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lewdog wrote:Has there ever been a productive, marginal Aussie player EVER in the history of the NBA?
I'm kind of thinking our young Rocco isn't going to be the first.
Horrible night.
younggunsmn wrote:So what guards out there who are going to go undrafted that are worth a 2 way contract?
Domejandro wrote:younggunsmn wrote:Domejandro wrote:He’s pretty far behind even players like Jesse Edwards when it comes to on-the-court impact, it’s just that he (hopefully) has significantly more upside.
Honestly, the team would benefit from getting him on a two-way, rather than wasting his cheap rookie-deal years on a season where he has no chance in hell of getting NBA minutes. Only real restriction is that he wouldn’t be able to play in the Playoffs, which would (God willing) never happen this season.
Nobody is behind Jesse Edwards in on-court impact!
I think the Jaylen Clarke two way was a bit of an aberration in that he was going to miss the whole season to injury and he was picked at 51.
The better path is to let Rocco keep developing in Australia for a year or two.
The danger there is that he gets a big buck offer in Europe and all of a sudden you are no longer able to bring him over for your Hinkie special.
The Hinkie special (2nd round pick exception, rookie min 2yr+2 team options) could actually save us a mil against the tax this year.
And having a huge shotblocker with a 9'6.5 reach as your 3rd big is not the worst thing in the world either.
I think a 2 way is the worst option and I wouldn't leave him overseas for more than one year.
But thats just me.
Respectfully disagree, there is a tremendous amount of value in getting a player integrated into your system and development staff. The two-way exists exactly for situations where a player is extremely raw, but you want to play a direct role in their development.
moss_is_1 wrote:younggunsmn wrote:So what guards out there who are going to go undrafted that are worth a 2 way contract?
Nembhard, Mark Sears, Dink Pate, and Hunter Sallis.
younggunsmn wrote:winforlose wrote:younggunsmn wrote:
Nobody is behind Jesse Edwards in on-court impact.
I think the Jaylen Clarke two way was a bit of an aberration in that he was going to miss the whole season to injury and he was picked at 51.
The better path is to let him keep developing in Australia for a year or two.
The danger there is that he gets a big buck offer in Europe and all of a sudden you are no longer able to bring him over for your Hinkie special.
The Hinkie special (2nd round pick exception, rookie min 2+2 team options) could actually save us a mil against the tax this year.
And having a huge shotblocker with a 9'6.5 reach as your 3rd big is not the worst thing in the world either.
I think a 2 way is the worst option and I wouldnt leave him overseas for more than one year.
But thats just me.
Chris Finch loves Luka Garza. So much so that he would rather let Garza sabotage a game (happened multiple times,) then risk letting Leonard Miller try and play in competitive minutes. I don’t see Finch letting TC dump Garza for RZ. I personally think Garza is more mascot than player and a waste of a roster spot, but that is where we are. As for the Hinkie, cannot we keep RZ for two years as a two way, then Hinkie him for another 4?
I don't think so. I think the 2 way years count against a players restricted free agency, which you can only get up to year 4 I think.
winforlose wrote:younggunsmn wrote:winforlose wrote:
Chris Finch loves Luka Garza. So much so that he would rather let Garza sabotage a game (happened multiple times,) then risk letting Leonard Miller try and play in competitive minutes. I don’t see Finch letting TC dump Garza for RZ. I personally think Garza is more mascot than player and a waste of a roster spot, but that is where we are. As for the Hinkie, cannot we keep RZ for two years as a two way, then Hinkie him for another 4?
I don't think so. I think the 2 way years count against a players restricted free agency, which you can only get up to year 4 I think.
Okay, but what if you keep him as a two way for those two years, then offer him a 4 year deal with minimum money and two years non guaranteed. Isn’t that the Hinkie special?
younggunsmn wrote:winforlose wrote:younggunsmn wrote:
I don't think so. I think the 2 way years count against a players restricted free agency, which you can only get up to year 4 I think.
Okay, but what if you keep him as a two way for those two years, then offer him a 4 year deal with minimum money and two years non guaranteed. Isn’t that the Hinkie special?
I think the 2nd round pick exception is only available in the first year (correct me if I'm wrong).
Example: we couldn't use that rule to give Jaylen Clarke a 4 year deal when we converted his 2-way this season because he was in his 2nd year.
So he's currently on a 2 year deal because we were 2nd aproned and had no exceptions to use but the minimum player exception which only goes 2 years. So he will be a restricted free agent after this year.
We went the 2-way route with Clarke and will only get 3 years that are cheap because he is a draft pick/1st year player.
You can do a hinkie type deal after year one, just have to use cap space or an exception.
But for agents, years extended out past when a player could be an unrestricted free agent cost more. That's just the way it is.
dschroeder01 wrote:?t=JlA2hKbJXu7Nm0G9ebGAww&s=19
Connelly basically told us last week that we weren't going to roster 2 rookies. It's about roster spots. I liked Fleming as much as anyone, but they weren't going to add another young guy beyond our already full group of youth.
dschroeder01 wrote:?t=JlA2hKbJXu7Nm0G9ebGAww&s=19
Connelly basically told us last week that we weren't going to roster 2 rookies. It's about roster spots. I liked Fleming as much as anyone, but they weren't going to add another young guy beyond our already full group of youth.
They could have moved on from Garza for a roster spot, but then you're giving a multi year deal to a 2nd rounder which they obviously don't want to do. Garza only has the 1 year option left.moss_is_1 wrote:dschroeder01 wrote:?t=JlA2hKbJXu7Nm0G9ebGAww&s=19
Connelly basically told us last week that we weren't going to roster 2 rookies. It's about roster spots. I liked Fleming as much as anyone, but they weren't going to add another young guy beyond our already full group of youth.
Interesting. I guess they do still have high hopes for Miller and Minott. Not wanting to lose Garza is a bit strange though.
dschroeder01 wrote:Wolves summer league team gonna be fun!
Dilly throwing lobster to Beringer and Rocco. I'm assuming Clark and Shannon play, but maybe not? Miller should, but he's already done it twice (though Minott played 3).
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:younggunsmn wrote:winforlose wrote:
Okay, but what if you keep him as a two way for those two years, then offer him a 4 year deal with minimum money and two years non guaranteed. Isn’t that the Hinkie special?
I think the 2nd round pick exception is only available in the first year (correct me if I'm wrong).
Example: we couldn't use that rule to give Jaylen Clarke a 4 year deal when we converted his 2-way this season because he was in his 2nd year.
So he's currently on a 2 year deal because we were 2nd aproned and had no exceptions to use but the minimum player exception which only goes 2 years. So he will be a restricted free agent after this year.
We went the 2-way route with Clarke and will only get 3 years that are cheap because he is a draft pick/1st year player.
You can do a hinkie type deal after year one, just have to use cap space or an exception.
But for agents, years extended out past when a player could be an unrestricted free agent cost more. That's just the way it is.
As I was writing out my response something occurred to me. Because we are over the cap we are limited in the contracts we can offer without bird rights. As a two way do we acquire bird rights for RZ?
dschroeder01 wrote:?t=JlA2hKbJXu7Nm0G9ebGAww&s=19
Connelly basically told us last week that we weren't going to roster 2 rookies. It's about roster spots. I liked Fleming as much as anyone, but they weren't going to add another young guy beyond our already full group of youth.
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