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2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion

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What is your draft grade?

A+ (Home run)
9
16%
A (Excellent value and fit)
34
59%
B (Safe, reasonable picks)
11
19%
C (Average pick, modest impact)
3
5%
D (Risky, poor value)
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2%
E (Very poor value or fit)
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#501 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:49 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Best available in our range

1. Rasheer Fleming, St. Joseph’s Hawks
Fleming was one of the most physically gifted players in the draft. He’s got great size at over 6' 8" without shoes with a 7' 5" wingspan and a chiseled frame. He has consistently improved after being overshadowed in high school by top recruits D.J. Wagner and Aaron Bradshaw, blossoming into a star this season at St. Joseph’s. He possesses real defensive versatility and shot 39% from three this season.

2. Maxime Raynaud, Stanford Cardinal
Raynaud played his way into serious first-round consideration at the NBA draft combine, but ended up falling to Day 2. He’ll be highly sought after early in Thursday’s second round, looking like a potential plug-and-play big man option whose ability to stretch the floor is his clearest ticket to NBA minutes.

3. Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton Bluejays
Kalkbrenner is an all-time great at Creighton after a monster five-year career. He’s not for everyone due to his slender frame and limited versatility, but it’s not hard to imagine him carving out a similar role on a contender to the one that Luke Kornet played so well for the Boston Celtics this season.

4. Noah Penda, Le Mans (France)
Penda is the type of ready-made role player everyone is looking for, a multi-positional forward with elite feel for the game who can add a lot of value without needing the ball in his hands. I expected to hear his name called in the latter part of the first round, and he shouldn’t have to wait long to get picked Thursday night.

5. Adou Thiero, Arkansas Razorbacks
Thiero is an elite defender, with the size, athleticism and motor to guard up and down the lineup and carve out early minutes that way. His inconsistencies as a three-point shooter and rumored concerns about his medicals likely contributed to his fall out of the first round, but he’s someone who has consistently gotten better over his three-year college career and has more upside to tap into still.

6. Kam Jones, Marquette Golden Eagles
Jones took to full-time point guard duties quite well in his senior year, dragging the Golden Eagles to the NCAA tournament. His three-point shooting numbers fell off big-time from his time playing off the ball, and he’s likely going to have to play the point at the next level due to his size. He’s worth a flier early in the second round as someone who has consistently produced at an elite level against top college competition.

7. Johni Broome, Auburn Tigers
Broome was neck-and-neck with Cooper Flagg for national player of the year honors for much of the year, blossoming into a dominant force over his five-year college career. He’s a limited athlete and will likely struggle defending in space at the next level, but there’s a role out there for someone as good on the boards as Broome is, especially when you add his continued offensive skill development to the picture.

8. Chaz Lanier, Tennessee Volunteers
Lanier is as elite a shooter as you’ll find, having made a ridiculous 123 triples at 40% this year as Tennessee’s top offensive option. He’s a late bloomer who just two years ago was a rising senior at North Florida having averaged fewer than five points per game the previous year. His athletic testing at the combine likely helped assuage concerns about him translating up to the next level.

https://www.si.com/nba/si-am-five-notes-from-the-nba-draft


Move Thiero to 4 ahead of Penda because Penda is really only 6'7 and not really dynamic at anything. Basically he's a mix of Abdul Nader and Ish Wainwright. Thiero is much more explosive, more dynamic and has a much higher ceiling as a two way power wing/ forward. He's also got that "Dog" in him more than anyone left in the 2nd round. :wink:
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Post#502 » by Saberestar » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:51 pm

Djedefre wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Djedefre wrote:Maluach IS NOT the best center in this draft. No matter how many times you type it, it won't become a fact. He may become the best in 3-4 years, but right now the odds don't look so great. Not to say it's impossible, just that it's far more likely he becomes a bust than some kind of an anchor for us in years to come. With him, we're left with hope he develops into a solid starting C, and hope is a dangerous thing. We all know that.


He was first C drafted and you'd be hard pressed to find many sites that didn't have him the top ranked C prospect. Shrug


Dragan Bender was pretty much consensus top5 pick that damned year, based on the same 'evaluation process' from all the same sites and draftheads. All that silly talk about some huge potential, great promise when almost none of them actually saw him play real games. His whole draft stock was built on that smoke of 'potential' and unicorn-ish appearance when in reality there was so small a sample to judge from, and even that was not particularly impressive whatsoever.

Back to Maluach - he did not play a ton of minutes, was on a loaded Duke squad, did not show any really impressive trait. Defense was good, but nothing out of this world, he was finishing the most basic things after being served on a pletter while being like half a foot taller than 99% of competition. Not an impressive rebounder for his size, like at all. He is tall, has big wingspan, played for Duke and that's why people are so high on him. Shooting and bball iq are big unknowns. I did not see anything from him that makes me particularly excited. Maybe he's a hard worker and will improve over the years, but he certainly has A LOT of work to do.

I don’t agree with you about Maluach but I understand your point and it makes sense to have serious reservations about a freshman like him.

Yeah, Bender was terrible but every prospect is different from any other. As humans we always try to look for similarities to make our reads easier but so many times don't work well.

Maluach has something on his side really important for a PF/C. He weights 253 lbs and he is naturally strong enough to absorb the physical game from day 1.

I looked at Mo Bamba (another floor comparison) in 2018 and he was close to 30 lbs lighter than Maluach.

And another positive factor that he already has is that he has a nice shooting touch from the FT line. 77% and his form is really good.

Hard worker. Plays and defends with pride in mind. The way he has progressed from 14 to 18 years old is impressive and everyone around him talks about his work ethic all the time.

I remember that Bender wasn't considered a + hard worker and he was more about "talent" and natural skills. Big difference.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#503 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:51 pm

starbosa10 wrote:
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starbosa10 wrote:I could live with buying out Beal (not my money lol). Just don't stretch him and hamstring 16m+ on our cap for 5 years

Buying him out also causes dead money and I think it really only frees up $10 million which still doesn’t put them under the second apron. Plus Beal has to agree with a buyout. Beal holds all the aces, suns hold nothing.


True but I think a normal non stretch buy out only has dead money for the 2 years left, not past the current length of the contract.

Still not a fan of a buyout/stretch. If we can't trade him, run him off the bench and deal allen/royce to get under the apron.

Next summer might be easier to trade him as a 50m expiring


I am not sure the Suns can buy him out at a reduced price as that would still be a lot of dead cap from what I understand. I like your plan - if palatable - meaning he is owed 53 and 57 but he takes basically 45 and 49 for instance - -Suns save some money but get the big expiring contract in two years
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Post#504 » by Saberestar » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:54 pm

So we have traded for #36 the Boston 2nd from 2030 and a weird 2nd from 2026 that would be presumably a not high 2nd because of his protections.

Good.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#505 » by SkyBill40 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:55 pm

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Suns Owe Beal: $110m

Chicago Owes:
Vuc: 21.5 or Zach Collins at 18m
PWill: $18m per year for fours $72m
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three players as candidates to get the math to work:
Ball - 10m - doubt they trade him
Jevon Carter: 6.8

most likely: Jalen Smith (friend of the family): 18.4 for two seasons

So that would 72 + 21 + 18 = 110m
but the Bulls can buyout Beal

Bulls fan want Mualach but the Suns already talked about him - I doubt he would be traded,

If the Suns take on Vuc, PWill and Smith - that would be 48.5m this year - -so some 4.5m
but they would have to be under the apron so good bye to Richards and probably Martin and Allen

Could Vuc have interest around the league -
Paying PWill the same amount as stretching Beal - at least its a body that can play on the court I guess
Would prefer Ball but Carter over Jalen Smith preferably since they are getting PWill


I don't want any part of that unless it's a matter of purging ourselves of Beal and then moving off of others that might come our way.
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Post#506 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:59 pm

If Bender was built like Maluach he would have been a god damn monster. Dude was just so weak.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#507 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:09 pm

dremill24 wrote:
King4Day wrote:I don't expect the nets to do it but man, if we could move Beal and the 5 or 6 2nds to the Nets for CamJo, that would be amazing.

Fills a need and gets us under the apron.


I can't imagine you're getting objectively good players like Johnson back for Beal if all you're adding is a few 2nds.


I know. Assuming a deal with Beal is on the table, I expect something like, to the Bulls for Pat Williams' bad contract.
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Post#508 » by sunsbum » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:11 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:If Bender was built like Maluach he would have been a god damn monster. Dude was just so weak.

I can’t wait to see Maluachs frame in 2 years. I’m just imagining this guy looking like Ben Wallace and being able to step out and hit 3s like brook lopez
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#509 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:12 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Nick Richards for 2025-26: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/29/25.

We have 3 days to decide about Richards contract.


I thought they already guaranteed it.


They would be mental not to exercise it. You can't tell me a team won't offer a 2nd or 2 to take him on.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#510 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:14 pm

garrick wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
King4Day wrote:I don't expect the nets to do it but man, if we could move Beal and the 5 or 6 2nds to the Nets for CamJo, that would be amazing.

Fills a need and gets us under the apron.


I can't imagine you're getting objectively good players like Johnson back for Beal if all you're adding is a few 2nds.


No way do the Nets let Cam Jo go for 5 seconds.

Jae brought the Nets three second rounders and Cam is a much more valuable player. They probably want a couple first rounders on top of it but do we even have any 1sts we are even able to trade?


We don't. I don't think they're getting 2 seconds unless they're garbage ones like we sent for Williams.
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Post#511 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:17 pm

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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#512 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:20 pm

Saberestar wrote:Gambo:
Suns have picks #52 and #59 in the second-round today. Would not be surprised if they attempt to move up using those picks and possibly a future second to target a player they like and feel could be a rotation piece for them.


Now that we have 36, I would package 52 and 59 and try trading for a future 2nd or 2 (even if heavily protected)
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Post#513 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:21 pm



That was a blogger speculating they could look at Richards as a trade candidate
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Post#514 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:22 pm

King4Day wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Gambo:
Suns have picks #52 and #59 in the second-round today. Would not be surprised if they attempt to move up using those picks and possibly a future second to target a player they like and feel could be a rotation piece for them.


Now that we have 36, I would package 52 and 59 and try trading for a future 2nd or 2 (even if heavily protected)


For sure the Suns don't need three second round picks -- they will do something with them

My guess: IF Beal is traded - two of those picks will be sent to the team stupid enough, err, I mean, smart enough to trade for Bradley Beal
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Post#515 » by Saberestar » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:23 pm


For $5M he can be a decent backup C for them.

What can we get for him?
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Post#516 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:24 pm

Oso has to go. He kinda stinks. We were so desperate for some positives last year, we talked ourselves into thinking he was “good”. He’s just not an NBA player. Trade him while he has some value. He can’t shoot. He’s undersized. He’s not particularly a good rebounder. He doesn’t block shots. His whole game consists of a 5 foot shot put shots and being open for a dunk.
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Post#517 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:26 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
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Suns Owe Beal: $110m

Chicago Owes:
Vuc: 21.5 or Zach Collins at 18m
PWill: $18m per year for fours $72m
and
three players as candidates to get the math to work:
Ball - 10m - doubt they trade him
Jevon Carter: 6.8

most likely: Jalen Smith (friend of the family): 18.4 for two seasons

So that would 72 + 21 + 18 = 110m
but the Bulls can buyout Beal

Bulls fan want Mualach but the Suns already talked about him - I doubt he would be traded


I'm honestly not a fan of this. Patrick Williams is a career loser IMO and is doing the bare minimum while on a pretty hefty contract. The Bulls are looking to get out of it, and I think Suns shouldn't be the suckers taking him. He's bulked up to play more PF, but he isn't tall enough IMO. He has majorly regressed since his rookie season. Personally, I think I'd prefer to just keep Beal because in 2026-27 season he'll be expiring and I think would be a good bargaining chip potentially.


I look at it this way. If it's between buying out Beal over 5 years, or paying Williams about the same amount over 4 or 5 years, I'll take the 'asset' and hope to at least deal him later.
In the meantime, it fits a need, so we take a flyer. Maybe it works, or maybe it doesn't.
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Post#518 » by KdoubleDees23 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:33 pm



Nick Richard’s & #36 for #32 and Payton Pritchard

Then 32 , 59 for 31 and get Fleming
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Post#519 » by Dr Manute » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:35 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Best available in our range

1. Rasheer Fleming, St. Joseph’s Hawks
Fleming was one of the most physically gifted players in the draft. He’s got great size at over 6' 8" without shoes with a 7' 5" wingspan and a chiseled frame. He has consistently improved after being overshadowed in high school by top recruits D.J. Wagner and Aaron Bradshaw, blossoming into a star this season at St. Joseph’s. He possesses real defensive versatility and shot 39% from three this season.

2. Maxime Raynaud, Stanford Cardinal
Raynaud played his way into serious first-round consideration at the NBA draft combine, but ended up falling to Day 2. He’ll be highly sought after early in Thursday’s second round, looking like a potential plug-and-play big man option whose ability to stretch the floor is his clearest ticket to NBA minutes.

3. Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton Bluejays
Kalkbrenner is an all-time great at Creighton after a monster five-year career. He’s not for everyone due to his slender frame and limited versatility, but it’s not hard to imagine him carving out a similar role on a contender to the one that Luke Kornet played so well for the Boston Celtics this season.

4. Noah Penda, Le Mans (France)
Penda is the type of ready-made role player everyone is looking for, a multi-positional forward with elite feel for the game who can add a lot of value without needing the ball in his hands. I expected to hear his name called in the latter part of the first round, and he shouldn’t have to wait long to get picked Thursday night.

5. Adou Thiero, Arkansas Razorbacks
Thiero is an elite defender, with the size, athleticism and motor to guard up and down the lineup and carve out early minutes that way. His inconsistencies as a three-point shooter and rumored concerns about his medicals likely contributed to his fall out of the first round, but he’s someone who has consistently gotten better over his three-year college career and has more upside to tap into still.

6. Kam Jones, Marquette Golden Eagles
Jones took to full-time point guard duties quite well in his senior year, dragging the Golden Eagles to the NCAA tournament. His three-point shooting numbers fell off big-time from his time playing off the ball, and he’s likely going to have to play the point at the next level due to his size. He’s worth a flier early in the second round as someone who has consistently produced at an elite level against top college competition.

7. Johni Broome, Auburn Tigers
Broome was neck-and-neck with Cooper Flagg for national player of the year honors for much of the year, blossoming into a dominant force over his five-year college career. He’s a limited athlete and will likely struggle defending in space at the next level, but there’s a role out there for someone as good on the boards as Broome is, especially when you add his continued offensive skill development to the picture.

8. Chaz Lanier, Tennessee Volunteers
Lanier is as elite a shooter as you’ll find, having made a ridiculous 123 triples at 40% this year as Tennessee’s top offensive option. He’s a late bloomer who just two years ago was a rising senior at North Florida having averaged fewer than five points per game the previous year. His athletic testing at the combine likely helped assuage concerns about him translating up to the next level.

https://www.si.com/nba/si-am-five-notes-from-the-nba-draft


Move Thiero to 4 ahead of Penda because Penda is really only 6'7 and not really dynamic at anything. Basically he's a mix of Abdul Nader and Ish Wainwright. Thiero is much more explosive, more dynamic and has a much higher ceiling as a two way power wing/ forward. He's also got that "Dog" in him more than anyone left in the 2nd round. :wink:


Rasheer Fleming or Adou Thiero at 36 and I'm happy.
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Post#520 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:36 pm

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He would now be my #2 on my big board for the 2nd round behind Maxime Raynaud, simply out of need positionally at the 4.

I have Maxime Raynaud at 1 bg because of his extreme skillset versatility and shooting compliment he'd bring alongside of Maluach and Williams. Overall the Suns hig board now (depending upon trade ranges) needs to become:

1- Maxime Raynaud.
2- Rasheer Fleming.
3- Adou Thiero. ( ** Then a floor spacing PF in trade or free agency).
4- Bogoljub Markovic.
5- Eric Dixon.

Late 2nd to undraftedrange options

1- Steven Settle.
2- David N'Guessan.
3- Igor Milicic.
4- Jackson Moni.
5- Milan Momcilovic.


Dude you got to be kidding me. With all the stuff you post and analyst time you take, you pick another C as your #1 for what we just drafted and traded, + have on our team.

The only legitimate board should be

1- Fleming (Fill in our PF depth)
2- Caleb Love (get that ready now back up PG from AZ)



I'd love Fleming and be more than happy with him man! But what people need to understand about Raynaud is that he's NOT just a protype center. He's a 7'1 incredibly skilled and smooth scorer, playmaker, and floor spacing big that HAS played both the 4 and the 5. He's just so versatile and his handle is so advanced that he really could play at either position.

Even when talking to scouts, they often rave about how Raynauds' handles and versatility, lateral mobility is so impressive and deceptive that it catches you by surprise! Turn your back for a moment and he'll blow by you and get to the rim rather easily.

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Yes, Maxime Raynaud can play at the forward position, and his versatility is noted as a key aspect of his game, with scouting reports often listing him as a power forward/center or a forward.

While he is a big man (7-foot-1), his offensive versatility, including his ability to shoot from deep and slash to the rim, suggests he could play more forward than a traditional center in the NBA.
Key points about his forward capabilities:
Positioning:


He is listed as a power forward/center, indicating a willingness to play roles that are not strictly traditional center positions.

Offensive Versatility:

Raynaud possesses skills that allow him to operate as a "stretch big" or a versatile forward, with the ability to post up, face up, shoot three-pointers, and attack closeouts.

NBA Fit:

While his perimeter defense needs to improve for the NBA, his offensive game suggests a potential role as a forward who can contribute to spacing and inside-out play.


https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4898371/maxime-raynaud
( Listed as a Forward).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/maxime-raynaud-1.html
( Listed as a Forward).

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/player/maxime-raynaud
( Listed as a Forward).

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/2025-nba-draft-maxime-raynaud-stats-highlights/714805/

Maxime Raynaud's
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Position: Power forward/Center
Height: 7-foot-1
Weight: 250 pounds
Birthdate: April 7, 2003
Birthplace: Paris, France
College: Stanford


So sure! He's played at both positions and at times at the center position out of necessity and due to his size. But that's why I make the Pau Gasol comparison because his skillset and archetype is just as versatile and dynamic. :nod:
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