2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[Rapaz]

Funeral atmosphere on Portland sports radio today. They really hate the Chinese kid that the team drafted.

This here is a hall-of-fame-level Portland hater, going out of his way to tune in to local sports radio to delight in the meltdowns.

DusterBuster and JRoy tears will feed families.

[SA37]

For the record, Herro is a better player than Reaves. But IMO, the difference is not so significant to have that big of a contract disparity.

Still, I think Herro gets underrated regularly and Reaves overrated because he’s a Laker. It is what it is.

Monk is a clear tier below either player, but solid enough as a spot starter or sixth man bucket getter. A modern day Jamal Crawford type.

Probably the only area I think Herro is clearly better than Reaves is in big shots. Herro really steps up late in the 4th and he hits a ton of big shots. That is something I don't think we can say about Reaves. In every other facet, we can argue one way or another, but it's close.

[Vertical Limit]

Me personally, if the kings called and said we want Herro we will give you Monk and Derozan, im pulling the trigger before they come to their senses.. and the kings can be the ones who give Herro 3/150 million

Guys like herro, reeves, giddey, coby white, lavine.. i have them all in the same tier.. theyre not stars, theyre roleplayers and definitely not a first or second option on a real contending championship team.

If some stupid team wants to give Herro 3 years 150 million, Reeves 4 years 120/130 million, lavine 5 years 215 million… that is their stupid problem. It cant be the Heat’s problem. We are not the Hornets where they sign these Gordon Hayward types to 4 years 120 and treadmill with that limited talent.

And to add to that All those bad contract offerings is how you end up like the wizards, giving those kinds of players gigantic unmovable contracts for limited talent.. giving kuzma 4/90 million.. why…

beal 5 years 250.. great **** contract….. never moved the needle once in washington or phoenix… i remember when he became available by the wizards i was like beal and herro are the exact same player, wouldnt make a difference we would be paying more money for a wash in wins/productivity. Except beal’s contract was and is horrific, and we had not even given herro his extension yet.

Now ill take beal for the simple fact that i want to squeeze phoenix of first round picks in exchange of expirings which they badly need… and he can stay home and not wear a jersey for all i care. But if they dont offer at least 2 firsts then no thank you we keep our expirings..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Bam disrespect is getting WILD.

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, but he's a third option.

This.

I will give Bam a little bit of a break because he is on a team that consistently has one of the most garbage offenses season after season. I don't think he has any inclination to be an offensive monster, so I don't know how much being in another system would change our opinion of Adebayo. He has developed a mid-range game and and now a 3-point shot. So he has clearly worked to become an offensive threat.

I just don't know how much of his lack of aggressiveness on offense is him and how much is him playing within the constraints of a bad offensive system for his output.

If Bam has the luxury of playing next to the playmakers a lot of the other guys did he’d be viewed completely different by this fanbase. The outside world rates him pretty highly regardless of that though. Fans of the Lakers, spurs, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are all hope trafficking Bam trades after missing out on KD, I’m hoping they get their wish

[MartyConlonJr]

Now ill take beal for the simple fact that i want to squeeze phoenix of first round picks in exchange of expirings which they badly need… and he can stay home and not wear a jersey for all i care. But if they dont offer at least 2 firsts then no thank you we keep our expirings..

Does Phoenix even have tradeable picks anymore? I think they used them all last night?

[MartyConlonJr]

I haven't read back on the whole Herro vs Reaves debate, but the one thing I do like about Reaves is his ability to draw fouls. To me, drawing fouls is a star quality that separates them from the rest, but for whatever reason, Reaves just does not pass that eye test for me, and I do wonder on a team without LeBron whether his foul rate would be the same, both from a roster construction and a rigging perspective.

[SA37]

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, but he's a third option.

This.

I will give Bam a little bit of a break because he is on a team that consistently has one of the most garbage offenses season after season. I don't think he has any inclination to be an offensive monster, so I don't know how much being in another system would change our opinion of Adebayo. He has developed a mid-range game and and now a 3-point shot. So he has clearly worked to become an offensive threat.

I just don't know how much of his lack of aggressiveness on offense is him and how much is him playing within the constraints of a bad offensive system for his output.

If Bam has the luxury of playing next to the playmakers a lot of the other guys did he’d be viewed completely different by this fanbase. The outside world rates him pretty highly regardless of that though. Fans of the Lakers, spurs, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are all hope trafficking Bam trades after missing out on KD, I’m hoping they get their wish

A change of scenery can help, as can playing with a true play-making point guard. You'd still be making a heavy bet if you traded for Bam expecting he'd be a legit 2nd option/part-time 1st option. That would likely require Adebayo to score in the 25ppg range.

In any case, I can't imagine Riley trading Bam for anyone other than Jokic or Giannis or someone along those lines.

[Hallstar]

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, but he's a third option.

This.

I will give Bam a little bit of a break because he is on a team that consistently has one of the most garbage offenses season after season. I don't think he has any inclination to be an offensive monster, so I don't know how much being in another system would change our opinion of Adebayo. He has developed a mid-range game and and now a 3-point shot. So he has clearly worked to become an offensive threat.

I just don't know how much of his lack of aggressiveness on offense is him and how much is him playing within the constraints of a bad offensive system for his output.

If Bam has the luxury of playing next to the playmakers a lot of the other guys did he’d be viewed completely different by this fanbase. The outside world rates him pretty highly regardless of that though. Fans of the Lakers, spurs, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are all hope trafficking Bam trades after missing out on KD, I’m hoping they get their wish

no amount of playmakers can help when his midrange goes cold. That's a brick factory regardless of who is passing. Remember the reason he might be lowly assisted as you claim is you have to make the shot for it to be an assist

[SA37]

I haven't read back on the whole Herro vs Reaves debate, but the one thing I do like about Reaves is his ability to draw fouls. To me, drawing fouls is a star quality that separates them from the rest, but for whatever reason, Reaves just does not pass that eye test for me, and I do wonder on a team without LeBron whether his foul rate would be the same, both from a roster construction and a rigging perspective.

It started as a debate on how much he was worth (he turned down 4-years, $90M from the Lakers).

In the small sample we have of Reaves playing without LeBron and/or Luka (according to 3ammy), he has excelled. If Ware, Herro, Bam...etc played above his average level in a comparable situation, we'd be crowning them with every accolade possible.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This.

I will give Bam a little bit of a break because he is on a team that consistently has one of the most garbage offenses season after season. I don't think he has any inclination to be an offensive monster, so I don't know how much being in another system would change our opinion of Adebayo. He has developed a mid-range game and and now a 3-point shot. So he has clearly worked to become an offensive threat.

I just don't know how much of his lack of aggressiveness on offense is him and how much is him playing within the constraints of a bad offensive system for his output.

If Bam has the luxury of playing next to the playmakers a lot of the other guys did he’d be viewed completely different by this fanbase. The outside world rates him pretty highly regardless of that though. Fans of the Lakers, spurs, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are all hope trafficking Bam trades after missing out on KD, I’m hoping they get their wish

no amount of playmakers can help when his midrange goes cold. That's a brick factory regardless of who is passing. Remember the reason he might be lowly assisted as you claim is you have to make the shot for it to be an assist

I’m speaking more on the countless wide open dunks and set shots these other guys are getting in actions compared to Bam isolation 2 dribble pull up midrangers contested by 2 guys. Which is all reflected by % of assisted baskets but I realize that’s a little too advanced for someone who thinks we’d be worse if we swapped Giannis with Herro as you told me about a month or so ago

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This.

I will give Bam a little bit of a break because he is on a team that consistently has one of the most garbage offenses season after season. I don't think he has any inclination to be an offensive monster, so I don't know how much being in another system would change our opinion of Adebayo. He has developed a mid-range game and and now a 3-point shot. So he has clearly worked to become an offensive threat.

I just don't know how much of his lack of aggressiveness on offense is him and how much is him playing within the constraints of a bad offensive system for his output.

If Bam has the luxury of playing next to the playmakers a lot of the other guys did he’d be viewed completely different by this fanbase. The outside world rates him pretty highly regardless of that though. Fans of the Lakers, spurs, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are all hope trafficking Bam trades after missing out on KD, I’m hoping they get their wish

no amount of playmakers can help when his midrange goes cold. That's a brick factory regardless of who is passing. Remember the reason he might be lowly assisted as you claim is you have to make the shot for it to be an assist

And Timmy when I reference Herro fans who **** on Bam while doing far more for the organization than Herro has, this is the type of stuff I’m talking about lol. Pointing it out because you say you never see it

[Hallstar]

If Bam has the luxury of playing next to the playmakers a lot of the other guys did he’d be viewed completely different by this fanbase. The outside world rates him pretty highly regardless of that though. Fans of the Lakers, spurs, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are all hope trafficking Bam trades after missing out on KD, I’m hoping they get their wish

no amount of playmakers can help when his midrange goes cold. That's a brick factory regardless of who is passing. Remember the reason he might be lowly assisted as you claim is you have to make the shot for it to be an assist

I’m speaking more on the countless wide open dunks and set shots these other guys are getting in actions compared to Bam isolation 2 dribble pull up midrangers contested by 2 guys. Which is all reflected by % of assisted baskets but I realize that’s a little too advanced for someone who thinks we’d be worse if we swapped Giannis with Herro as you told me about a month or so ago

So you're saying you don't remember all the open jumpers off pick and pop that Bam missed? Who are these players scoring 20 a game on assisted dunks?

[DayofMourning]

So far the Butler trade is:

Wiggins (still TBD)
Davion
7th best prospect in 2025 draft

[MartyConlonJr]

So far the Butler trade is:

Wiggins (still TBD)
Davion
7th best prospect in 2025 draft

I can't allow myself to look at the 20th pick that way until it does things. I'm sure Maciej Lampe had the Knicks cheering at one point when he was projected top 5 and picked 30th.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

no amount of playmakers can help when his midrange goes cold. That's a brick factory regardless of who is passing. Remember the reason he might be lowly assisted as you claim is you have to make the shot for it to be an assist

I’m speaking more on the countless wide open dunks and set shots these other guys are getting in actions compared to Bam isolation 2 dribble pull up midrangers contested by 2 guys. Which is all reflected by % of assisted baskets but I realize that’s a little too advanced for someone who thinks we’d be worse if we swapped Giannis with Herro as you told me about a month or so ago

So you're saying you don't remember all the open jumpers off pick and pop that Bam missed? Who are these players scoring 20 a game on assisted dunks?

Sure, nobody makes 100% of the shots they take. His shooting percentages from mid range and in are very comparable to quite a few players you probably think are better. Better than guys like Mobley, Chet, Embitch, Randle, Collins, Towns, Porzingis, Lauri, Turner, Naz, etc. so he must be hitting those those open jumpers off a pick and pop at a pretty solid rate compared to his peers!

Players who are fed shots at a higher clip than Bam? Towns, Sabonis, Mobley, Jokic, Zubac, Collins, Chet, Ayton, Naz, Wemby, Lauri, Vucevic, Allen, Porzingis, Turner, etc.

[DayofMourning]

So far the Butler trade is:

Wiggins (still TBD)
Davion
7th best prospect in 2025 draft

I can't allow myself to look at the 20th pick that way until it does things. I'm sure Maciej Lampe had the Knicks cheering at one point when he was projected top 5 and picked 30th.

Yeah. I was holding back. Ive got him as the 3rd best prospect now;)

[DayofMourning]

Still waiting for the Wiggs trade to go thru.

Flip Knecht to Charlotte for 32 and our 1st rounder back.

Draft Kalkbeater and enter the season with no positional holes.

[Vertical Limit]

Im not going to put too much expectation on kasparas yet.. if hes dragic.. or shaun livingston with a 3 point shot.. im good with that.. right now im higher on davion over him.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Still waiting for the Wiggs trade to go thru.

Flip Knecht to Charlotte for 32 and our 1st rounder back.

Draft Kalkbeater and enter the season with no positional holes.

Not Fleming?

[DayofMourning]

Still waiting for the Wiggs trade to go thru.

Flip Knecht to Charlotte for 32 and our 1st rounder back.

Draft Kalkbeater and enter the season with no positional holes.

Not Fleming?

Ive been reading that hes a slow processor. Thats y he fell.

I can only handle so many of those dudes.

Id also like to have another big man to help rim protect, which Kalk is decent at.