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2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion

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What is your draft grade?

A+ (Home run)
9
16%
A (Excellent value and fit)
34
59%
B (Safe, reasonable picks)
11
19%
C (Average pick, modest impact)
3
5%
D (Risky, poor value)
1
2%
E (Very poor value or fit)
0
No votes
Fail (Disaster/wasted opportunity)
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No votes
 
Total votes: 58

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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#821 » by dremill24 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:34 am

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How is this true ? Rockets own '27 pick. We likely get MEM '26 1st round pick after all swaps.


The Suns own another 'worst of 3-4 teams' 1st in '27, not their own. They got it from Utah when they traded their '31 1st there.

The '26 pick is gone. It was swapped and swapped because they werent allowed to trade it due to not having a '25 or '27 pick. But once they did the Jazz deal I mentioned, they unlocked the ability to move the '26 one, which they sent to Charlotte in the Nurkic deal. So Charlotte is getting that 'worst of 3-4 teams' pick in '26 now.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#822 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:35 am

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I am not a fan, but Gambo today said that Tyus Jones might want to come back.

Maybe Tyus could be more successful with a new coach that does not run an offense that tells the point guard to hand off to either Book or KD after he dribbles past mid court.

He is small but does have a great career assist to turnover ratio.

Reduce turnovers and get more rebounds. That means more shots. We drafted and traded for guys that will improve this teams rebounding. Next limit turnovers. If we do those two things we will be better than last year and not so depressing to watch.

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I have no idea if this is real or not but after last season, I can't really see why he would. I don't know what his market is but he did apparently take less money for the starting opportunity with the Suns so I can't imagine he wants to forego money again to stick around for vet min +10% or whatever


I don't think Tyus will re-sign, but if the Suns can move Beal he'd actually be a much better fit than last year.

Tyus would actually be in a position to create rather than his role last year, which was dribble the ball up court and hand it over to one of our' big' 3.

Tyus / Gillespie
Booker / Green
Brooks / O'Neal
Dunn / Fleming / Oso
Williams / Maluach / Richards

* assuming both Beal and Allen are no longer with the team next year. Ofcourse, whoever we'd get in return might still be included in our rotation.

That's plenty of size and hopefully good defense to make up for Tyus deficiencies.

Second apron rules have made it a lot more difficult for players like Tyus to get quality deals, he might consider taking a pay again cut this year for a starting spot guarantee and a wing-wing deal with Isbiah to get a payday next season.

Maybe you're right beggars can't be choosers. If he's given more opportunities to be the lead guard rather than just taking the ball up and relocating to become a shooter then sure I'll be more intrigued.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#823 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:36 am

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I like Dunn and Fleming's potential, but saying they are the Suns long term solution is jumping the gun. I would leave such calls on young stars like a Scottie Barnes or an Amen Thompson, both proven cornerstones. Dunn and Fleming have very good potential but arent there yet.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#824 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:38 am

DirtyDez wrote:I think we’re gonna buy out Beal to the minimum amount required to get under 15% of the stretch provision. The motivation for him is he gets out from a team that doesn’t want him and becomes a free agent while still making his near max regardless.

I hope Beals saves us from ourselves then
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#825 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:40 am

Mark Williams is going to ask for 20M a year 3-4 year contract, he is a good player, but to get him for such a low cost really suggest there is an issue with his physicals. Yesterday I commented on the rumour I read, and its about him having undiagnosed cancer, I hope its 100% untrue, but why wouldnt Charlotte want to extend him... he is a 15/10 big man who is 23 years old.

What is the catch.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#826 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:43 am

thamadkant wrote:Mark Williams is going to ask for 20M a year 3-4 year contract, he is a good player, but to get him for such a low cost really suggest there is an issue with his physicals. Yesterday I commented on the rumour I read, and its about him having undiagnosed cancer, I hope its 100% untrue, but why wouldnt Charlotte want to extend him... he is a 15/10 big man who is 23 years old.

What is the catch.

It's also possible that relationship is broken after they actually traded him only for LA to void the trade.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#827 » by sunsbg » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:45 am

dremill24 wrote:
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How is this true ? Rockets own '27 pick. We likely get MEM '26 1st round pick after all swaps.


The Suns own another 'worst of 3-4 teams' 1st in '27, not their own. They got it from Utah when they traded their '31 1st there.

The '26 pick is gone. It was swapped and swapped because they werent allowed to trade it due to not having a '25 or '27 pick. But once they did the Jazz deal I mentioned, they unlocked the ability to move the '26 one, which they sent to Charlotte in the Nurkic deal. So Charlotte is getting that 'worst of 3-4 teams' pick in '26 now.


Forgot about sending a first in Nurkic trade. So let's enjoy the rookies as only Booker trade will make following next few drafts interesting and indication is he's here to stay as a franchise face for next 4-5 seasons.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#828 » by SkyBill40 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:46 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:Mark Williams is going to ask for 20M a year 3-4 year contract, he is a good player, but to get him for such a low cost really suggest there is an issue with his physicals. Yesterday I commented on the rumour I read, and its about him having undiagnosed cancer, I hope its 100% untrue, but why wouldnt Charlotte want to extend him... he is a 15/10 big man who is 23 years old.

What is the catch.

It's also possible that relationship is broken after they actually traded him only for LA to void the trade.
That's definitely a point of contention for him to be sure. And now that he's here, he'll have four times a year to show them they were wrong. I just hope his health holds and he's able to put in the work and be the gritty banger we've needed since Amare left town. And if he can't be that guy, at least we took steps to protect ourselves moving forward in Maluach.

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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#829 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:48 am

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Evan Sidery is such a car salesman.

I like Dunn and Fleming's potential, but saying they are the Suns long term solution is jumping the gun. I would leave such calls on young stars like a Scottie Barnes or an Amen Thompson, both proven cornerstones. Dunn and Fleming have very good potential but arent there yet.

I tend to agree. Also I’m not really Sold on Dunn yet. I like his defense but his game is not well rounded. Still not 100% comfortable with him on the floor long periods of time.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#830 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:50 am

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thamadkant wrote:Mark Williams is going to ask for 20M a year 3-4 year contract, he is a good player, but to get him for such a low cost really suggest there is an issue with his physicals. Yesterday I commented on the rumour I read, and its about him having undiagnosed cancer, I hope its 100% untrue, but why wouldnt Charlotte want to extend him... he is a 15/10 big man who is 23 years old.

What is the catch.

It's also possible that relationship is broken after they actually traded him only for LA to void the trade.
That's definitely a point of contention for him to be sure. And now that he's here, he'll have four times a year to show them they were wrong. I just hope his health holds and he's able to put in the work and be the gritty banger we've needed since Amare left town. And if he can't be that guy, at least we took steps to protect ourselves moving forward in Maluach.

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Mark Williams is more finesse than power. He makes Ayton look like Shawn Kemp
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#831 » by DirtyDez » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:52 am

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DirtyDez wrote:I think we’re gonna buy out Beal to the minimum amount required to get under 15% of the stretch provision. The motivation for him is he gets out from a team that doesn’t want him and becomes a free agent while still making his near max regardless.

I hope Beals saves us from ourselves then


He would save ourselves from about $200m in repeater tax hits.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#832 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:53 am

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A little early to be making these kinda claims :lol:


Will be looking forward to the reflective assessment comparison in a season or two! Feel free to bookmark it if you like and we can revisit it more in depth. :D


Im not saying they wont be good but at THIS point you absolutely cannot be taking a victory lap that they have worked out and met their potential lol


For sure it's fair to withhold an assessment for the outcome of whether or not they've met their potential, But even on the premise of a surface level assessment based on a smaller sample size comparison between just the last two drafts with Ishbia on board and Geegory as draft advisor wherein we identified not only Toumani Camara in the late 2nd round.

But the following draft we also identified Ryan Dunn and Oso Ighodaro too. Now compare that to Jones' watch where in 21' he traded our 29th pick, passing on players like Herb Jones, Miles McBride, and Day'Ron Sharpe in interest of Landry Shamet and then overpaid for him before even establishing market value.

And then in 2022, not even acquiring a draft pick in the entire draft. And the comparison is pretty glaringly not in favor of Jones tenure prior to Ishbias' acquisition and Gregory's participation too.

Honestly, in Jones 8 yrs as our GM, how many drafts did he actually successfully hit on?? I ask this because clearly, in only two years under new representation ( draft scouting, talent assessment, etc) we're 2 for 2 now and might ge 3 for 3 if these prospects pan out even reasonably.

My point in this comparison is the disparity of value outcome between the two samples even if small as an indicator of premised effort related success vs the previous self admitted disinterest and undervaluing if the whole process. The value payoff resulting from the work/ investment put in.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#833 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:55 am

I feel better about this team than I did a week ago. Still plenty of work to do on this roster but it's definitely younger, bigger, and more athletic now than it has been in a while.
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Post#834 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:58 am

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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#835 » by enigmatics » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:17 am

thamadkant wrote:Mark Williams is more finesse than power. He makes Ayton look like Shawn Kemp


Objectively not even close to being true.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#836 » by KLEON » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:45 am

thamadkant wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:It's also possible that relationship is broken after they actually traded him only for LA to void the trade.
That's definitely a point of contention for him to be sure. And now that he's here, he'll have four times a year to show them they were wrong. I just hope his health holds and he's able to put in the work and be the gritty banger we've needed since Amare left town. And if he can't be that guy, at least we took steps to protect ourselves moving forward in Maluach.

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Mark Williams is more finesse than power. He makes Ayton look like Shawn Kemp

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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#837 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:52 am

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DirtyDez wrote:I think we’re gonna buy out Beal to the minimum amount required to get under 15% of the stretch provision. The motivation for him is he gets out from a team that doesn’t want him and becomes a free agent while still making his near max regardless.

I hope Beals saves us from ourselves then


He would save ourselves from about $200m in repeater tax hits.

I wonder if repeater tax was explained to Isbhia before he went all in
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#838 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:56 am

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thamadkant wrote:Mark Williams is more finesse than power. He makes Ayton look like Shawn Kemp


Objectively not even close to being true.

Actually they are very similar style, Ayton is just much more athletic with his verticals. Both are skilled, Mark gets more free throws because he likes to hang out under the rim and Ayton likes his mid range.

What I posted was in jest because someone compared Williams to Amare.... who was one of the most aggressive and athletic PFs at the time he played.

Point is Mark Williams is not going to be posterizing and dominating his defender with his body like Amare did.
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#839 » by Biff » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:07 am

KdoubleDees23 wrote:A - draft - center of the future , best center in draft . Fleming some had projected all the way in top 20 . Koby can shoot, and if we can get Nembhard with undrafted I’ll add a +

B - williams trade , hope he can stay healthy, but 2 late first rounders, I don’t care about


Just because he's the best center in the draft, doesn't mean he's going to be a great pro. James Wiseman was projected to be a stud and what happened?

You don't care about late 1st rounders? You think I'm crazy for thinking trading 2 1st rd picks for a guy that probably will be perpetually injured is embarrassing? LOL
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Re: 2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion 

Post#840 » by Chuck Everett » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:10 am

You let Mark Williams go to RFA. You can't early extend guys like him who have been injury prone. If he balls out, then you re-evaluate while still controlling what to do next.
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