With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles!

[Prestige]

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

[Kingsway_fan]

Raps need to continue to accumulate assets for that GIANNIS big move ... you know it's coming ...

[PushDaRock]

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

lol is it supposed to be easy to get one?

[Parataxis]

Doesn’t this imply a “throw sh*t at the wall approach”? It doesn’t exactly speak to much confidence in the current team when they draft a guy who is extremely similar (and a bad fit) with the current franchise player.

No, it means they probably have a baseline for discovering guys that can stick in the NBA and that usually results in playing better than their draft position.

I don’t understand the how they can draft a guy “who plays the way they want” while also being a really bad fit with other players on the roster. How much does play style matter when you’re compromising the end results due to poorly fitting pieces? “I know we’re playing the way we want to but unfortunately we can’t shoot at all and it’s really hurting our offense”. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

Rosters change frequently. We did draft two high volume 3PT shooters in the last two first rounds, so those guys made it through the filter, too.

We’re talking about big roster changes though. Like move off of Barnes and Poeltl type changes.

In a vacuum the CMB pick is fine. I trust the FO as far as drafting goes. What someone needs to ask them is “if CMB never learns how to shoot do you think it’s tenable that he and Barnes can play together? And if not, what does that mean for Barnes future?”

The odds are against CMB becoming a good shooter and if that’s the case this team doesn’t work. How does the FO reconcile this with their commitment to Barnes?

Wait until you hear about this thing called 'trades'. They picked their BPA. If they need to change things later, they can do that.

[LoveMyRaps]

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

We've been out of the playoffs for 3 years.

And franchise level players don't grow on trees, there's maybe like 1-2 per draft class. Not to mention last years class was one of the weakest in history, with zero franchise level players.

We've still done a pretty good job drafting. We hit on all of our picks last year.

[OakleyDokely]

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

There are teams that have spent half a decade or more in the lottery asking the same question.

Not easy to find franchise level players, even at the top of drafts.

[tsherkin]

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

Franchise players aren't easy to come by. Look at the Wizards. They've drafted 9th, 9th, 15th, 10th, 8th, 2nd and 6th and they still suck ass (and indeed, have consecutive seasons under 20 wins, albeit tanking like crazy).

There are only so many franchise players around to be had, and most of them are untouchable. And drafting them, they don't come along that frequently to begin with. And we didn't even really full-send on trying to rebuild until basically this year.

[dauv78]

Quick question for you folks. I don't post very often but read this board religiously.

What if the plan is an eventual Barnes + for Giannis. How would the CMB pick look in our current lineup with Giannis, BI, CMB etc....

Assuming the trade is Barnes, 2 or 3 first rd picks, 2 1st rd swap (for a total of 4-5 1st) + RJ or Ochai or IQ + filler

Basically does picking CMB make trading Barnes for a Superstar more feasible?

[LoveMyRaps]

Quick question for you folks. I don't post very often but read this board religiously.

What if the plan is an eventual Barnes + for Giannis. How would the CMB pick look in our current lineup with Giannis, BI, CMB etc....

Assuming the trade is Barnes, 2 or 3 first rd picks, 2 1st rd swap (for a total of 4-5 1st) + RJ or Ochai or IQ + filler

Basically does picking CMB make trading Barnes for a Superstar more feasible?

Yes.

[sidsid]

I think you're overthinking this. They used Watson to find players that play the way they want to play, regardless of who is already on the team. They never draft from Europe. This has given them very stable results in the first round over the years. When I look at who followed CMB in the draft, it's a lot of low data and risk players.

Doesn’t this imply a “throw sh*t at the wall approach”? It doesn’t exactly speak to much confidence in the current team when they draft a guy who is extremely similar (and a bad fit) with the current franchise player.

I don’t understand the how they can draft a guy “who plays the way they want” while also being a really bad fit with other players on the roster. How much does play style matter when you’re compromising the end results due to poorly fitting pieces? “I know we’re playing the way we want to but unfortunately we can’t shoot at all and it’s really hurting our offense”. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

I don't view anyone as untouchable on this roster and Masai probably feels the same way.

This isn't a fit question to them. We're on year 3 of Jak at C, who was a terrible fit next to Siakam and Barnes when they traded for him. They then quadrupled down and added Dennis as a starter. After the trades, it still left us with RJ starting (who's 3pt shooting did end up improving).

It's easier to work around multiple poor shooters, while it's much harder adding a non-shooter like Jak. But there has been no hurry to move Jak for a proper fit.

Every year management and coaching has been completely fine with playing 2+ non-spacers in the starting lineup. They're comfortable with this style of play in the modern era. I'm comfortable with a couple mobile poor shooters, too, but a non-shooting big is a no-go. But not to them.

If any player is moved it won't be because of this.

[Clutch0z24]

Doesn’t this imply a “throw sh*t at the wall approach”? It doesn’t exactly speak to much confidence in the current team when they draft a guy who is extremely similar (and a bad fit) with the current franchise player.

No, it means they probably have a baseline for discovering guys that can stick in the NBA and that usually results in playing better than their draft position.

I don’t understand the how they can draft a guy “who plays the way they want” while also being a really bad fit with other players on the roster. How much does play style matter when you’re compromising the end results due to poorly fitting pieces? “I know we’re playing the way we want to but unfortunately we can’t shoot at all and it’s really hurting our offense”. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

Rosters change frequently. We did draft two high volume 3PT shooters in the last two first rounds, so those guys made it through the filter, too.

We’re talking about big roster changes though. Like move off of Barnes and Poeltl type changes.

In a vacuum the CMB pick is fine. I trust the FO as far as drafting goes. What someone needs to ask them is “if CMB never learns how to shoot do you think it’s tenable that he and Barnes can play together? And if not, what does that mean for Barnes future?”

The odds are against CMB becoming a good shooter and if that’s the case this team doesn’t work. How does the FO reconcile this with their commitment to Barnes?

I think we use CMB or use Barnes for a bigger move....I think we end up trading one of them in a bigger package for an upgrade....I don't think Barnes/CMB can play together.....Especially with Yak/RJ still on the team....Spacing is horrible....

Defense can only take you so far.....You want to model yourself after the OKC that plays elite elite defense.....But you have to also look at their offensive ability as well....Shai might be the best offensive player in the league, Williams is also pretty elite on the offensive end on all 3 levels....Chet can do some things as well...

Masai has his work cut out to build and reshape this roster....I don't think we are done making moves just yet so we will see what else happens.

[tsherkin]

Quick question for you folks. I don't post very often but read this board religiously.

What if the plan is an eventual Barnes + for Giannis. How would the CMB pick look in our current lineup with Giannis, BI, CMB etc....

Assuming the trade is Barnes, 2 or 3 first rd picks, 2 1st rd swap (for a total of 4-5 1st) + RJ or Ochai or IQ + filler

Basically does picking CMB make trading Barnes for a Superstar more feasible?

I doubt we manage to swing that, but yeah, I think having someone who is basically a younger version of Barnes with more of an aggressive mentality, and with BI inbound, makes moving Scottie more possible from the FO.

[PushDaRock]

Doesn’t this imply a “throw sh*t at the wall approach”? It doesn’t exactly speak to much confidence in the current team when they draft a guy who is extremely similar (and a bad fit) with the current franchise player.

I don’t understand the how they can draft a guy “who plays the way they want” while also being a really bad fit with other players on the roster. How much does play style matter when you’re compromising the end results due to poorly fitting pieces? “I know we’re playing the way we want to but unfortunately we can’t shoot at all and it’s really hurting our offense”. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

I don't view anyone as untouchable on this roster and Masai probably feels the same way.

This isn't a fit question to them. We're on year 3 of Jak at C, who was a terrible fit next to Siakam and Barnes when they traded for him. They then quadrupled down and added Dennis as a starter. After the trades, it still left us with RJ starting (who's 3pt shooting did end up improving).

It's easier to work around multiple poor shooters, while it's much harder adding a non-shooter like Jak. But there has been no hurry to move Jak for a proper fit.

Every year management and coaching has been completely fine with playing 2+ non-spacers in the starting lineup. They're comfortable with this style of play in the modern era. I'm comfortable with a couple mobile poor shooters, too, but a non-shooting big is a no-go. But not to them.

If any player is moved it won't be because of this.

That's because replacing Jak is difficult. How long is the list of C's with above average D and can shoot? How many of them are available?

[bape_lovers]

it took SGA 7 years to get his larry ob

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

[SpezNc]

Jakobe, Gradey, Ochai, Barrett. One or more will get traded. Not enough minutes. Igram is SF/PF

I think Ja'Kobe is in the 10-man rotation over Mogbo and CMB will be the backup C, but other than that this depth chart looks accurate if it's a stand pat type of offseason.

There is also Jamison Battle . He might not play a lot when the team is fully healthy but his 3pt % could be valuable enough to keep him in the larger rotation .

[Pointgod]

Quick question for you folks. I don't post very often but read this board religiously.

What if the plan is an eventual Barnes + for Giannis. How would the CMB pick look in our current lineup with Giannis, BI, CMB etc....

Assuming the trade is Barnes, 2 or 3 first rd picks, 2 1st rd swap (for a total of 4-5 1st) + RJ or Ochai or IQ + filler

Basically does picking CMB make trading Barnes for a Superstar more feasible?

Hate to break it to you but CMB would be included along with Barnes in any Giannis trade.

[anotherhomer]

Jakobe, Gradey, Ochai, Barrett. One or more will get traded. Not enough minutes. Igram is SF/PF

I think Ja'Kobe is in the 10-man rotation over Mogbo and CMB will be the backup C, but other than that this depth chart looks accurate if it's a stand pat type of offseason.

There is also Jamison Battle . He might not play a lot when the team is fully healthy but his 3pt % could be valuable enough to keep him in the larger rotation .

CMB is the backup for 4 and 5

[sidsid]

I don't view anyone as untouchable on this roster and Masai probably feels the same way.

This isn't a fit question to them. We're on year 3 of Jak at C, who was a terrible fit next to Siakam and Barnes when they traded for him. They then quadrupled down and added Dennis as a starter. After the trades, it still left us with RJ starting (who's 3pt shooting did end up improving).

It's easier to work around multiple poor shooters, while it's much harder adding a non-shooter like Jak. But there has been no hurry to move Jak for a proper fit.

Every year management and coaching has been completely fine with playing 2+ non-spacers in the starting lineup. They're comfortable with this style of play in the modern era. I'm comfortable with a couple mobile poor shooters, too, but a non-shooting big is a no-go. But not to them.

If any player is moved it won't be because of this.

That's because replacing Jak is difficult. How long is the list of C's with above average D and can shoot? How many of them are available?

They could play small like they were doing with Siakam before Jak. Both CMB and Barnes are much bigger and sturdier C's than the Siakam was.

They could just live with poorer defense but better spacing offense when KO was here, and have Jak juice the bench minutes.

They could have spent more to trade for Turner instead of Jak back then if they really felt that size was a crucial need.

There are tons of things they could have done and could still do.

They choose to play Jak (and re-sign Jak) and other poor fits in non-spacing lineups because they believe in it. Or they don't believe the downsides matter.

Granted the only experience they've seen of this failing is getting embarrassed by the Bulls in a play-in game once. They're not getting the cold reality of the Allen/Mobley & Mitchell/Garland questions hitting them over and over again in two playoff runs.

[Clutch0z24]

Gotta think a trade involving multiple players is coming this offseason....How will Darko find mins for everyone on the team...

Quickley
Barrett
Ingram
Barnes
Yak

Dick
Walter
Ochai
CMB
Mogbo
Shead

Battle

I mean 11 player rotation is not ideal....Some of these guys will lose out on alot of mins this year....I think a move to turn some of these guys into 1 upgraded player needs to happen....

[And1Skip]

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