CMB, but it's disingenious to act like his scoring is a zero, and he can't shoot at all. (when he's okay at mid range)

He's dogchit from 3 though lol.

[rapsincr]

Have the last 30 "athletic guys that can't shoot, that we can totally teach how to shoot" that didn't pan out not dampen your optimism?

lol i get it you dont like the pick, i do. im sure we both hope im right, time will tell. but theres alot to like.

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

i get it really, i think they looked at guys in the range(noa, bryant, maluach) and decided they have a better chance fixing his shot than fixing the the weaknesses of the other guys in his range, which are just as glaring. and i think they liked what he actually already does (extremely)well already, more.