2025 Draft

Kilo · Post #101 » by **Kilo** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:03 pm

On an aside, I wouldn't have traded Stew for anybody picked at or after #17.

Also NIL killed the second round dead. More guaranteed money to stay in school. Gonna see a lot of five year seniors in the second round going forward.

bstein14 · Post #102 » by **bstein14** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:10 pm

Kilo wrote:On an aside, I wouldn't have traded Stew for anybody picked at or after #17.

Also NIL killed the second round dead. More guaranteed money to stay in school. Gonna see a lot of five year seniors in the second round going forward.

But that doesn't really kill the 2nd round. It maybe removes the raw Freshman type players coming out because they want to get paid... guys with big upset but more boom/bust.

You just get more established players in the 2nd round that are less risky because you've seen them for four years... maybe a little less upside. Guys like Sasser.

Crymson · Post #103 » by **Crymson** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:59 pm

Rip32 wrote:Weaver pulled a similar trade to get Duren I believe. I see no problem with going to get your player. The Lions use the same philosophy granted it's football

They've got a mess of a roster centered around one of the least healthy players in the league, they play in a conference that'll be remarkably strong next season, next summer's draft is projected as very strong, and the pick is UNPROTECTED. Even if the Pelicans miraculously end up doing well in the West, the pick is the most favorable of the Pelicans or Bucks, and Milwaukee could struggle next season given Dame's absence.

The fact that the selection itself was highly questionable just makes matters worse.

bstein14 · Post #104 » by **bstein14** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:13 pm

I think Joe Dumars is operating like a person who isn't afraid to take risks. Poole trade is obviously a risk but age wise lines up better with the rest of the team and also a player they can kind a bit with some of the other players they have.

Derik Queen has Troy Weaver all over it as a player who is from the same area as him DC/Baltimore and a guy but many did he ever do poorly in the draft combine. He's not the athlete and doesn't have the lateral quickness you'd hope for.... That said, he does have a comfort with the ball for a big man I am guessing they like the way he pairs with Zion. a

C: Queen
PF: Zion
SF: Trey Murpy III / Herb
SG: Poole/ Herb
PG: Murray / Jose

They'd be smart to use Poole as a super sub 6th man and let him be option #1 with the bench unit like we do for Beasley but I doubt he accepts that role.

Rip32 · Post #105 » by **Rip32** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:26 pm

bstein14 wrote:I think Joe Dumars is operating like a person who isn't afraid to take risks. Poole trade is obviously a risk but age wise lines up better with the rest of the team and also a player they can kind a bit with some of the other players they have.

Derik Queen has Troy Weaver all over it as a player who is from the same area as him DC/Baltimore and a guy but many did he ever do poorly in the draft combine. He's not the athlete and doesn't have the lateral quickness you'd hope for.... That said, he does have a comfort with the ball for a big man I am guessing they like the way he pairs with Zion. a

C: Queen
PF: Zion
SF: Trey Murpy III / Herb
SG: Poole/ Herb
PG: Murray / Jose

They'd be smart to use Poole as a super sub 6th man and let him be option #1 with the bench unit like we do for Beasley but I doubt he accepts that role.

They'll take their lumps but at least Queen will be getting some burn. It's a similar situation with our team prior to winning. Young players have to learn how to play nba basketball before they can win. IMO OKC is one-off. I definitely didn't think they could win this year.

Post #106 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:41 pm

17 and 19 are the picks we would have had in this draft if we’d not traded for Duren and Stewart. We had that pick that ended up at 19 through the Jerami Grant trade and we used it to trade for Duren.

It’ll be interesting in coming years to see what guys picked in that range become.

Neptune · Post #107 » by **Neptune** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:48 pm

If Fleming's gets picked up, get Johni Broome at 37

Post #108 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:11 pm

According to Jake Fischer of The Stein Line (Twitter link), the Hornets (either No. 33 or No. 34), Raptors (No. 39), Warriors (No. 41) and Thunder (No. 44) are also open to trading their second-round picks. ESPN identified Charlotte this morning as a team to monitor with one of its early second-rounders.

Kilo · Post #109 » by **Kilo** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:30 pm

Probably would trade their second second rounder and want future seconds. Not sure giving up two future seconds to jump two teams would be worth it. I guess then trade our current pick for future second back. We don't need two second rounders out of this draft.

MortSahlfan · Post #110 » by **MortSahlfan** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:32 pm

Just in case anyone was interested

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tmorgan · Post #111 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:57 pm

Queen is not going to be able to play pro center defensively, not the slightest chance in hell. He has some interesting traits on offense, for sure, but he’s going to stink defensively anywhere — too slow to not play center, but not a rim protector at all.

If he gets in great shape and avoids the problems of the guy he reminds me of (a lesser Derrick Coleman), he’ll be a player, but the pairing with Zion is awful and Dumars/Weaver greatly overpaid to get him.

Ugly.

whitehops · Post #112 » by **whitehops** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:29 pm

wonder what phoenix has up their sleeves trading up just before us...

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and not sure what a second round green room entails, i guess they just get an interview when they're picked?

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MotownMadness · Post #113 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:07 pm

whitehops wrote:wonder what phoenix has up their sleeves trading up just before us...

Read on Twitter

and not sure what a second round green room entails, i guess they just get an interview when they're picked?

Read on Twitter

Shams says they’re trying to move up for Fleming

Kilo · Post #114 » by **Kilo** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:32 pm

Detroit brought Lanier in, linked a lot here in mocks. Seems like maybe a promise was made.

Neptune · Post #115 » by **Neptune** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:37 pm

Kilo wrote:Detroit brought Lanier in, linked a lot here in mocks. Seems like maybe a promise was made.

Huh? There's a guy named Lanier in the draft?

MortSahlfan · Post #116 » by **MortSahlfan** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:42 pm

Neptune wrote:
Kilo wrote:Detroit brought Lanier in, linked a lot here in mocks. Seems like maybe a promise was made.

Huh? There's a guy named Lanier in the draft?

I think he's related to Bob Lanier, too.

GreekAlex · Post #117 » by **GreekAlex** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 12:24 am

Trajan must have not had a high evaluation on Flemming.

We have a war chest of seconds that could have been used to move up.

We’ll see how this goes.

MotownMadness · Post #118 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 12:25 am

Orlando just moved like 4 seconds to move up to #32

Post #119 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 12:34 am

MotownMadness wrote:Orlando just moved like 4 seconds to move up to #32

Reminds me of the Sasser trade.

Fennis Dembo · Post #120 » by **Fennis Dembo** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 12:38 am

Kalkbrenner gone.