NBA Trade Thread #12

[Muzbar]

Isaac +25 for Coby?

Why do you want to get stuck with a crappy contract with a player that is always hurt.

They don't, that's why they're trying to trade them to Chicago.

[Dan Z]

How does Boston keep getting these great deals?? Anfernee Simons and 2 seconds for Jrue Holiday? And the deal saves them $40 mill in luxury tax payments next year. Combined with the Porzingas trade, they've saved a ton of money. They'll listen to offers on Brown, but they'd have to be blown away, imo.

Portland must be planning to try to win now. Deal doesn't make sense from Portland side unless they plan to go hard next year. They need to get their pick from us so they can make moves. Come on AK!

Hawks got Porzingas, where does that leave Capela as a free agent? Going to be a rough summer for a lot of guys, lol!

Brad is a good GM and the team is willing to pivot now that Tatum is injured.

I agree with you about Portland. Maybe that makes the pick more valuable in a trade? Or is it better to keep it?

I think the Hawks are done with Capela. I remember a rumor last year (not sure if it's true) that they offered him for Vucevic (maybe the Hawks offered a 2nd round pick too..I can't remember). AK wanted more, so the deal didn't happen.

[HomoSapien]

Hansen Yang was such a reach at 16. It’s the type of move that makes a GM legend or will cost him his job. Clearly, Portland is incredibly high on him. There’s a logjam there with Clingan and Ayton. Of course Ayton is the obvious guy they’d want to move, but I keep wondering if Clingan is perhaps more available than you’d think?

[RedBull23]

Do you guys think the Suns would give up Khaman to get rid off Beal?

[ghostinthepost1]

Do you guys think the Suns would give up Khaman to get rid off Beal?

I was thinking the same thing. We could offer them a starting center (Vooch), a starting PG (Lonzo), a good floor spacer (Huerter), and a wing (Dalen). That's at least 3 rotation players for a team desperate for warm bodies. All expiring contracts as well.

[ChettheJet]

I'm guessing few teams wanted to trade picks or any useful players for Vuc so you can stop acting like AK missed some great move.

Since there was no flood of big or small name trades my take is more teams than just the Bulls decided to hold back, take their low cost draft picks and see which teams that were shut out of the draft start feeling desperate to make trades in a hail Mary to improve over this year. Nobody seemed overly eager to bail out those teams that are over the cap or into the 1st or 2nd tier, which is selfish and cut throat but a good move. I think there might be some trades coming not for cost savings but hole filling then there will be a lot of veterans cut.

That's when the Bulls should be looking to cut Terry and Carter and replace them with some guys who are better for their rotation since Noa is going to play much and #45 won't either.

[burlydee]

Do you guys think the Suns would give up Khaman to get rid off Beal?

Its a money thing. Would Ishbisa rather buy him out or give up assets to trade him. Purely in him money wise. Important to understand while Reinsdorf treats the Bulls as a mom and pop operation, Isaiah treats the Suns like his own personal 2k. Its all about whether or not he likes the move.

I'd offer Ayo, Huerter, and Vuc. The Bulls need foundational pieces and I'm sorry but Essengue doesn't count.

[HomoSapien]

Do you guys think the Suns would give up Khaman to get rid off Beal?

I was thinking the same thing. We could offer them a starting center (Vooch), a starting PG (Lonzo), a good floor spacer (Huerter), and a wing (Dalen). That's at least 3 rotation players for a team desperate for warm bodies. All expiring contracts as well.

I would be open to this. Not sure what Phoenix is thinking. They sort of jumped the gun with the Mark Williams trade... although given his injuries there's room for both.

[boozapalooza]

I simply can’t get over the fact ATL got New Orleans unprotected 2026 1st to move down from 13 to 23.

I need to know if AKME received that offer for 12 and turned it down. I like Noa but that would be incomprehensible to reject. Need a Bulls beat writer to get an answer.

Could have still gotten Newell at 23 while adding a likely top 5-10 pick in next years loaded draft class.

[HomoSapien]

I simply can’t get over the fact ATL got New Orleans unprotected 2026 1st to move down from 13 to 23.

I need to know if AKME received that offer for 12 and turned it down. I like Noa but that would be incomprehensible to reject. Need a Bulls beat writer to get an answer.

Could have still gotten Newell at 23 while adding a likely top 5-10 pick in next years loaded draft class.

You have to assume they did. ME talked about how they talked to 3-4 teams about moving both up and down in the draft. This is a missed opportunity that could haunt us if Essengue doesn't pan out and Atlanta gets a high pick next year from NOP.

[Dan Z]

I simply can’t get over the fact ATL got New Orleans unprotected 2026 1st to move down from 13 to 23.

I need to know if AKME received that offer for 12 and turned it down. I like Noa but that would be incomprehensible to reject. Need a Bulls beat writer to get an answer.

Could have still gotten Newell at 23 while adding a likely top 5-10 pick in next years loaded draft class.

You have to assume they did. ME talked about how they talked to 3-4 teams about moving both up and down in the draft. This is a missed opportunity that could haunt us if Essengue doesn't pan out and Atlanta gets a high pick next year from NOP.

I agree...that was the move they should've made. I like Noa's potential, but not enough to pass on the New Orleans deal.

[Infinity2152]

Remember when we wouldn't give up some minor assets to move up 2 spots and drafted Kirk Hinrich? Rumor was Donyell Marshall or something we wouldn't give up? Cost us Dwayne Wade. Heat would have died if they took that trade. Moving a pick or two down can cost you way more than the value of that future first.

If you have Noa as a top 5 prospect and he's available at #12, you draft him. You're already winning, what's the cost to jump from #12 to top 5? Maybe by the time you get your pick at 16, nobody in your top 15 are available. That's a huge drop in talent.

Attribute Noa Essengue (2025) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2013)
Height (no shoes) 6'10" ~ 6'9" (estimated, no official combine)
Height (with shoes) Not listed 6'11" (official NBA listing)
Weight 198 lbs 196 lbs (at draft)
Wingspan 7'1" ~ 7'3" (estimated)
Standing Reach 9'3.25" 9'2" (estimated)
Max Vertical 35.5" Unknown (not tested at combine)
Age at Draft 18 18
Position Power Forward Forward (SF/PF/PG hybrid)

[boozapalooza]

Remember when we wouldn't give up some minor assets to move up 2 spots and drafted Kirk Hinrich? Rumor was Donyell Marshall or something we wouldn't give up? Cost us Dwayne Wade. Heat would have died if they took that trade. Moving a pick or two down can cost you way more than the value of that future first.

If you have Noa as a top 5 prospect and he's available at #12, you draft him. You're already winning, what's the cost to jump from #12 to top 5? Maybe by the time you get your pick at 16, nobody in your top 15 are available. That's a huge drop in talent.

Sure I won’t complain if Noa becomes a Giannis-lite player, but lot of pressure on him to pan out. That NO pick could become AJ Dybansta, Darryn Peterson, or Cam Boozer, and we would still have our own FRP.

[Infinity2152]

Remember when we wouldn't give up some minor assets to move up 2 spots and drafted Kirk Hinrich? Rumor was Donyell Marshall or something we wouldn't give up? Cost us Dwayne Wade. Heat would have died if they took that trade. Moving a pick or two down can cost you way more than the value of that future first.

If you have Noa as a top 5 prospect and he's available at #12, you draft him. You're already winning, what's the cost to jump from #12 to top 5? Maybe by the time you get your pick at 16, nobody in your top 15 are available. That's a huge drop in talent.

Sure I won’t complain if Noa becomes a Giannis-lite player, but lot of pressure on him to pan out. That NO pick could become AJ Dybansta, Darryn Peterson, or Cam Boozer, and we would still have our own FRP.

Matter of conviction. Like I said, without knowing AK's draft board, if a top 5 prospect drops to 12, that's worth a lot. Teams draft charts aren't REMOTELY the same (Yang). If I have multiple other prospects in the same tier, sure, trade the pick. If not, I'm dropping to a different tier to pick up a future first. Every single pick could have been traded down to get extra picks, many including future firsts. Probably could get pick #7 and 3-5 firsts for pick #3.

Essengue was VERY unlikely to be there at 16. If the GM thinks the guy can be a star, isn't that the point of drafting? Lot of pressure for ALL these guys to pan out. VJ Edgecombe, Harper, Flagg, Knueppel have a lot to prove too to be worth their draft picks.

Noa's 18. Think fans should be a little patient with this pick, but see the potential upside at pick 12, which is not a high upside pick.

The assumption we were even offered that deal is just that, as far as I know. Like the "We turned down 2 firsts and players for Coby" is still unconfirmed, or am I wrong? It's possible, but nobody was given a chance to bid on Luka either when Dallas gave LA that huge discount. They would have gotten way more. Teams don't automatically do the obvious, especially if they're against a clock. Maybe they offered AK less, he turned it down, then they upped their offer a little more to the next team to get their man. Wouldn't necessarily be the same offer or better.

[Salo23]

I simply can’t get over the fact ATL got New Orleans unprotected 2026 1st to move down from 13 to 23.

I need to know if AKME received that offer for 12 and turned it down. I like Noa but that would be incomprehensible to reject. Need a Bulls beat writer to get an answer.

Could have still gotten Newell at 23 while adding a likely top 5-10 pick in next years loaded draft class.

You have to assume they did. ME talked about how they talked to 3-4 teams about moving both up and down in the draft. This is a missed opportunity that could haunt us if Essengue doesn't pan out and Atlanta gets a high pick next year from NOP.

I agree...that was the move they should've made. I like Noa's potential, but not enough to pass on the New Orleans deal.

It was a great trade by Atlanta because they acquired TWO chances at picking in the lottery in a loaded 2026 draft, the most favorable pick between New Orleans and Milwaukee..

New Orleans - High probability Zion gets hurt and misses a ton of games. Dejounte Murray is currently rehabbing from a torn achilles, he won’t be the same for awhile. Then you are throwing out big minutes to guys like Queen, Fears and Poole, you’re going to give up a ton of points.

Milwaukee - Lillard is coming off a torn achilles. They are a Giannis injury away from being one of the worst teams in the league. Giannis could still ask out at any moment.

At pick 23 I would have went with either Raynaud or Newell.

Essengue is being called an upside pick and to give him a few years to develop, but IMO the bigger upside swing was getting 2 unprotected shots at next year’s loaded draft with AJ, Boozer etc.

[WesPeace]

Do you guys think the Suns would give up Khaman to get rid off Beal?

I was thinking the same thing. We could offer them a starting center (Vooch), a starting PG (Lonzo), a good floor spacer (Huerter), and a wing (Dalen). That's at least 3 rotation players for a team desperate for warm bodies. All expiring contracts as well.

I would be open to this. Not sure what Phoenix is thinking. They sort of jumped the gun with the Mark Williams trade... although given his injuries there's room for both.

Maluach isnt starter next season in NBA, so he can grow and mature behind Williams. There will be plenty of minutes for both on Suns.

[HomoSapien]

I was thinking the same thing. We could offer them a starting center (Vooch), a starting PG (Lonzo), a good floor spacer (Huerter), and a wing (Dalen). That's at least 3 rotation players for a team desperate for warm bodies. All expiring contracts as well.

I would be open to this. Not sure what Phoenix is thinking. They sort of jumped the gun with the Mark Williams trade... although given his injuries there's room for both.

Maluach isnt starter next season in NBA, so he can grow and mature behind Williams. There will be plenty of minutes for both on Suns.

Williams is only 23. If injuries weren't part of his equation, I think they would definitely view one as expendable and I assume they weren't expecting Malauch to be there at 10.

[WesPeace]

I would be open to this. Not sure what Phoenix is thinking. They sort of jumped the gun with the Mark Williams trade... although given his injuries there's room for both.

Maluach isnt starter next season in NBA, so he can grow and mature behind Williams. There will be plenty of minutes for both on Suns.

Williams is only 23. If injuries weren't part of his equation, I think they would definitely view one as expendable and I assume they weren't expecting Malauch to be there at 10.

I know, still young dude,but this will be his 4th season.. has some experiance under him

[ChettheJet]

The story that I see is Giannis could still be traded when he sees what the Bucks can do in free agency. Don't really see what they can do. True the Bulls made no draft day trades, but if the Bucks have to move Giannis an expiring Vuc's $21M is still available to swing players from a couple of other teams looking for a center

[sco]

Remember when we wouldn't give up some minor assets to move up 2 spots and drafted Kirk Hinrich? Rumor was Donyell Marshall or something we wouldn't give up? Cost us Dwayne Wade. Heat would have died if they took that trade. Moving a pick or two down can cost you way more than the value of that future first.

If you have Noa as a top 5 prospect and he's available at #12, you draft him. You're already winning, what's the cost to jump from #12 to top 5? Maybe by the time you get your pick at 16, nobody in your top 15 are available. That's a huge drop in talent.

Attribute Noa Essengue (2025) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2013)
Height (no shoes) 6'10" ~ 6'9" (estimated, no official combine)
Height (with shoes) Not listed 6'11" (official NBA listing)
Weight 198 lbs 196 lbs (at draft)
Wingspan 7'1" ~ 7'3" (estimated)
Standing Reach 9'3.25" 9'2" (estimated)
Max Vertical 35.5" Unknown (not tested at combine)
Age at Draft 18 18
Position Power Forward Forward (SF/PF/PG hybrid)

I will chime when we say player A with nothing other than measurables and very limited career #'s is being compared to an all time great based on that info as if there is an established path from Noa today to Giannis. This is so unlikely it's silly. There have been 100 guys who have been similar in the same ways that aren't even in the league anymore because it didn't play out that way.