Bulls trade #45 for #55 and....cash.

[eierluke]

We can't grade this action until free agency is over.
We do have
11 warranted contracts
1 player who'll likely pick up his player option (Carter)
1 player who is a restricted free agent, who we'll try to resign (Giddey)
1 st. rd. pick (yeaterday akquired
That is a total of 14 players
If AKME had in mind to resign upcoming free agent Tre Jones for the 15th and last roster spot when selling (more or less) our 2nd rd pick I'm fine with this move.

[jnrjr79]

This is, he might be able to trade 55 for a future second still. All he really did was take cash to move down, not to sell the pick. Maybe to people who actually deal with money, the difference in the likely success rate between 45 and 55 isn't worth getting say $3 mill and saving another mill or two. In the real world, millions of dollars mean something, even to billionaires. Maybe when we get cash, they feel they can spend more money elsewhere, even if it doesn't go directly to the cap. Or we can assume AK is greedy to get money that's not even coming to him, lol. I doubt "cash considerations" go to AK.

Only way greed comes into the picture is if the owner orders it, or the unlikely event AK gets some kind of huge bonus for those types of trades.

I don't know who "ordered" it, but the money goes right into the team's bank account and has no implications for the roster, so there isn't really any legitimate argument it's anything other than profiteering.

[dawhizz]

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[Infinity2152]

This is, he might be able to trade 55 for a future second still. All he really did was take cash to move down, not to sell the pick. Maybe to people who actually deal with money, the difference in the likely success rate between 45 and 55 isn't worth getting say $3 mill and saving another mill or two. In the real world, millions of dollars mean something, even to billionaires. Maybe when we get cash, they feel they can spend more money elsewhere, even if it doesn't go directly to the cap. Or we can assume AK is greedy to get money that's not even coming to him, lol. I doubt "cash considerations" go to AK.

Only way greed comes into the picture is if the owner orders it, or the unlikely event AK gets some kind of huge bonus for those types of trades.

I don't know who "ordered" it, but the money goes right into the team's bank account and has no implications for the roster, so there isn't really any legitimate argument it's anything other than profiteering.

I'm saying, AK makes the trades, not the owners. The money does not go to AK. So what is the motivation for AK to do this? Either we assume the owners instructed him to, or maybe these moves have more to do with it than adding money to the team's bank account. I guess it is possible the owners would give him a cut, but that's probably illegal. AK's check is guaranteed and he gets paid the same regardless of whether or not he sells a pick. Now AK's job IS to analyze the impact of a #45 picks salary on the team and decide if it fits the financial picture he's working with. It has an impact on the roster, the salary is less and if he trades the pick altogether we gain a roster spot without waiving anyone, potentially saving them millions more.

He could swap 55 for a future second today. Now we have a future second and cash for pick 45. You'd rather he'd have just traded #45 for the future second alone? Is it possible that's the plan?

[Dan Z]

The last time a player was picked #55 or lower and ended up being an NBA level player (not including Bronny) is Tracye Jackson-Davis at 57 in 2023. After that it's Aaron Wiggons and Jericho Sims (#55 and 58) in 2021.

It's possible that the Bulls get an NBA level player, but doubtful.

[Infinity2152]

Yeah, I'm hoping they trade 55 too and keep the roster spot open. That spot belongs to Tre Jones. At least 55 is probably a two-way, cheaper and we keep the regular roster spot open.

[kulaz3000]

Marc sounded completely disinterested in the second round pick in yesterdays presser, so I'm not surprised at all. Not to mention, the current roster slots, I think it was either draft someone and stash them, or to trade the pick completely.

I'd say they have a late second rounder they have in mind, who is likely an international player, who they believe will be available later in the second that they can just stash for a year or two, without much concern about whether they will eventually come over or not.

If it were me, and you were worried about roster spots and adding another rookie, and you weren't overly high on anyone in the second to warrant a roster spot, then fine, just trade the pick for a future second rounder - it's not rocket science. There is no issues kicking a second rounder can down the road to use another time, even as a trade asset. But to go down 10 spots, and with the major prize big money, is just idiocy and just shows little to no care about the franchises future.

It can't be stressed enough, whether it be Jerry or Michael, ownership only cares about profits, it's clear as day - this is why, they will continue to extend our front office because they will continue to ensure that the Bulls don't bottom out completely, but won't ever make moves to blow their budget and their bottom line, profits. The Bulls are never going to change until they are finally sold.

I've always been a Bulls fan, and will continue to, so the only hope is that we somehow luck out and get ourselves a franchise altering star player to make the journey enjoyable, though in the back of mind, I would hate it that this cheap incompetent ownership/front office reaps the rewards if this were to ever happen.

Disheartening, and yet completely unsurprising.

[burlydee]

We can't grade this action until free agency is over.
We do have
11 warranted contracts
1 player who'll likely pick up his player option (Carter)
1 player who is a restricted free agent, who we'll try to resign (Giddey)
1 st. rd. pick (yeaterday akquired
That is a total of 14 players
If AKME had in mind to resign upcoming free agent Tre Jones for the 15th and last roster spot when selling (more or less) our 2nd rd pick I'm fine with this move.

Why would the Bulls want to change nothing on a team that finished below .500?

Williams, Phillips and Terry have not shown enough to be guaranteed roster spots. Neither has Carter. We are carrying multiple free agents (Vuc, Collins, Huerter, Ayo, Coby) who will need cheaper replacements or new contracts. We need to be bringing talent through the door.

And you can trade a 2nd round pick for future picks or stash them on a 2 way contract. This is just base greed.

[Peelboy]

Marc sounded completely disinterested in the second round pick in yesterdays presser, so I'm not surprised at all. Not to mention, the current roster slots, I think it was either draft someone and stash them, or to trade the pick completely.

I'd say they have a late second rounder they have in mind, who is likely an international player, who they believe will be available later in the second that they can just stash for a year or two, without much concern about whether they will eventually come over or not.

If it were me, and you were worried about roster spots and adding another rookie, and you weren't overly high on anyone in the second to warrant a roster spot, then fine, just trade the pick for a future second rounder - it's not rocket science. There is no issues kicking a second rounder can down the road to use another time, even as a trade asset. But to go down 10 spots, and with the major prize big money, is just idiocy and just shows little to no care about the franchises future.

It can't be stressed enough, whether it be Jerry or Michael, ownership only cares about profits, it's clear as day - this is why, they will continue to extend our front office because they will continue to ensure that the Bulls don't bottom out completely, but won't ever make moves to blow their budget and their bottom line, profits. The Bulls are never going to change until they are finally sold.

I've always been a Bulls fan, and will continue to, so the only hope is that we somehow luck out and get ourselves a franchise altering star player to make the journey enjoyable, though in the back of mind, I would hate it that this cheap incompetent ownership/front office reaps the rewards if this were to ever happen.

Disheartening, and yet completely unsurprising.

This is exactly the point. the ONLY saving grace is if they do a deal for Beal, acquire some really useful assets, and use the $ to buy him out. Even then, the $7M or whatever cash they get is a drop in the bucket and would have been better used to at least get a future 2 (and probably should be cash and a future 2 since time value comes into play plus Lakers will be better than Bulls next year so go from 45 this year to 55 next year which is more like Mr Irrelevant this year).

[GoBlue72391]

Marc sounded completely disinterested in the second round pick in yesterdays presser, so I'm not surprised at all. Not to mention, the current roster slots, I think it was either draft someone and stash them, or to trade the pick completely.

I'd say they have a late second rounder they have in mind, who is likely an international player, who they believe will be available later in the second that they can just stash for a year or two, without much concern about whether they will eventually come over or not.

If it were me, and you were worried about roster spots and adding another rookie, and you weren't overly high on anyone in the second to warrant a roster spot, then fine, just trade the pick for a future second rounder - it's not rocket science. There is no issues kicking a second rounder can down the road to use another time, even as a trade asset. But to go down 10 spots, and with the major prize big money, is just idiocy and just shows little to no care about the franchises future.

It can't be stressed enough, whether it be Jerry or Michael, ownership only cares about profits, it's clear as day - this is why, they will continue to extend our front office because they will continue to ensure that the Bulls don't bottom out completely, but won't ever make moves to blow their budget and their bottom line, profits. The Bulls are never going to change until they are finally sold.

I've always been a Bulls fan, and will continue to, so the only hope is that we somehow luck out and get ourselves a franchise altering star player to make the journey enjoyable, though in the back of mind, I would hate it that this cheap incompetent ownership/front office reaps the rewards if this were to ever happen.

Disheartening, and yet completely unsurprising.

With roster spots being an issue, we could have put #45 on a two-way contract instead of the random G League bums who never amount to anything.

[GoBlue72391]

We can't grade this action until free agency is over.
We do have
11 warranted contracts
1 player who'll likely pick up his player option (Carter)
1 player who is a restricted free agent, who we'll try to resign (Giddey)
1 st. rd. pick (yeaterday akquired
That is a total of 14 players
If AKME had in mind to resign upcoming free agent Tre Jones for the 15th and last roster spot when selling (more or less) our 2nd rd pick I'm fine with this move.

Why would the Bulls want to change nothing on a team that finished below .500?

Williams, Phillips and Terry have not shown enough to be guaranteed roster spots. Neither has Carter. We are carrying multiple free agents (Vuc, Collins, Huerter, Ayo, Coby) who will need cheaper replacements or new contracts. We need to be bringing talent through the door.

And you can trade a 2nd round pick for future picks or stash them on a 2 way contract. This is just base greed.

Yeah, we have a ton of dead weight clogging up roster spots and salary. I'd like to see us trim the fat a bit, but I'm not holding my breath.

[GoBlue72391]

The last time a player was picked #55 or lower and ended up being an NBA level player (not including Bronny) is Tracye Jackson-Davis at 57 in 2023. After that it's Aaron Wiggons and Jericho Sims (#55 and 58) in 2021.

It's possible that the Bulls get an NBA level player, but doubtful.

Honestly that's more than I was expecting.

[Muzbar]

I expect the Bulls to pick someone and sign them to a 2-way.

[Dan Z]

The last time a player was picked #55 or lower and ended up being an NBA level player (not including Bronny) is Tracye Jackson-Davis at 57 in 2023. After that it's Aaron Wiggons and Jericho Sims (#55 and 58) in 2021.

It's possible that the Bulls get an NBA level player, but doubtful.

Honestly that's more than I was expecting.

Me too. I thought my answer was going to be that the last time a player was picked 55 or lower and was productive is 2001 or something like that.

[Dan Z]

I expect the Bulls to pick someone and sign them to a 2-way.

Maybe Rocco is still there at 55? I doubt it, but who knows.

[coldfish]

IMO Cash Considerations has a good first step and a developing jump shot. I think with Cash's length and motor, they could challenge Patrick for his minutes in the rotation.

Giddey
Coby
Cash considerations
Matas
Vucevic

[Muzbar]

I expect the Bulls to pick someone and sign them to a 2-way.

Maybe Rocco is still there at 55? I doubt it, but who knows.

Rocco at 55 and signed to a 2-way would be amazing. Would love to see him in the G-League for a bit.

[Dan Z]

I expect the Bulls to pick someone and sign them to a 2-way.

Maybe Rocco is still there at 55? I doubt it, but who knows.

Rocco at 55 and signed to a 2-way would be amazing. Would love to see him in the G-League for a bit.

Tankathon mocked him at 43 and Nbadraft.net at #49.

It's possible that the Bulls traded out of a position to take him.

[greenwing]

At this rate we might as well attempt to trade this second rounder for a future second pick in the hopes that it becomes an early one. At least that allows you to either attempt to re-sign Tre Jones or bring back Talen Horton-Tucker on a minimum deal.

[jnrjr79]

IMO Cash Considerations has a good first step and a developing jump shot. I think with Cash's length and motor, they could challenge Patrick for his minutes in the rotation.

Giddey
Coby
Cash considerations
Matas
Vucevic

Such a stupid take. With his low BBIQ, he’s never going to be able to stay on the floor. It’s almost like he’s an inanimate object.