Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Jon Horst the Wizard

[Bernman]

Reaves is underrated as hell. He had his playoff successes before last season when he seemingly played hurt. Now he's being evaluated partly on that. Also expanded his game when the Lakers had 1 less balhandler. Can play off ball too. Decent defender. Would maybe Save Our Bucks tm

at that counter-argument. Of course you think that. You're the one who said he's overrated.

[LUKE23]

Reaves was being listed as the only player piece coming back in a GA trade by some. He's a solid player, but if he wasn't on the Lakers, he wouldn't be talked about nearly as frequently as he is. He averaged 16/5/3 in the playoffs at almost 40 mpg and .319 from 3, and he can't guard anyone.

[Bernman]

Reaves was being listed as the only player piece coming back in a GA trade by some. He's a solid player, but if he wasn't on the Lakers, he wouldn't be talked about nearly as frequently as he is.

Those would have to be extreme outliers. In fact I didn't ever even see the Lakers name come up seriously. Maybe you saw a couple yahoos on Twitter. That doesn't define the basketball world.

3 out of his 4 seasons he's had quite a strong on/off +/- (lowest is +5.6), w/ an outlier substantial negative. So there's plenty of evidence he decisively makes his teams better. And that's indicative he's not some big liability on d. Put up over 20 on a winning team last yr. Efficiency was way above average. Always has been. Ast/to ratio was solid at well over 2. Can create for himself and teammates. Plenty of clutch play, significant playoff success, up until last season. That's a needle-mover & worth being talked about.

Him being cheap in the interim makes him acquirable for us. For guys making more salary, which is about all of them, we'd have to include Dame, or at least Kuz, diluting the value enough to not get a needle-mover. Theoretically fits well w/ Giannis, as a late clock perimeter creator, who can play off ball too. So yea, this is the type of guy who could realistically extend the window, that's possible to acquire for what we're working with.

[soxperry]

What does it take to get Reaves here? Lopez S&T, 31 first and AJJ?

Cant aggregate salary in a sign and trade so would need to be just brook or just bobby if its a sign and trade

2 for 2 still works in Bobbys case, just need them to throw in a minimum player they don't want.

I dont think so.

There can be multiple players but each of the players would need to be able to be legally traded for one of the others on their own. So you could have a guy who makes 10 and a guy who makes 5 traded for a guy who makes 10 and a guy who makes 5. But you cant do two guys who make 7.5 for one 10 and a 5.. thats my understanding at keast

[FrieAaron]

Reaves was being listed as the only player piece coming back in a GA trade by some. He's a solid player, but if he wasn't on the Lakers, he wouldn't be talked about nearly as frequently as he is. He averaged 16/5/3 in the playoffs at almost 40 mpg and .319 from 3, and he can't guard anyone.

Feel like people were saying this same thing about Caruso as well. Lakers players do tend to get overrated but I think Reaves is pretty damn legit. Just entering his prime and put up 20ppg on .46/.38/.88 splits.

[M-C-G]

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Would you do the ‘31 1st for both Cam’s?

Cam Thomas is a FA.

To get Cam Johnson it would need to be Kuzma/2031 1st.

Dame + 31 1st for Cam and Claxton...fills some needs

PG KPJ, Rollins
SG AJG, AJJ
SF Cam Johnson, Prince? GTJ?
PF Giannis, Portis
C Claxton, Sims

That team would be capable of playing pretty fast, good shooting but probably would be important to bring back GTJ now that I look more at it

[LUKE23]

Dame + 31 1st for Cam and Claxton...fills some needs

PG KPJ, Rollins
SG AJG, AJJ
SF Cam Johnson, Prince? GTJ?
PF Giannis, Porter
C Claxton, Sims

Not sure Brooklyn does that, but I'd be on board. If we are going to move the 2031 1st I would want younger, long-term pieces. Both Cam Johnson and Claxton have 2+ years left on their deals and are in their prime. Claxton would present spacing issues offensively, but that interior D would be off the charts and it would allow them to play at a breakneck pace.

[M-C-G]

Dame + 31 1st for Cam and Claxton...fills some needs

PG KPJ, Rollins
SG AJG, AJJ
SF Cam Johnson, Prince? GTJ?
PF Giannis, Porter
C Claxton, Sims

Not sure Brooklyn does that, but I'd be on board. If we are going to move the 2031 1st I would want younger, long-term pieces. Both Cam Johnson and Claxton have 2+ years left on their deals and are in their prime. Claxton would present spacing issues offensively, but that interior D would be off the charts and it would allow them to play at a breakneck pace.

Maybe we can sign and trade Brook to get some additional assets, use that TPE on a guy like Grayson Allen and collect a few more assets

[Ron Swanson]

Reaves rightfully turned down the max $22 million per year the Lakers could offer him because even the biggest skeptic probably concedes he's worth more than that, but him now not being extension eligible until he's a UFA next offseason is absolutely gonna cause teams to wince at acquiring him knowing the inevitable price tag (not to mention the assets you're already giving up). Just like Cam Johnson, he's a dude you look at as the "last missing piece" to a title, so for a team in our position his one cheap salary year is pretty much wasted until you have to hand out that massive extension just to retain him. And Reaves at anywhere near $40 million per is absolutely crippling.

[LUKE23]

Reaves rightfully turned down the max $22 million per year the Lakers could offer him because even the biggest skeptic probably concedes he's worth more than that, but him now not being extension eligible until he's a UFA next offseason is absolutely gonna cause teams to wince at acquiring him knowing the inevitable price tag (not to mention the assets you're already giving up). Just like Cam Johnson, he's a dude you look at as the "last missing piece" to a title, so for a team in our position his one cheap salary year is pretty much wasted until you have to hand out that massive extension just to retain him. And Reaves at anywhere near $40 million per is absolutely crippling.

I agree with your overall point, but Cam Johnson has two years left at a pretty solid salary ($20.5M/$22.5M). His second year isn't a PO.

[ReddRum]

It's so tempting to move Dame now so we can have a better chance to compete in 25-26 but is this the right move? I know he has a player option for 26-27 so at that point odds are he is gone right? is it possible he would opt-in so we could sign and trade him? I feel like I'd rather cut bait with him now and just move on with rebuilding the team. it really sucks to basically waste a full year on the small chance he resigns with us on a "team-friendly" deal when the true odds are he will get a better deal / would rather go to another team and then we basically lose him for nothing. Anybody have an educated guess on the what the likely outcome is here?

[LUKE23]

It's so tempting to move Dame now so we can have a better chance to compete in 25-26 but is this the right move? I know he has a player option for 26-27 so at that point odds are he is gone right? is it possible he would opt-in so we could sign and trade him? I feel like I'd rather cut bait with him now and just move on with rebuilding the team. it really sucks to basically waste a full year on the small chance he resigns with us on a "team-friendly" deal when the true odds are he will get a better deal / would rather go to another team and then we basically lose him for nothing. Anybody have an educated guess on the what the likely outcome is here?

Dame will be 36 before the 2026-27 season and likely just recovered from an Achilles injury. I'd bet way more money on him opting in than out.

[SirChurros]

Dame is absolutely exercising that option. If you can move off his money now, I think you do it.

[jute2003]

My problem with most of the angst about horst and what he has and hasn't done is that a lot of the posters who are the loudest are the same ones who have wanted to run it back every year.

You gotta trade something to get something usually. Horst is an average to above average gm who works in a small market. He's good at some things and bad at others. He's been overruled on coaching hires twice now. Who knows what else he's been shot down on.

[soxperry]

We have no idea what Dame will look like post injury so his value or negative value at this moment is very murky. But if i had to guess its probably negative. i think the smart play is to wait until next offseason so that his contract is an expiring and we dont have to attach value to him to move him.

[BUCKnation]

Reaves rightfully turned down the max $22 million per year the Lakers could offer him because even the biggest skeptic probably concedes he's worth more than that, but him now not being extension eligible until he's a UFA next offseason is absolutely gonna cause teams to wince at acquiring him knowing the inevitable price tag (not to mention the assets you're already giving up). Just like Cam Johnson, he's a dude you look at as the "last missing piece" to a title, so for a team in our position his one cheap salary year is pretty much wasted until you have to hand out that massive extension just to retain him. And Reaves at anywhere near $40 million per is absolutely crippling.

Yeah, around 30 is probably right him, if you look at the tier of player getting those type of deals. Maybe 35 at most if you think there is runway for improvement.

[ReddRum]

We have no idea what Dame will look like post injury so his value or negative value at this moment is very murky. But if i had to guess its probably negative. i think the smart play is to wait until next offseason so that his contract is an expiring and we dont have to attach value to him to move him.

Right but then aren't we completely handcuffed this season because he accounts for about 35% of our total salary cap? Yes we MIGHT get more for him later but we are punting on the 25-26 season realistically... I am on the get what you can for him now train for sure. Cut our losses and move on...

[BUCKnation]

I don't even know what a deal involving Dame would look like, but I think getting off of that without giving up assets is definitely something you have to be looking at.

[jakecronus8]

I wonder if Dame would do something similar to what FVV did and opt out, then sign a 2/65-70 contract with a second year PO to help with flexibility

[PG Graveyard]

I wonder if Dame would do what FVV did and sign a 2/65-70 contract with a second year PO to help with flexibility

What do you think?