Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[Magic#1]

How about this...

1. 46, 57 and Jett for 33 - pick Raynayd or Kalkbrenner (whatever your preference) - sheds $5.5M
2. Decline Moritz and resign for 2/15 - sheds $3.5M
3. Sign one of the Jones brothers for the TPMLE, 1 year deal - adds $5.7M
4. Trade Goga and two 2nds for Sam Hauser - adds $1.7M

Guards: Suggs, Bane, Black, Jones, Richardson
Wings/Forwards: Franz, Banchero, Hauser, Isaac, Houstan, Da Silva
Bigs: Carter, Moritz, 2nd round center

1 open roster spot. Approximately 2.9M or so under the first apron.

That is a thing of beauty. As balanced as we have been in a long time and still improving.

[yoyojw17]

The first round passed without a trade, which increases the odds we’re headed for a soft run-it-back scenario.

I just think that’s putting far too much faith in Jase, Jett, Caleb and TDS than is justified at the moment.

If any one of them steps up? Great!

But the expectations are too high to not have contingency plans for those guys in my opinion.

Totally fair take, and I do think the Bane trade signals a willingness to prioritize short-term wins over long-term development paths. Personally, I’d still explore moving JI, WCJ, and even Suggs if it meant improving our shooting and availability across the board. That said, it feels like the front office intentionally locked in the big rotation and is prepared to give Suggs more rope. We may not see more aggressive roster churn until next summer unless a clear value swing presents itself.

To me, there's just no rush for them. We still don't even know what we have from last year's attempted experiment... which was derailed by injury. If someone just sees... ".500 record.... #7 seed.... 1st round exit" people would think that a wholesale approach might be needed. but with the amount of regression, injury woes, untapped potential that exists on the team... they probably won't make anything drastic till the trade deadline.... unless another "we gotta take this opportunity" arises.

It all depends onand the FO assessment in the long run. They are the ones that are with them all the time.... and have a better grasp on their growth, recoveries, plans, etc. Sometimes patience works, sometimes it doesn't .... but so does making knee-jerk moves and moves that are done just to do something. If they think JI and Wendell can recoup value A. to the team... and B. on the market ... see how it goes. If they think that Jett had a rough year and they think highly of strides he's made off court and have confidence in it translating on the court.... they're not rushing to make those changes. But yup.... if opportunity arises and a player is the core or sweetener... so let it be... "thank you for your service".

[dsg2021]

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AB - one way defensive wing
Jase - who knows
Jett - not an nba player
TDS - not big enough to be a PF, not quick enough to be a SF. Arguably the only two way player off the bench.
Houstan - one way shooter that hasnt been a great shooter
Isaac - injury prone, one way, non-versatile PF
Moe Wagner - injured until January one way Center
Goga Bitdaze - One way defensive Center that was third string all last season and didnt see the playoffs.

Still not great.

I can't help but laugh out loud at this post, but not in a rude way or anything. Just to go full into your pessimistic mindset and translate what you are really trying to say

AB - trash
Jase - who knows what type of trash
Jett - omega trash
TDS - no position fits him, only a small piece of trash at least
Houstan - shooting piece of trash that guess what, can't shoot
Isaac - trash with a walking cane
Moe Wagner - one way player
Goga Bitdaze - more trash

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[dsg2021]

How about this...

1. 46, 57 and Jett for 33 - pick Raynayd or Kalkbrenner (whatever your preference) - sheds $3.8M
2. Decline Moritz and resign for 2/15 - sheds $3.5M
3. Sign one of the Jones brothers for the TPMLE, 1 year deal - adds $5.7M
4. Trade Goga and two 2nds for Sam Hauser - adds $1.7M

Guards: Suggs, Bane, Black, Jones, Richardson
Wings/Forwards: Franz, Banchero, Hauser, Isaac, Houstan, Da Silva
Bigs: Carter, Moritz, 2nd round center

1 open roster spot. Approximately 1.2M or so under the first apron.

I am not a Hauser fan for his contract values, let's look at NAW or GTJ.
I'm doing everything else you say to do. But I think Mo commands at least a little more and I pay it (or, hush-hush, we got your back with next contract in 2 years when MLEs are gone for us anyways).

[eyriq]

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AB - one way defensive wing
Jase - who knows
Jett - not an nba player
TDS - not big enough to be a PF, not quick enough to be a SF. Arguably the only two way player off the bench.
Houstan - one way shooter that hasnt been a great shooter
Isaac - injury prone, one way, non-versatile PF
Moe Wagner - injured until January one way Center
Goga Bitdaze - One way defensive Center that was third string all last season and didnt see the playoffs.

Still not great.

I can't help but laugh out loud at this post, but not in a rude way or anything. Just to go full into your pessimistic mindset and translate what you are really trying to say

AB - trash
Jase - who knows what type of trash
Jett - omega trash
TDS - no position fits him, only a small piece of trash at least
Houstan - shooting piece of trash that guess what, can't shoot
Isaac - trash with a walking cane
Moe Wagner - one way player
Goga Bitdaze - more trash

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This was hilarious!

Here's my take

AB - Third on the team in playoff PER, 66th percentile playmaker/98th percentile defender among guards his age or younger over last ten seasons
Jase - better than Reed
Jett - WeltGawd cooks, trust
TDS - Franz 0.5
Houstan - Shooting specialist starting to blossom
Isaac - healthy and a defensive playmaker
Moe Wagner - Portis/Naz type offensive big
Goga Bitdaze - led the team in win shares

[RookieStar]

How about this...

1. 46, 57 and Jett for 33 - pick Raynayd or Kalkbrenner (whatever your preference) - sheds $3.8M
2. Decline Moritz and resign for 2/15 - sheds $3.5M
3. Sign one of the Jones brothers for the TPMLE, 1 year deal - adds $5.7M
4. Trade Goga and two 2nds for Sam Hauser - adds $1.7M

Guards: Suggs, Bane, Black, Jones, Richardson
Wings/Forwards: Franz, Banchero, Hauser, Isaac, Houstan, Da Silva
Bigs: Carter, Moritz, 2nd round center

1 open roster spot. Approximately 1.2M or so under the first apron.

Im down... but we really trust raynaud/kalky to hold the fort until( if ever) moe comes back in january?

Thats like asking wcj and ji to handle the important C minutes

[VFX]

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AB - one way defensive wing
Jase - who knows
Jett - not an nba player
TDS - not big enough to be a PF, not quick enough to be a SF. Arguably the only two way player off the bench.
Houstan - one way shooter that hasnt been a great shooter
Isaac - injury prone, one way, non-versatile PF
Moe Wagner - injured until January one way Center
Goga Bitdaze - One way defensive Center that was third string all last season and didnt see the playoffs.

Still not great.

I can't help but laugh out loud at this post, but not in a rude way or anything. Just to go full into your pessimistic mindset and translate what you are really trying to say

AB - trash
Jase - who knows what type of trash
Jett - omega trash
TDS - no position fits him, only a small piece of trash at least
Houstan - shooting piece of trash that guess what, can't shoot
Isaac - trash with a walking cane
Moe Wagner - one way player
Goga Bitdaze - more trash

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To be fair.

I think Jase can be a very good player depending on the role and development. We need his offense.
Moe is very good off the bench.
I like Goga and he has value per his position.
AB has value too, but not in terms of what we need right now.

But yeah.. you nailed the rest.

[basketballRob]

Bane interview.

https://youtu.be/5WG3eRcl8mw?si=qsiskSoqsIVWg5gQ

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[Knightro]

Im down... but we really trust raynaud/kalky to hold the fort until( if ever) moe comes back in january?

Thats like asking wcj and ji to handle the important C minutes

I would imagine the Magic have a much better understanding of where Moe is at in his rehab than we do.

If they're confident he'll be back by the start of the season, perhaps that changes their thinking on what to do with Goga.

[RookieStar]

Im down... but we really trust raynaud/kalky to hold the fort until( if ever) moe comes back in january?

Thats like asking wcj and ji to handle the important C minutes

I would imagine the Magic have a much better understanding of where Moe is at in his rehab than we do.

If they're confident he'll be back by the start of the season, perhaps that changes their thinking on what to do with Goga.

Back for training camp? Wow... i mean all reports we read was that most optimistic estimate was December. So in Magic-speak thats January lol

But yeah... they know more than us and as usual they are more secretive than the CIA

[eyriq]

Where do things stand? Time to revisit the functional depth map:

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: AB
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: Jett
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

Remaining:
Guards: Jase
Forwards: Caleb, Penda
Bigs: Moritz

Looks like the clearest remaining need is another guard.

[RichCollab]

Where do things stand? Time to revisit the functional depth map:

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: AB
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: Jett
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

Remaining:
Guards: Jase
Forwards: Caleb, Penda
Bigs: Moritz

Looks like the clearest remaining need is another guard.

Can we add Levert or NAW at MLE? What money would that leave Moe?

[Redick07]

Where do things stand? Time to revisit the functional depth map:

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: AB
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: Jett
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

Remaining:
Guards: Jase
Forwards: Caleb, Penda
Bigs: Moritz

Looks like the clearest remaining need is another guard.

Can we add Levert or NAW at MLE? What money would that leave Moe?

We can decline MoW and Houstan first. That will give us full MLE. After signing Jase-Rich and decline MoW and Houstan, our cap will be approximately 183m(177.85 + J-Rich 3m + MoW bird right~2.1m)
Still under the Tax line(187.9m) so that we can use full MLE(14m) to sign NAW. Then, re-sign MoW(assume 24/3y, 7.5/8/8.5m)

However, all these operations will make us over 1st apron: 183+14+7.5 =204.5, almost reach the 2nd apron!

[eyriq]

Where do things stand? Time to revisit the functional depth map:

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: AB
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: Jett
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

Remaining:
Guards: Jase
Forwards: Caleb, Penda
Bigs: Moritz

Looks like the clearest remaining need is another guard.

Can we add Levert or NAW at MLE? What money would that leave Moe?

I don't think we can unlock the full NT-MLE AND keep Moritz. Seems like we can barely get the full $14.1M under the apron by waiving both Moritz and Houstan. Without a cap clearing move I fear a full NT-MLE player is off the table.

[eyriq]

Where do things stand? Time to revisit the functional depth map:

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: AB
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: Jett
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

Remaining:
Guards: Jase
Forwards: Caleb, Penda
Bigs: Moritz

Looks like the clearest remaining need is another guard.

Can we add Levert or NAW at MLE? What money would that leave Moe?

We can decline MoW and Houstan first. That will give us full MLE. After signing Jase-Rich and decline MoW and Houstan, our cap will be approximately 183m(177.85 + J-Rich 3m + MoW bird right~2.1m)
Still under the Tax line(187.9m) so that we can use full MLE(14m) to sign NAW. Then, re-sign MoW(assume 24/3y, 7.5/8/8.5m)

However, all these operations will make us over 1st apron: 183+14+7.5 =204.5, almost reach the 2nd apron!

Use of the full NT-MLE hard-caps you at the first apron. Your scenario would be illegal.

[Redick07]

Can we add Levert or NAW at MLE? What money would that leave Moe?

We can decline MoW and Houstan first. That will give us full MLE. After signing Jase-Rich and decline MoW and Houstan, our cap will be approximately 183m(177.85 + J-Rich 3m + MoW bird right~2.1m)
Still under the Tax line(187.9m) so that we can use full MLE(14m) to sign NAW. Then, re-sign MoW(assume 24/3y, 7.5/8/8.5m)

However, all these operations will make us over 1st apron: 183+14+7.5 =204.5, almost reach the 2nd apron!

Use of the full NT-MLE hard-caps you at the first apron. Your scenario would be illegal.

Yah you are right. I missed it.
If our cap is 183m, we can only use parts of MLE(195.9-183=12.9)

[cedric76]

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AB - one way defensive wing
Jase - who knows
Jett - not an nba player
TDS - not big enough to be a PF, not quick enough to be a SF. Arguably the only two way player off the bench.
Houstan - one way shooter that hasnt been a great shooter
Isaac - injury prone, one way, non-versatile PF
Moe Wagner - injured until January one way Center
Goga Bitdaze - One way defensive Center that was third string all last season and didnt see the playoffs.

Still not great.

I can't help but laugh out loud at this post, but not in a rude way or anything. Just to go full into your pessimistic mindset and translate what you are really trying to say

AB - trash
Jase - who knows what type of trash
Jett - omega trash
TDS - no position fits him, only a small piece of trash at least
Houstan - shooting piece of trash that guess what, can't shoot
Isaac - trash with a walking cane
Moe Wagner - one way player
Goga Bitdaze - more trash

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Great translation

[eyriq]

We can decline MoW and Houstan first. That will give us full MLE. After signing Jase-Rich and decline MoW and Houstan, our cap will be approximately 183m(177.85 + J-Rich 3m + MoW bird right~2.1m)
Still under the Tax line(187.9m) so that we can use full MLE(14m) to sign NAW. Then, re-sign MoW(assume 24/3y, 7.5/8/8.5m)

However, all these operations will make us over 1st apron: 183+14+7.5 =204.5, almost reach the 2nd apron!

Use of the full NT-MLE hard-caps you at the first apron. Your scenario would be illegal.

Yah you are right. I missed it.
If our cap is 183m, we can only use parts of MLE(195.9-183=12.9)

It's a tricky spot. I'm really curious how they navigate it. Unless they’re fully counting on Jett or Jase to seize that fourth guard role, it feels almost certain they’ll decline Moritz’s option to preserve flexibility for a backcourt addition.

[drsd]

Where do things stand? Time to revisit the functional depth map:

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: AB
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: Jett
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

Remaining:
Guards: Jase
Forwards: Caleb, Penda
Bigs: Moritz

Looks like the clearest remaining need is another guard.

I 100% agree with this logically. And the clear weak links (areas to improve) are "Swingman" and "Combo forward".

The Magic really need better depth at the wing!

[orlando_joe]

Use of the full NT-MLE hard-caps you at the first apron. Your scenario would be illegal.

Yah you are right. I missed it.
If our cap is 183m, we can only use parts of MLE(195.9-183=12.9)

It's a tricky spot. I'm really curious how they navigate it. Unless they’re fully counting on Jett or Jase to seize that fourth guard role, it feels almost certain they’ll decline Moritz’s option to preserve flexibility for a backcourt addition.

do not see magic using mle at all and then pay tax on it for a guy that really there is not many min for ..i mean you guys really see them paying upwards of what 30 mill with tax for a 15 maybe 20 min guy? not even sure that many min..unless you see black getting only 5 or 10? zero for jase or jett i mean only 30-35 maybe of backup guard min total...look for a cojo type vet min deal