2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[djsunyc]

would a mason plumlee minimum signing have a similar impact to bizmack?

[RaptorPride]

would a mason plumlee minimum signing have a similar impact to bizmack?

Why don't we just bring Bismack he's three years younger

[ArthurVandelay]

Three trade ideas for RJ:

1)
Chicago: RJ
Raptors: Collins, Ball, 2026 POR 1st (1-14 protected 26/27/28, 2nd round in 2028)

2)
Portland: RJ
Raptors: Williams III, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland (POR has multiple 1sts/2nd/swaps through 2030)

3)
Portland: RJ
Chicago: Williams III
Raptors: Collins, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland


#3 would be my ideal. Thybulle fits how they want to play. Collins gives another style of play at the 5. All 3 of Williams III, Thybulle, and Collins are expiring. Draft capital is crucial as the Raptors are giving up the best player by far.

Portland draft capital:

2026 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2026 2nd round pick to L.A. Clippers protected for sections 43-60 or to Portland protected for selections 31-42 (Memphis' obligation to L.A. Clippers or Portland will thereafter be extinguished) (via Utah to Atlanta to L.A. Clippers; via Utah to Golden State to Portland) [Memphis-Utah, 8/7/2021; Golden State-Utah, 8/7/2021; Atlanta-Detroit-Golden State-Portland, 2/9/2023; Atlanta-Utah, 7/7/2023; Atlanta-L.A. Clippers, 2/6/2025]

2027 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2027 2nd round pick to Portland (via Boston to Memphis) [Atlanta-Boston, 6/28/2023; Boston-Memphis, 2/7/2024; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2027 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2027 2nd round pick to Portland (via Houston to Oklahoma City to New York) [Houston-Minnesota, 6/24/2022; Houston-Oklahoma City, 10/17/2023; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/27/2024; New York-Portland, 6/27/2024]

2028 first round draft pick from Milwaukee (Portland outgoing to Milwaukee or Washington)
Portland will receive the more favorable of its 2028 1st round pick, protected for selections 15-30 if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2027, and Milwaukee's 2028 1st round pick; Washington will receive the more favorable of (i) the more favorable of (a) Washington's 2028 1st round pick and (b) the least / less favorable of Brooklyn's 2028 1st round pick, Philadelphia's 2028 1st round pick, which would be protected for selections 1-8 if Philadelphia does not convey a 1st round pick to Brooklyn in 2027 and otherwise conveyable if Philadelphia has conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, and Phoenix's 2028 1st round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Milwaukee pick and the Portland pick if conveyable and Milwaukee will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii); if the Portland pick is not conveyable, then Milwaukee's obligation to Portland will be extinguished and Washington will instead have the right to swap for the Milwaukee pick [see (ii) above] (via Portland's right to swap for Milwaukee; via Washington's right to swap Washington, Brooklyn, Philadelphia or Phoenix for Milwaukee or Portland) [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023; Milwaukee-New York-Washington, 2/6/2025]

2028 first round draft pick from Orlando
Orlando's 2028 1st round pick to Portland (via Memphis) [Memphis-Orlando, 6/15/2025; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2028 second round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 2028 2nd round pick to Portland (via Chicago to Sacramento to Memphis) [Chicago-Sacramento-San Antonio, 7/8/2024; Chicago-Sacramento-San Antonio, 2/3/2025; Memphis-Sacramento-Washington, 2/6/2025; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2029 first round draft picks from Boston and / or Milwaukee (most and least favorable of these and Portland, Portland outgoing to Washington)
Portland will receive the most and least favorable of its 2029 1st round pick, Boston's 2029 1st round pick and Milwaukee's 2029 1st round pick and Washington will receive the second most favorable of the three (via Boston to Portland; via Milwaukee to Portland; via Portland to Washington) [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023; Boston-Portland, 10/1/2023; Portland-Washington, 7/6/2024]

2029 second round draft pick from Indiana or Washington (less favorable)
Indiana will receive the more favorable of its 2029 2nd round pick and Washington's 2029 2nd round pick and Portland will receive the less favorable of the two (via Indiana to New York) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Indiana-New York, 7/7/2023; New York-Portland, 6/27/2024]

2030 first round draft pick from Milwaukee (swap, Portland outgoing)
Portland has the right to swap its 2030 1st round pick for Milwaukee's 2030 1st round pick [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023]

(I know JRoy....Portland politely declines )

[StopitLeo]

The Kings need a starting PG badly and might want to move on from Murray, who has regressed since his rookie year and is going to be expensive to retain as a RFA.

Something around Quickley for JV and Murray could work.
We get our backup C and take a chance on Murray turning it around. It also gets us off Quickley’s contract to potentially gain future flexibility.

We would of course be bumping Shead into a starting role, which might make some uncomfortable. I think he would be fine, especially if he improves his above the break 3 (I think the issue is just developing range as his mechanics are fine given how well he shot the corner 3).

They Kings are left without a backup C but they did draft Raynaud and I think solving their PG issue should be a much bigger priority for them.

[Psubs]

The Kings need a starting PG badly and might want to move on from Murray, who has regressed since his rookie year and is going to be expensive to retain as a RFA.

Something around Quickley for JV and Murray could work.
We get our backup C and take a chance on Murray turning it around. It also gets us off Quickley’s contract to potentially gain future flexibility.

We would of course be bumping Shead into a starting role, which might make some uncomfortable. I think he would be fine, especially if he improves his above the break 3 (I think the issue is just developing range as his mechanics are fine given how well he shot the corner 3).

They Kings are left without a backup C but they did draft Raynaud and I think solving their PG issue should be a much bigger priority for them.

They will start Monk and Devin Carter backup. Tank 1 year and hope to get Philly or Dallas lucky.

[StopitLeo]

The Kings need a starting PG badly and might want to move on from Murray, who has regressed since his rookie year and is going to be expensive to retain as a RFA.

Something around Quickley for JV and Murray could work.
We get our backup C and take a chance on Murray turning it around. It also gets us off Quickley’s contract to potentially gain future flexibility.

We would of course be bumping Shead into a starting role, which might make some uncomfortable. I think he would be fine, especially if he improves his above the break 3 (I think the issue is just developing range as his mechanics are fine given how well he shot the corner 3).

They Kings are left without a backup C but they did draft Raynaud and I think solving their PG issue should be a much bigger priority for them.

They will start Monk and Devin Carter backup. Tank 1 year and hope to get Philly or Dallas lucky.

They’d have a 1 year window with Sabonis unless he chooses money to stay in Sacramento over slightly less money and winning somewhere else. Risky plan but I wouldn’t put it past Vivek.

[Flush]

salary wise, there's no good matches for ayton. even if you want to use rj, we need to make up a 7 mil gap in salaries which means we'd have to send out ochai or gradey too - which is a no go.

RW3 makes mle money which means we'd have to trade some of our rookies too. that's a no-go too.

Barrett for RW3 and Thybulle works since he exercised his player option

When does RJs contract expire?

I believe he just has an additional year

[JRoy]

Barrett for RW3 and Thybulle works since he exercised his player option

When does RJs contract expire?

I believe he just has an additional year

Pass in that case then.

[Morris_Shatford]

I wonder if Khaman Maluach & Maxime Raynaud will be getting the same love in December as they are in June?

[LoveMyRaps]

I wonder if Khaman Maluach & Maxime Raynaud will be getting the same love in December as they are in June?

Khaman, maybe in December of 2028.

[Psubs]

So Washington drafted Walter Clayton Jr, while Traore went right after and Jaku right after Traore. This one would be interesting to keep tabs.

Like they really needed the clutch shooting over playing with adults and being French like Bilal and Sarr? The drafted Tre Johnson for the shooting.

[Raptors Realtor]

When does RJs contract expire?

I believe he just has an additional year

Pass in that case then.

I wouldn't do that... RW is injured more then healthy, and Thybulle is all defense and basically unusable in offense.

[ArthurVandelay]

I wonder if Khaman Maluach & Maxime Raynaud will be getting the same love in December as they are in June?

What December?

[JRoy]

Three trade ideas for RJ:

1)
Chicago: RJ
Raptors: Collins, Ball, 2026 POR 1st (1-14 protected 26/27/28, 2nd round in 2028)

2)
Portland: RJ
Raptors: Williams III, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland (POR has multiple 1sts/2nd/swaps through 2030)

3)
Portland: RJ
Chicago: Williams III
Raptors: Collins, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland


#3 would be my ideal. Thybulle fits how they want to play. Collins gives another style of play at the 5. All 3 of Williams III, Thybulle, and Collins are expiring. Draft capital is crucial as the Raptors are giving up the best player by far.

Portland draft capital:

2026 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2026 2nd round pick to L.A. Clippers protected for sections 43-60 or to Portland protected for selections 31-42 (Memphis' obligation to L.A. Clippers or Portland will thereafter be extinguished) (via Utah to Atlanta to L.A. Clippers; via Utah to Golden State to Portland) [Memphis-Utah, 8/7/2021; Golden State-Utah, 8/7/2021; Atlanta-Detroit-Golden State-Portland, 2/9/2023; Atlanta-Utah, 7/7/2023; Atlanta-L.A. Clippers, 2/6/2025]

2027 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2027 2nd round pick to Portland (via Boston to Memphis) [Atlanta-Boston, 6/28/2023; Boston-Memphis, 2/7/2024; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2027 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2027 2nd round pick to Portland (via Houston to Oklahoma City to New York) [Houston-Minnesota, 6/24/2022; Houston-Oklahoma City, 10/17/2023; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/27/2024; New York-Portland, 6/27/2024]

2028 first round draft pick from Milwaukee (Portland outgoing to Milwaukee or Washington)
Portland will receive the more favorable of its 2028 1st round pick, protected for selections 15-30 if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2027, and Milwaukee's 2028 1st round pick; Washington will receive the more favorable of (i) the more favorable of (a) Washington's 2028 1st round pick and (b) the least / less favorable of Brooklyn's 2028 1st round pick, Philadelphia's 2028 1st round pick, which would be protected for selections 1-8 if Philadelphia does not convey a 1st round pick to Brooklyn in 2027 and otherwise conveyable if Philadelphia has conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, and Phoenix's 2028 1st round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Milwaukee pick and the Portland pick if conveyable and Milwaukee will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii); if the Portland pick is not conveyable, then Milwaukee's obligation to Portland will be extinguished and Washington will instead have the right to swap for the Milwaukee pick [see (ii) above] (via Portland's right to swap for Milwaukee; via Washington's right to swap Washington, Brooklyn, Philadelphia or Phoenix for Milwaukee or Portland) [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023; Milwaukee-New York-Washington, 2/6/2025]

2028 first round draft pick from Orlando
Orlando's 2028 1st round pick to Portland (via Memphis) [Memphis-Orlando, 6/15/2025; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2028 second round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 2028 2nd round pick to Portland (via Chicago to Sacramento to Memphis) [Chicago-Sacramento-San Antonio, 7/8/2024; Chicago-Sacramento-San Antonio, 2/3/2025; Memphis-Sacramento-Washington, 2/6/2025; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2029 first round draft picks from Boston and / or Milwaukee (most and least favorable of these and Portland, Portland outgoing to Washington)
Portland will receive the most and least favorable of its 2029 1st round pick, Boston's 2029 1st round pick and Milwaukee's 2029 1st round pick and Washington will receive the second most favorable of the three (via Boston to Portland; via Milwaukee to Portland; via Portland to Washington) [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023; Boston-Portland, 10/1/2023; Portland-Washington, 7/6/2024]

2029 second round draft pick from Indiana or Washington (less favorable)
Indiana will receive the more favorable of its 2029 2nd round pick and Washington's 2029 2nd round pick and Portland will receive the less favorable of the two (via Indiana to New York) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Indiana-New York, 7/7/2023; New York-Portland, 6/27/2024]

2030 first round draft pick from Milwaukee (swap, Portland outgoing)
Portland has the right to swap its 2030 1st round pick for Milwaukee's 2030 1st round pick [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023]

(I know JRoy....Portland politely declines )

I know TOR fans value RJ but POR does not. Better to just allow Thybulle and RW to expire than to take on an extra year of a guy who does not move the needle and add draft capital for the privelege.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Three trade ideas for RJ:

1)
Chicago: RJ
Raptors: Collins, Ball, 2026 POR 1st (1-14 protected 26/27/28, 2nd round in 2028)

2)
Portland: RJ
Raptors: Williams III, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland (POR has multiple 1sts/2nd/swaps through 2030)

3)
Portland: RJ
Chicago: Williams III
Raptors: Collins, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland


#3 would be my ideal. Thybulle fits how they want to play. Collins gives another style of play at the 5. All 3 of Williams III, Thybulle, and Collins are expiring. Draft capital is crucial as the Raptors are giving up the best player by far.

Portland draft capital:

2026 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2026 2nd round pick to L.A. Clippers protected for sections 43-60 or to Portland protected for selections 31-42 (Memphis' obligation to L.A. Clippers or Portland will thereafter be extinguished) (via Utah to Atlanta to L.A. Clippers; via Utah to Golden State to Portland) [Memphis-Utah, 8/7/2021; Golden State-Utah, 8/7/2021; Atlanta-Detroit-Golden State-Portland, 2/9/2023; Atlanta-Utah, 7/7/2023; Atlanta-L.A. Clippers, 2/6/2025]

2027 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2027 2nd round pick to Portland (via Boston to Memphis) [Atlanta-Boston, 6/28/2023; Boston-Memphis, 2/7/2024; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2027 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2027 2nd round pick to Portland (via Houston to Oklahoma City to New York) [Houston-Minnesota, 6/24/2022; Houston-Oklahoma City, 10/17/2023; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/27/2024; New York-Portland, 6/27/2024]

2028 first round draft pick from Milwaukee (Portland outgoing to Milwaukee or Washington)
Portland will receive the more favorable of its 2028 1st round pick, protected for selections 15-30 if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2027, and Milwaukee's 2028 1st round pick; Washington will receive the more favorable of (i) the more favorable of (a) Washington's 2028 1st round pick and (b) the least / less favorable of Brooklyn's 2028 1st round pick, Philadelphia's 2028 1st round pick, which would be protected for selections 1-8 if Philadelphia does not convey a 1st round pick to Brooklyn in 2027 and otherwise conveyable if Philadelphia has conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, and Phoenix's 2028 1st round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Milwaukee pick and the Portland pick if conveyable and Milwaukee will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii); if the Portland pick is not conveyable, then Milwaukee's obligation to Portland will be extinguished and Washington will instead have the right to swap for the Milwaukee pick [see (ii) above] (via Portland's right to swap for Milwaukee; via Washington's right to swap Washington, Brooklyn, Philadelphia or Phoenix for Milwaukee or Portland) [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023; Milwaukee-New York-Washington, 2/6/2025]

2028 first round draft pick from Orlando
Orlando's 2028 1st round pick to Portland (via Memphis) [Memphis-Orlando, 6/15/2025; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2028 second round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 2028 2nd round pick to Portland (via Chicago to Sacramento to Memphis) [Chicago-Sacramento-San Antonio, 7/8/2024; Chicago-Sacramento-San Antonio, 2/3/2025; Memphis-Sacramento-Washington, 2/6/2025; Memphis-Portland, pending]

2029 first round draft picks from Boston and / or Milwaukee (most and least favorable of these and Portland, Portland outgoing to Washington)
Portland will receive the most and least favorable of its 2029 1st round pick, Boston's 2029 1st round pick and Milwaukee's 2029 1st round pick and Washington will receive the second most favorable of the three (via Boston to Portland; via Milwaukee to Portland; via Portland to Washington) [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023; Boston-Portland, 10/1/2023; Portland-Washington, 7/6/2024]

2029 second round draft pick from Indiana or Washington (less favorable)
Indiana will receive the more favorable of its 2029 2nd round pick and Washington's 2029 2nd round pick and Portland will receive the less favorable of the two (via Indiana to New York) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Indiana-New York, 7/7/2023; New York-Portland, 6/27/2024]

2030 first round draft pick from Milwaukee (swap, Portland outgoing)
Portland has the right to swap its 2030 1st round pick for Milwaukee's 2030 1st round pick [Milwaukee-Phoenix-Portland, 9/27/2023]

(I know JRoy....Portland politely declines )

I know TOR fans value RJ but POR does not. Better to just allow Thybulle and RW to expire than to take on an extra year of a guy who does not move the needle and add draft capital for the privelege.

Well for Toronto it's better to have a guy who actually plays more than 1/3rd a year. RW3 is beyond injury prone. Thybulle is really only good for limited minutes and I don't want him taking them away from Walter/CMB/Dick/Mogbo etc

[JRoy]

Three trade ideas for RJ:

1)
Chicago: RJ
Raptors: Collins, Ball, 2026 POR 1st (1-14 protected 26/27/28, 2nd round in 2028)

2)
Portland: RJ
Raptors: Williams III, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland (POR has multiple 1sts/2nd/swaps through 2030)

3)
Portland: RJ
Chicago: Williams III
Raptors: Collins, Thybulle, draft capital from Portland


#3 would be my ideal. Thybulle fits how they want to play. Collins gives another style of play at the 5. All 3 of Williams III, Thybulle, and Collins are expiring. Draft capital is crucial as the Raptors are giving up the best player by far.





(I know JRoy....Portland politely declines )

I know TOR fans value RJ but POR does not. Better to just allow Thybulle and RW to expire than to take on an extra year of a guy who does not move the needle and add draft capital for the privelege.

Well for Toronto it's better to have a guy who actually plays more than 1/3rd a year. RW3 is beyond injury prone. Thybulle is really only good for limited minutes and I don't want him taking them away from Walter/CMB/Dick/Mogbo etc

Fair enough.

I thought one of the reasons to make the move was to split his contract into smaller pieces. He continues to underperform.

[MessiahUjiri]

We need to trade RJ






Kings want a PF to support Murray, who thrived at SF earlier.
Raps want C & PG backups, while ducking the tax.
Bulls want to cash out on Vucevic before his FA.



Sacramento in: Pat Williams, ‘26 1st (lower of CHI/POR, lotto prot.)
Sacramento out: Devin Carter, Jonas Valanciunas


Toronto in: Devin Carter, Jonas Valanciunas
Toronto out: RJ Barrett


Chicago in: RJ Barrett
Chicago out: Pat Williams, ‘26 1st (lower of CHI/POR, lotto prot.)



Sacramento gets a PF w/ Defense + an extra pick for another trade.
Toronto gets a familiar C and a young PG. Carter is a decent lotto pick who couldn’t play much behind Monk/Fox/Lavine.
Chicago gets a young wing, and open up PT for Buzelis.

[JShuttlesworth]

We need to trade RJ






Kings want a PF to support Murray, who thrived at SF earlier.
Raps want C & PG backups, while ducking the tax.
Bulls want to cash out on Vucevic before his FA.



Sacramento in: Pat Williams, ‘26 1st (lower of CHI/POR, lotto prot.)
Sacramento out: Devin Carter, Jonas Valanciunas


Toronto in: Devin Carter, Jonas Valanciunas
Toronto out: RJ Barrett


Chicago in: RJ Barrett
Chicago out: Pat Williams, ‘26 1st (lower of CHI/POR, lotto prot.)



Sacramento gets a PF w/ Defense + an extra pick for another trade.
Toronto gets a familiar C and a young PG. Carter is a decent lotto pick who couldn’t play much behind Monk/Fox/Lavine.
Chicago gets a young wing, and open up PT for Buzelis.

This is a very bad trade for Toronto

[Mark_83]

We'd have to send more value going the other way but this works in the trade checker.

[djsunyc]

We'd have to send more value going the other way but this works in the trade checker.

how much are you going to extend murray for? it seems like he peaked his rookie season.