With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles!

[Stromile12]

LOL PJ Tucker? That dude is 6'4" and totally different offensive game (or that PJ can't do anything on offence other than stand in the corner and shoot). The comparison is terrible.

I think he was just talking about defensively but that PJ has a three. At least I hope so.

[PushDaRock]

Do u guys think Chloe will be at a lot of games

no

[Merit]

He can guard 1-5. Think PJ tucker without a 3.

Good comparison, PJ Tucker without the 3 but with better ball handling, passing and feel for the game.

That's a role player ceiling.

That’s not his ceiling. That’s his right now.

[And1Skip]

LOL PJ Tucker? That dude is 6'4" and totally different offensive game (or that PJ can't do anything on offence other than stand in the corner and shoot). The comparison is terrible.

I think he was just talking about defensively but that PJ has a three. At least I hope so.

I don't see the defensive comparison. PJ was great on-ball defender. CMB is good both on and off-ball. His off-ball rotations are fantastic and he's more athletic than PJ was, with a stronger base to guard centers. PJ was too short to guard centers too.

[DelAbbot]

I think outside of guys who base their draft projections out of advanced stay models CMB is not a guy you pick in our spot. The upside to drafting a defensive stopper is not there.

The offensive upside of a below-the-rim finishing, undersized big, is the main issues. It is almost impossible to find a comparable player or role type to CMB in the NBA as a result. Plays a C type of game but is too small.

Reality for him is that he will need to adjust to the size and speed of defense in the NBA and he won't score as much. He will feed off rebounds/putbacks and really be on the floor for defense. His role is a defensive stopper.

That is perfect for a team like Houston or OKC that is loaded with talent and already has a winning/contending team. They can add specialists.

Toronto's FO acts like it is already a playoff team with a move like this. Upside guys were around like Essengue, Maluach, Bryant, and Coward and we passed. Any of those players might have become star players because they are young and don't have a lot of barriers.

Now, we are in a position where if CMB doesn't progress with his shooting and/or struggles with his finishing we have a 9 PPG 7 REB bench level PF. The defense is great but I don't know if he has a ton of value in future trades.

We basically drafted a better Mogbo and this was our last chance at a high first pick. You just hope he has all-NBA level defense.

Very well said

[XTC]

I finally got around to watching CMB scouting videos.

We went through a 52 Loss season for a PJ Tucker / Dollar store Draymond Green

Glaring weaknesses
- Below NBA average vertical AND is undersized at 6'7 for a forward - his outstanding college defensive impacts are going be negatively adjusted in the NBA.
- No range on his shot.
- No post moves, no counter moves, just uses his strong upper torso to create space to get shots off.
- No handle.

Strengths
- Upper body strength holds ground against bigger opponents in the post
- Good lateral quickness on defense
- Good defensive IQ
- Good passing for a big


He is the type of tweener that feasted on college level players and will struggle against NBA level athleticism and skills.

You're literally basing your opinion on scouting videos, you've said as much, and you're trashing the pick comparing him to PJ Tucker/Dollar store Draymond. Laughable.

PJ Tucker made his career hitting corner 3's, and being a lockdown defender. That doesn't describe CMB at all. Dollar store Draymond? I get you don't like the pick, but get more creative here.

I'm basing my opinion on actual game footage, not highlights, and scouting reports. Ive probably seen CMB play around 6-8 times (check my post history). I wasn't the biggest fan at first, but his game grew on me, and by seasons end I was a believer.

The kid played on a **** team, yet he was posting elite efficiency. He wasn't spoon fed buckets by his teammates, HE WAS THE CREATOR. The kids creation game is really good, and he has IMO an elite lay up package, with a soft touch. Just because he wasn't hitting step back 3 pointers, doesnt mean he wasnt creating. He was a slasher, who created most his buckets from the elbow in, his mid range jumpshot is actually pretty good. His 3 pointer definetly needs work, but if he was nailing 3's he would have been the #2 pick. He showed a wide variety of passes he had in his repertoire, he has good vision, and he makes good reads. Defensively we all know hes elite... and hes not anymore undersized or less athletic (I'd say hes the most out of this bunch) than Randle, Green, or Milsap all modern forwards/4's (which is exactly what he is), and hes built from the same cloth as these guys. There's a reason why most people are saying this was a major W, and why so many people where high on him. As for a comparision it's super hard to pin point 1 guy he has shades of Randle/Green/Millsap, but the best way to put it, he's the first CMB, and I think he has allstar potential.

We get it, you don't like the pick, but its ignorant to bash him when all you've seen is scouting reports. Anyone who has followed him, watched him, all agree he's going to be a great pro.

[Tripod]

I finally got around to watching CMB scouting videos.

We went through a 52 Loss season for a PJ Tucker / Dollar store Draymond Green

Glaring weaknesses
- Below NBA average vertical AND is undersized at 6'7 for a forward - his outstanding college defensive impacts are going be negatively adjusted in the NBA.
- No range on his shot.
- No post moves, no counter moves, just uses his strong upper torso to create space to get shots off.
- No handle.

Strengths
- Upper body strength holds ground against bigger opponents in the post
- Good lateral quickness on defense
- Good defensive IQ
- Good passing for a big


He is the type of tweener that feasted on college level players and will struggle against NBA level athleticism and skills.

You're literally basing your opinion on scouting videos, you've said as much, and you're trashing the pick comparing him to PJ Tucker/Dollar store Draymond. Laughable.

PJ Tucker made his career hitting corner 3's, and being a lockdown defender. That doesn't describe CMB at all. Dollar store Draymond? I get you don't like the pick, but get more creative here.

I'm basing my opinion on actual game footage, not highlights, and scouting reports. Ive probably seen CMB play around 6-8 times (check my post history). I wasn't the biggest fan at first, but his game grew on me, and by seasons end I was a believer.

The kid played on a **** team, yet he was posting elite efficiency. He wasn't spoon fed buckets by his teammates, HE WAS THE CREATOR. The kids creation game is really good, and he has IMO an elite lay up package, with a soft touch. Just because he wasn't hitting step back 3 pointers, doesnt mean he wasnt creating. He was a slasher, who created most his buckets from the elbow in, his mid range jumpshot is actually pretty good. His 3 pointer definetly needs work, but if he was nailing 3's he would have been the #2 pick. He showed a wide variety of passes he could attempt, he has good vision, and he makes good reads. Defensively we all know hes elite... and hes not anymore undersized or less athletic (I'd say hes the most out of this bunch) than Randle, Green, or Milsap all modern forwards/4's (which is exactly what he is), and hes built from the same cloth as these guys. There's a reason why most people are saying this was a major W, and why so many people where high on him. As for a comparision it's super hard to pin point 1 guy he has shades of Randle/Green/Millsap, but the best way to put it, he's the first CMB, and I think he has allstar potential.

We get it, you don't like the pick, but its ignorant to bash him when all you've seen is scouting reports. Anyone who has followed him, watched him, all agree he's going to be a great pro.

Well said....by someone who actually watched.

[youngRAPZ]

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[Thaddy]

I think outside of guys who base their draft projections out of advanced stay models CMB is not a guy you pick in our spot. The upside to drafting a defensive stopper is not there.

The offensive upside of a below-the-rim finishing, undersized big, is the main issues. It is almost impossible to find a comparable player or role type to CMB in the NBA as a result. Plays a C type of game but is too small.

Reality for him is that he will need to adjust to the size and speed of defense in the NBA and he won't score as much. He will feed off rebounds/putbacks and really be on the floor for defense. His role is a defensive stopper.

That is perfect for a team like Houston or OKC that is loaded with talent and already has a winning/contending team. They can add specialists.

Toronto's FO acts like it is already a playoff team with a move like this. Upside guys were around like Essengue, Maluach, Bryant, and Coward and we passed. Any of those players might have become star players because they are young and don't have a lot of barriers.

Now, we are in a position where if CMB doesn't progress with his shooting and/or struggles with his finishing we have a 9 PPG 7 REB bench level PF. The defense is great but I don't know if he has a ton of value in future trades.

We basically drafted a better Mogbo and this was our last chance at a high first pick. You just hope he has all-NBA level defense.

Very well said

If he played that kind of game in college against good teams he can do it in the NBA.

[hyper316]

In vacuum, CMB is the right pick.

But CMB has so much overlap with Scottie.

[DelAbbot]

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

lol is it supposed to be easy to get one?

What happened to trust in Masai?

[PoundTown]

In vacuum, CMB is the right pick.

But CMB has so much overlap with Scottie.

Yeah, the roster fit isn't great, but I guess you take BPA and figure out rest later and roster isn't near finished. Please keep Ochai, we need shooters that can also defend to complement these two.

[PushDaRock]

We’ve been out of the playoff for years but haven’t managed to get any franchise level player or close to it. It’s been a pretty bad run.

lol is it supposed to be easy to get one?

What happened to trust in Masai?

Nothing, it's as strong as ever!!!

[Saul Goodman]

One thing to remember is the Giannis thing is still in the air. He’s waiting to see what the bucks do in the off season and they have no moves to make. That supporting cast would be the worst team in the league sans Giannis. Maybe the Bucks really love CMB and would take him in a package for Giannis

[LoveMyRaps]

One thing to remember is the Giannis thing is still in the air. He’s waiting to see what the bucks do in the off season and they have no moves to make. That supporting cast would be the worst team in the league sans Giannis. Maybe the Bucks really love CMB and would take him in a package for Giannis

It’d be Scottie going the other way, not CMB.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I finally got around to watching CMB scouting videos.

We went through a 52 Loss season for a PJ Tucker / Dollar store Draymond Green

Glaring weaknesses
- Below NBA average vertical AND is undersized at 6'7 for a forward - his outstanding college defensive impacts are going be negatively adjusted in the NBA.
- No range on his shot.
- No post moves, no counter moves, just uses his strong upper torso to create space to get shots off.
- No handle.

Strengths
- Upper body strength holds ground against bigger opponents in the post
- Good lateral quickness on defense
- Good defensive IQ
- Good passing for a big


He is the type of tweener that feasted on college level players and will struggle against NBA level athleticism and skills.

You're literally basing your opinion on scouting videos, you've said as much, and you're trashing the pick comparing him to PJ Tucker/Dollar store Draymond. Laughable.

PJ Tucker made his career hitting corner 3's, and being a lockdown defender. That doesn't describe CMB at all. Dollar store Draymond? I get you don't like the pick, but get more creative here.

I'm basing my opinion on actual game footage, not highlights, and scouting reports. Ive probably seen CMB play around 6-8 times (check my post history). I wasn't the biggest fan at first, but his game grew on me, and by seasons end I was a believer.

The kid played on a **** team, yet he was posting elite efficiency. He wasn't spoon fed buckets by his teammates, HE WAS THE CREATOR. The kids creation game is really good, and he has IMO an elite lay up package, with a soft touch. Just because he wasn't hitting step back 3 pointers, doesnt mean he wasnt creating. He was a slasher, who created most his buckets from the elbow in, his mid range jumpshot is actually pretty good. His 3 pointer definetly needs work, but if he was nailing 3's he would have been the #2 pick. He showed a wide variety of passes he had in his repertoire, he has good vision, and he makes good reads. Defensively we all know hes elite... and hes not anymore undersized or less athletic (I'd say hes the most out of this bunch) than Randle, Green, or Milsap all modern forwards/4's (which is exactly what he is), and hes built from the same cloth as these guys. There's a reason why most people are saying this was a major W, and why so many people where high on him. As for a comparision it's super hard to pin point 1 guy he has shades of Randle/Green/Millsap, but the best way to put it, he's the first CMB, and I think he has allstar potential.

We get it, you don't like the pick, but its ignorant to bash him when all you've seen is scouting reports. Anyone who has followed him, watched him, all agree he's going to be a great pro.

Posters like DelAbbot had mancrushes on OG and spent years campaigning for a tank. It's probable he just chatGPT'd negative things to say about CMB. This isn't an earnest debate, but a expression of grievance.

imo if you spend years of your life demanding a tank, have the decency to follow college basketball

[disoblige]

I'm actually optimistic that he'll improve his shooting, similar to how Barnes, Pascal, and OG developed over time. His shooting form doesn't look broken. It is constant when he shoots — it just seems like he's still adjusting to the longer range. We drafted him primarily for his great hands and defensive upside --- not his offensive abilities.

[Yallbecrazy]

Would a less athletic Zion be a good comp for CMB? Both are roughly the same height yet super strong and make a living attacking the post.

Yes, but he does have a better bbiq than Zion.
Zion never tested at the combine so hard to compare agility stats. Zion clearly bigger, stronger, more explosive as he's probably the most athletic guy in NBA history. CMB had some of the best shuttle and sprint numbers which is exceptionally unique when you consider his size.
His agility time was okay, but if you google it (cmb agility drill) he could probably have shaved off a whole second with some practice by being closer to the pylons. Looked like he wasn't totally sure where he should be going next as well.

[TeamDisgruntled]

It's not that CMB doesn't have some skills but he is a low ceiling guy and we could have done much better. Trading back would have been better.

Not at all, this is a swing.

If CMB learns to shoot hes literally Kawhi Leonard.

That is simply not true - Kawhi Leonard not only learned to shoot from long range, but he developed a top 10 of league handle.

Remember everyone here (myself included) said OG is Kawhi Leonard if he gets a handle? It's not as simple as "if X just learns this skill, he's literally Kawhi Leonard"

I feel like because our fan base watched demar go from Zero handles to being an absolute technician, we think it’s a likely outcome. Unfortunately it isn’t though, most guys who enter without a handle don’t end up being above average ball handlers.

[disoblige]

AM Hoops
https://youtu.be/zZTbhhG0x6w?si=d_ZQYnapglH3KA_u&t=227