With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles!

[Loso04]

Just like them?

https://images.app.goo.gl/3EUa6pZDvSwfhD8P6

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A big problem is CMB’s average outcome puts us in a spot where he can’t play with our franchise player (Barnes) if we want to have any semblance of a good offense. Even his “good” outcome (reaching Siakam level shooting) and the fit doesn’t really work (as we’ve seen). Even the Draymond upside has issues. Draymond couldn’t really play small ball C full-time because of the wear and tear. No undersized player has really ever been able to do it effectively full-time.

If we are committed to Barnes then for this to work we pretty much need a 95% outcome from CMB and those odds aren’t great. You can say “BPA” but BPA at 9 is different than at 2. If you rate CMB 86/100 and someone else 84/100 then yeah, you’ve taken the best player but is that 2/100 difference worth it when the fit with your franchise player is bad? It’s not as simple as BPA imo. Some aspect of fit should be considered if we are committed to Barnes.

If CMB is the savant many think he is, and he develops a jumper, you move on from Scottie B. But I honestly think they can play together and project to be a menace on defense.

[douggood]

http://www.youtube.com/live/58JG1QkiQSQ?t=4529s

[RapsFanInOhio]

6’8 Franz Wagner on offence. Draymond Lite on defence.

Let’s dream big.

I was thinking Julius Randle with all-nba defense

That’s a pretty good player.

[ConSarnit]

lol i get it you dont like the pick, i do. im sure we both hope im right, time will tell. but theres alot to like.

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

Outside of the very top picks, isn't every draft selection at least somewhat a 'we can fix him' pick? They're still kids with a lot to learn and room to grow. None of them are finished products that don't have holes.

But it’s not just fixing CMB for the sake of fixing CMB. If we don’t fix him what happens to Barnes? A non-shooting CMB can probably work. A non-shooting CMB doesn’t work with Barnes (our franchise player). If we are committed to Barnes then any average (or below) outcome for CMB doesn’t work on this team.

[Brinbe]

you never know with players. ryan dunn made a shooting leap in his first year.

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[grant101]

Nailed it. At his best, he's going to be a great role player, which is fine for a 9th pick, but given our circumstances and lacking a true go-to player, we needed to swing for the fences. I'm also failing to see a long term fit on offence between CMB, Scottie, Jak, and Ingram, that is a spacing nightmare.

How do you know at his best he's going to be a great role player? How can we even make that assessment of a 20 year old at this point.

So bizarre.

What about him makes you think he has the makings of being more than a great role player? Is it really bizarre if vast majority of folks think he has the makings of a role player and he himself alludes to being one in most of his interviews?

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I think this is a bit of reach. He's acknowledging he'll have to earn his way to minutes and is open to playing a role if it helps the team win. This is a good thing. He has more on-ball juice than most of the options at 9 and dominated some really good players in college's toughest conference last year as his team's primary. Who exactly would you suggest is a swing for the fence given the options at 9??

[MoneyBall]

Scottie has CMB beat from a physical profile standpoint, but CMB has Scottie beat in advanced metrics.

At the very least, he'll be a serviceable rotation player. His floor seems higher than a lot of other options at 9.

[God Squad]

Just like them?

https://images.app.goo.gl/3EUa6pZDvSwfhD8P6

A big problem is CMB’s average outcome puts us in a spot where he can’t play with our franchise player (Barnes) if we want to have any semblance of a good offense. Even his “good” outcome (reaching Siakam level shooting) and the fit doesn’t really work (as we’ve seen). Even the Draymond upside has issues. Draymond couldn’t really play small ball C full-time because of the wear and tear. No undersized player has really ever been able to do it effectively full-time.

If we are committed to Barnes then for this to work we pretty much need a 95% outcome from CMB and those odds aren’t great. You can say “BPA” but BPA at 9 is different than at 2. If you rate CMB 86/100 and someone else 84/100 then yeah, you’ve taken the best player but is that 2/100 difference worth it when the fit with your franchise player is bad? It’s not as simple as BPA imo. Some aspect of fit should be considered if we are committed to Barnes.

If CMB is the savant many think he is, and he develops a jumper, you move on from Scottie B. But I honestly think they can play together and project to be a menace on defense.

lol, why not. I'm imagining CMB guarding the best 3s, with Barnes roaming the paint at 4. We've seen Barnes is very vocal when dictating actions on defense, CMB is the same, and sees the plays developing.

The spacing will be an issue, but in theory, we have "shooters"; they just need to hit shots.

[Scase]

lol i get it you dont like the pick, i do. im sure we both hope im right, time will tell. but theres alot to like.

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

Outside of the very top picks, isn't every draft selection at least somewhat a 'we can fix him' pick? They're still kids with a lot to learn and room to grow. None of them are finished products that don't have holes.

lol i get it you dont like the pick, i do. im sure we both hope im right, time will tell. but theres alot to like.

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

i get it really, i think they looked at guys in the range(noa, bryant, maluach) and decided they have a better chance fixing his shot than fixing the the weaknesses of the other guys in his range, which are just as glaring. and i think they liked what he actually already does (extremely)well already, more.

I get what you are both saying, and the logic is sound, but it's the multiple cases of drafting, signing, trading for athletic guys who can't shoot worth a damn and thinking we can fix that. I'm fine with drafting a guy at 9th that has obvious shortcomings, but can we get more of the guys who can actually shoot and work on the other stuff? Gradey was a good start, lets keep that up.

[causal_fan]

My main concern is that CMB played bullyball in college and I don't know if that is going to work for him in the NBA. I would have preferred a more upside pick as I think the Raptors are lacking in talent.

[Duffman100]

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

Outside of the very top picks, isn't every draft selection at least somewhat a 'we can fix him' pick? They're still kids with a lot to learn and room to grow. None of them are finished products that don't have holes.

Honestly, I'm actually in the middle, I generally trust our FOs drafting ability, but I've also seen the constant "we can fix him" failures. I also hope you are right, but the FO has done a lot the last few years to make that more of a blind optimism stance than anything.

i get it really, i think they looked at guys in the range(noa, bryant, maluach) and decided they have a better chance fixing his shot than fixing the the weaknesses of the other guys in his range, which are just as glaring. and i think they liked what he actually already does (extremely)well already, more.

I get what you are both saying, and the logic is sound, but it's the multiple cases of drafting, signing, trading for athletic guys who can't shoot worth a damn and thinking we can fix that. I'm fine with drafting a guy at 9th that has obvious shortcomings, but can we get more of the guys who can actually shoot and work on the other stuff? Gradey was a good start, lets keep that up.

And Gradey has been a net-negative since joining the the team. I liked going after an offense focused player - but both sides can bite you.

[kingr]

Don't know much about this guy... So on offense, is he like Zion without athleticism and half the strength? Hi highlight reels are layups and low end dunks?

[OakleyDokely]

USG Rate vs TS%:

Lottery Picks:
Flagg: 30.8 USG / .593 TS
Harper: 29.0 USG / .587 TS
Edgecombe: 24.1 USG / .552 TS
Knueppel: 21.4 USG / .642 TS
Bailey: 27.5 USG / .536 TS
Johnson: 29.1 USG / .557 TS
Fears: 31.5 USG / .562 TS
Demin: 24.5 USG / .509 TS
CMB: 26.7 USG / .630 TS
Maluach: 16.1 USG / .736 TS
Coward: 22.1 USG / .700 TS
Essengue: 19.4 USG / .613 TS
Queen: 26.6 USG / .591 TS
Bryant: 16.4 USG / .593 TS

[HoopAndTheHarm]

I wasn't happy about last night. But now that I've had some time, done some additional research, and had a night of sleep to think on it...

Nope. Still prefer Maluach.

This is not a knock on CMB. He's a nice kid with some potential and relies on his energy. But his strengths allowed him to succeed against undersized, less athletic college competition. They translate to the NBA as role/bench player type skills, provided he can handle bigger, more athletic opposition. A number 9 pick should offer a higher floor than that. I just don't see his fit here and I think Maluach would have been a better fit and will be a more impactful player in the long run.

[deeps6x]

Woke up this morning still pissed off at his reaction after getting drafted.wtf was that? Had a worse reaction than Alonzo Mourning finding out he was coming to the raptors smh.

CMB wasn't even on my top 10, so this stings a lot. Not happy one bit.

People are saying the reaction was based on a relief of finally getting drafted vs going to a cold city like Toronto.

We will never know

Yes we do know. You could clearly see him mouthing 'What the' before his head lifted up and he said 'F***'. He said his reaction was clearly WTF, over and over and over again in his TSN interview right afterwards. He was shocked he went this high.

His girlfriend did seem disappointed, but she was probably hoping to go to Phoenix.

BTW, I used to live in Scottsdale and PV. The place is only livable 6 months of the year. Some people love the heat though...

[Bruin]

[sidsid]

There's probably too much concern over the fit for him honestly. The guy played with some of the worst spacing imaginable and still led his conference in efficiency. This roster is already an immediate upgrade in spacing for him

The counter to this is that he’s no longer going up against defenders from Radford. We were the 3rd lowest volume 3pt shooting team last year (and the 8th worst in terms of 3pt%).

Barnes/Poeltl/Mogbo/CMB is the worst 4/5 shooting roster in the league. Spacing is going to be an issue.

I love the guys who want to be Aaron Gordons and Draymonds, but absent some huge 3pt improvements, there are no lineups where they work with a pure finisher in Jak. He didn't have a fit/future on this team before the draft, he has even less of one now if you're banking on development with the small ball archetypes.

His value is in a trade for assets and you replace some spot minutes with some big spacing stiff.

You can see how a mobile, switchable D can work with OKC when IHart isn't on the floor. That's what you're building.

[Bruin]

Based on the Raptors comment on that post, I’m assuming he’s gonna be #12

[OakleyDokely]

Over the last 4 drafts with their 1st rounders, the Raps have acquired a good mix of players. There's some overlap, but overall Scottie, CMB, Walter, Dick all bring different skills/elements to the court. I like that all of them are dogs, they play hard and there's positional flexibility with all of them.

[TGM]

I think what hurt Maluach for the Raps in the end was his hands / lack of feel. Raps like long, but they want their longs to have some playmaking skills and/or feel for the game. Guys like Barnes, Siakam, OG all had it, CMB has it, but Maluach was kinda clunky in this respect.

They probably also believed that CMB was more matchup proof because he has more flexibility from positional standpoint, whereas Maluach is locked into the 5 spot and could be played off the court in certain lineups.

To be honest, outside of proven bigs that have put up solid stats as freshman's already in college. A lot of mid-to- late lottery bigs have been busts over the years. Esepcially the ones that were putting up mediocre stats and selling the story they will improve. Guys like Wiseman, Bamba, Cauley-Stein. Great physique and size, but putting up micro numbers in college. This is different from guys like Ware, Duren, Mark Williams who were putting up solid numbers already.

So the bust potential I think is quite high, especially how the combine results were for KM.