2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion

[King4Day]

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Sidery had a tweet saying teams are calling the Suns about Nick Richards (per Gambo). Seems to have deleted it so not sure if it's accurate but if so, we could probably recoup some 2nds with him.

[Saberestar]

So we traded in the draft all those 5 2nds that we got from the KD trade.

This is the haul that we got from KD (+#52):

• Jalen Green
• Dillon Brooks
• Khaman Maluach
• Rasheer Fleming
• Koby Brea

I graded the KD trade as a decent...I would say GOOD now.

And we have available for potential trades two 2nds yet.

Everything I read is that we are completely out of draft capital to trade.

I am pretty sure that we control one from Denver or Golden State (less favorable) in 2026 and our own in 2032.

[BobbieL]

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Sidery had a tweet saying teams are calling the Suns about Nick Richards (per Gambo). Seems to have deleted it so not sure if it's accurate but if so, we could probably recoup some 2nds with him.

Bol Bol is the reason (or Damian Lee) that Mat Ishbia can't stretch Beal this offseason. Signing a guy for $2m instead of having the ability to save $200m

Richards at $5m should be able to get a couple seconds
Martin at $8m - or they just don't pick up the option
Allen is the tough one - what market, if any, will there be for Grayson Allen?

[Saberestar]

Not re-signing Bol Bol is a very good decision.

I was a fan and I thought that he would improve his intangibles, awareness, intensity and so many all-around stuff but it didn't happened so it is OK to try other players.

[bigfoot]

Not re-signing Bol Bol is a very good decision.

I was a fan and I thought that he would improve his intangibles, awareness, intensity and so many all-around stuff but it didn't happened so it is OK to try other players.

You can't fix stupid

[Frank Lee]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

[King4Day]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

Suns technically passed on him 3 times. It could end up being a mistake, but I'd like to think they did enough research to have a reason to pass on him.
Same with so many other teams.

[phnart]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

I agree. This one is a head scratcher. The scouting on this kid makes it seem like he's nothing but a shooter and doesn't offer much else. I was sitting here thinking, when I saw the trade, that this front office is like my kids. When they get a dollar in their pocket, they can't wait to buy something. Anything, really, as long as their is some instant gratification.

[King4Day]

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F off Bailey. You have the privilege to play in the NBA and make millions.
Because he chose to be a dick, he's now in Utah instead of possibly Charlotte.
Now you don't go east and find yourself in an even worse situation than you had preferred.

EDIT: Also, Bailey and his agency will make this worse for him during the introductory presser. I hope he gets eaten alive

[BobbieL]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

I agree. This one is a head scratcher. The scouting on this kid makes it seem like he's nothing but a shooter and doesn't offer much else. I was sitting here thinking, when I saw the trade, that this front office is like my kids. When they get a dollar in their pocket, they can't wait to buy something. Anything, really, as long as their is some instant gratification.

I was very happy with the Fleming pick but I have to tell you - I felt a little bit of the same. Ishbia got 5 second round picks in the Durant deal and they are all gone.

Now I get SRPs are shots at a dartboard anyway -- so not having any over the next few years isn't the worst thing but it does seem like those picks were burning a hole in his pocket. And I like the Fleming pick too

This also tells me there is no trade market for Bradley Beal - even though Flex said part of the reason they got the picks were to be used in a "Brad Beal trade."

[Fo-Real]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

Missed out on a young athletic Frank the Tank!!

[Calvin Klein]

Finally letting go of Bol Bol. He was just a gimmick. There's a reason he can't get consistent minutes on any team. But it was weird seeing so many people demand he plays when he was obviously not very good and had one of the worst bball IQs I've seen.

[Sunsdeuce]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

Troy Daniels is a perfect example of evidence. Shooters that do nothing else don’t last in the NBA.

[BobbieL]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

Troy Daniels is a perfect example of evidence. Shooters that do nothing else don’t last in the NBA.

One comp I saw for Brea was Jimmer Fredette -- ouch! At least Brea is a bit taller. He does have a skillset to shoot the ball but he will need to find a bit more . Kerr wasn't the most athletic guy out of college

[dremill24]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

I agree. This one is a head scratcher. The scouting on this kid makes it seem like he's nothing but a shooter and doesn't offer much else. I was sitting here thinking, when I saw the trade, that this front office is like my kids. When they get a dollar in their pocket, they can't wait to buy something. Anything, really, as long as their is some instant gratification.

I was very happy with the Fleming pick but I have to tell you - I felt a little bit of the same. Ishbia got 5 second round picks in the Durant deal and they are all gone.

Now I get SRPs are shots at a dartboard anyway -- so not having any over the next few years isn't the worst thing but it does seem like those picks were burning a hole in his pocket. And I like the Fleming pick too

This also tells me there is no trade market for Bradley Beal - even though Flex said part of the reason they got the picks were to be used in a "Brad Beal trade."

Everyone loves aggression and pursuing something better in the moment. Ishbia does not sit on his hands and takes swings, that hasnt changed. The question is just whether you took the right swings.

They were similarly agressive moving around to get the guys they wanted in last year's draft, while showing the same in pursuing Durant and Beal. The latter two trades were pretty well-received at the time too (oops).

They look great being aggressive for everyone's favorite 2nd rounder, but if he just never really learns how to play, they fired those 2nds into the sun. Williams seems like he was obtained on the cheap, but if he cant ever play 50 games a year all of a sudden they blew two scarce trade chips on nothing. Time will tell, fingers crossed.

[garrick]

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Sidery had a tweet saying teams are calling the Suns about Nick Richards (per Gambo). Seems to have deleted it so not sure if it's accurate but if so, we could probably recoup some 2nds with him.

Bol Bol is the reason (or Damian Lee) that Mat Ishbia can't stretch Beal this offseason. Signing a guy for $2m instead of having the ability to save $200m

Richards at $5m should be able to get a couple seconds
Martin at $8m - or they just don't pick up the option
Allen is the tough one - what market, if any, will there be for Grayson Allen?

It's actually Nassir Little who had so little trade value that Ishbia signed and stretched him when no other team wanted him.

[enigmatics]

Given what we had I give this draft an A+

Pick 10 - I am not a fan of projects inside the top 10 as I find them to be extremely risky. Suns don't have a good track record of developing bigs as well. Is Mark Williams still the director of the bigs for the Suns? In the last 15 years Ayton was the only big to have success IMO. Having said that, hearing Malauch's interviews and even the small glimpse in the Olympics makes me believe this kid has the fluidity and smoothness to adapt to the NBA.
Where I think Maluach can thrive is in the pick and roll, and even an easy dump off pass from a driving Booker/Green.

Mark Williams trade - I like this a lot. I know he doesn't have a history of being healthy, but is it perhaps just the Hornets organization? Lamelo Ball has only played in 105 games the last 3 seasons out of a possible 246. Gordon Hayward's wife complained about the Hornets at one point in his career too.
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/11/26/gordon-hayward-wife-calls-out-hornets-shoulder-injury-fracture-instagram#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHe%20actually%20has%20a%20fractured,%2Fperson%20you'd%20find.

Back to Mark Williams though, he gives the Suns a starting caliber center, and although his defensive metrics don't look good, I think he may take basketball more seriously playing for the Suns. He's only 23 years old and I think the Suns will likely offer him an extension in the next few days. This contract could be a huge bargain for the Suns.

Pick 31 - First off, I have to tip my hat to the organization for being able to move up and grabbing both pick 31 and 41. Rasheer Fleming looks like a guy that might be able to make an immediate impact, especially since the Suns have a gaping hole at PF. He's a 3 and D guy that looks to have other tools that will improve his game.

Pick 41 - Koby Brea is supposedly the best shooter in the draft. You can always use shooters.

A+ for me. While the Suns do need a PG, I don't think that was as much of a necessity as the other positions the Suns were able to fill.

If there's not already a quality big on the roster to learn from then they need a good big man bench coach, but I don't even know who that is under Ott's staff which is why I can't be confident in any of the moves quite yet.

[SlovenianDragon]

Finally letting go of Bol Bol. He was just a gimmick. There's a reason he can't get consistent minutes on any team. But it was weird seeing so many people demand he plays when he was obviously not very good and had one of the worst bball IQs I've seen.

Because the Suns sucked and fans wanted some entertainment? KD getting minutes over Bol made zero difference last season

[Waylay13]

Of late there simply hasnt been much of a reason to watch this team. They were old, slow and had no identity as a team. There were so many questions on what the direction this team would be, but we are seeing the beginning of a real identity for this team. Dunn, Maluach, and Fleming all are effort people. Defense will be very different next year. I am not saying that all of our problems gone but at least there is a direction to them. /clap /clap /clap

[BobbieL]

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Sidery had a tweet saying teams are calling the Suns about Nick Richards (per Gambo). Seems to have deleted it so not sure if it's accurate but if so, we could probably recoup some 2nds with him.

Bol Bol is the reason (or Damian Lee) that Mat Ishbia can't stretch Beal this offseason. Signing a guy for $2m instead of having the ability to save $200m

Richards at $5m should be able to get a couple seconds
Martin at $8m - or they just don't pick up the option
Allen is the tough one - what market, if any, will there be for Grayson Allen?

It's actually Nassir Little who had so little trade value that Ishbia signed and stretched him when no other team wanted him.

But here is the thing -- to sign Bol or Lee - they needed a roster spot so they stretched Little

Lee contributed as much as Little did last year

If you don't sign Lee and Bol and just keep Little on your roster - and they paid him anyway, they could stretch Beal without any issues now

Actvity doesn't equal accomplishment