Who Needs A Center?

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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#41 » by zimpy27 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:26 pm

Karmaloop wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:I think the obvious trade is:

Blazers get Knecht, Kleber+Gabe (expiring)

Lakers get RW3, Thybulle



Lakers then get Horford or Capela in FA and bring back Jaxson.

PG: Reaves | Exum | Bronny
SG: Luka | Thybulle | Milton
SF: DFS | Rui | #55
PF: LeBron | Vando | LaRavia
C: RW3 | Horford/Capela | Hayes


Negative percent chances the Lakers send Knecht and expiring for RW3.


That's not how %s work :wink:


I do think Lakers will look to move Knecht for value. He'd be most suited to a team like Blazers or Magic that could do with a scoring option like him.

Blazers could always add pick value
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#42 » by DaVoiceMaster » Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:43 pm

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moss_is_1 wrote:Lakers is the obvious answer. Do they want Ayton or Robert Williams?


If the Blazers are expecting anything of value for either one, no. I think a Kleber for RW3 swap makes sense. Blazers' fans are naturally not going to like it.


That's simply making a trade for the sake of making a trade. That alone is not worth doing it. There's gotta be incentive for both teams, which can look very different for each team. RW3 isnt going to help anyone cuz he's always injured. He is going to be filler or he will return a longer contract with a better player the team wants to unload.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#43 » by Asif16 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:26 am

The Raptors need a center. Is Duop Reath any good?
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#44 » by dcstanley » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:28 am

Knecht, 2031 unprotected FRP, 2028 swap, and 2030 swap for Clingan
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#45 » by JRoy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:35 am

dcstanley wrote:Knecht, 2031 unprotected FRP, 2028 swap, and 2030 swap for Clingan


Insulting offer.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#46 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:40 am

JRoy wrote:
dcstanley wrote:Knecht, 2031 unprotected FRP, 2028 swap, and 2030 swap for Clingan


Insulting offer.


I wouldn't say "insulting". It's almost everything they can really offer. It's just nowhere close. It was a genuine try, though...
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#47 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:45 am

Asif16 wrote:The Raptors need a center. Is Duop Reath any good?


He is great!!! Worth three 1sr round pix!!!

So i might have embellished a little. He's okay. He can hit a 3 pointer. He's not a defensive big. He's a decent 3rd center on a team.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#48 » by One_and_Done » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:41 am

wemby wrote:Spurs, but none of these: Ayton is too expensive, RWIII too injured, and Reap too much of a scrub (you can pick up better players with different exceptions). I don't see the Blazers landing anything significant for these, maybe a 2nd rounder plus expirings for RWIII. However, you can something more substantial back if you also eat some salary, but the value here would arise from eating bad money as opposed to sending a valuable player.

Spurs need a back up 5.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#49 » by Sactowndog » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:39 am

How about
Kings send Zach LaVine
Portland sends Ayton, Murray

Kings get a back-up center and a back-up 3. Open up space for their list of 2 guards.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#50 » by JRoy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:41 am

Hard no.

Grant, Lavine and Jrue, God help us.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#51 » by deviljets7 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:14 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
Karmaloop wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:Lakers is the obvious answer. Do they want Ayton or Robert Williams?


If the Blazers are expecting anything of value for either one, no. I think a Kleber for RW3 swap makes sense. Blazers' fans are naturally not going to like it.


That's simply making a trade for the sake of making a trade. That alone is not worth doing it. There's gotta be incentive for both teams, which can look very different for each team. RW3 isnt going to help anyone cuz he's always injured. He is going to be filler or he will return a longer contract with a better player the team wants to unload.


Considering the Blazers were $19.5 under the luxury tax before the draft, could the $2.2 million savings be the difference in allowing them to add a free agent or the Brogdon TPE while staying safely under the tax? Not a Portland fan, so I defer to you there.

Also, I know we (rightfully) don't care about owners' wallets, but I can't blame POR if they decide the $2.2 million savings is enough of a reason to move off RW3 based on injury history/current depth chart at center.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#52 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:33 pm

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JRoy wrote:
dcstanley wrote:Knecht, 2031 unprotected FRP, 2028 swap, and 2030 swap for Clingan


Insulting offer.


I wouldn't say "insulting". It's almost everything they can really offer. It's just nowhere close. It was a genuine try, though...



I'd have it as overpay actually. A lower ceiling prospect, and 3 years of control of the Lakers draft post Lebron with Luka not under contract? Clingan isn't some high level can't miss guy himself.

Nothing insulting here. I'd take it and quickly as the Blazers. Wouldn't offer it as LA.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#53 » by Karmaloop » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:52 pm

zimpy27 wrote:I do think Lakers will look to move Knecht for value. He'd be most suited to a team like Blazers or Magic that could do with a scoring option like him.

Blazers could always add pick value


The problem is Knecht is arguably their best trade chip outside of maybe their '31 FRP, so they're not going to just hand him over willingly. The problem is the Blazers don't really have any picks of note that they're willing to trade, and Lakers haven't soured on Knecht enough to just add him in for a future highly protected FRP which Blazers would almost certainly require. Unless Blazers are willing to lower their protection on a future pick, Knecht won't be involved in a Kleber/RW3 swap. There's simply no reason to include him. There's a bigger gap between Knehct and RW3 than there is between RW3 and Kleber.


DaVoiceMaster wrote:That's simply making a trade for the sake of making a trade. That alone is not worth doing it. There's gotta be incentive for both teams, which can look very different for each team. RW3 isnt going to help anyone cuz he's always injured. He is going to be filler or he will return a longer contract with a better player the team wants to unload.


Am I missing the fact that the Blazers are horribly imbalanced the opposite of the Lakers? You're swapping a true 5 for a 3/4 from a roster that currently has 5 centers under contract that are rosterable. If you want to argue that RW3 would be better off being used as salary fodder in a trade, I wouldn't disagree at all and actually agree completely with that. But the Blazers get a roster balance and they save $2.2M. I'm not saying they need to be penny pinching by any means, but it's part of the equation.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#54 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:14 pm

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JRoy wrote:
Insulting offer.


I wouldn't say "insulting". It's almost everything they can really offer. It's just nowhere close. It was a genuine try, though...



I'd have it as overpay actually. A lower ceiling prospect, and 3 years of control of the Lakers draft post Lebron with Luka not under contract? Clingan isn't some high level can't miss guy himself.

Nothing insulting here. I'd take it and quickly as the Blazers. Wouldn't offer it as LA.


Clingan absolutley has a high ceiling on defense.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#55 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:16 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:
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I wouldn't say "insulting". It's almost everything they can really offer. It's just nowhere close. It was a genuine try, though...



I'd have it as overpay actually. A lower ceiling prospect, and 3 years of control of the Lakers draft post Lebron with Luka not under contract? Clingan isn't some high level can't miss guy himself.

Nothing insulting here. I'd take it and quickly as the Blazers. Wouldn't offer it as LA.


Clingan absolutley has a high ceiling on defense.



Derrick Lively has a higher one, that's been demonstrated in a Finals run and I would trade him for that package in a heartbeat.

And the lower ceiling was referring to Knecht btw.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#56 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:24 pm

Portland should just let Ayton/TL walk next summer. Meanwhile Yang will spend 2026 in the G league unless
there are the usual injuries in Portland to Blazer big men
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#57 » by brackdan70 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:21 pm

Does Xavier Tillman for Duop Reath make any sense to anyone. Bos/Por seem like they doing business with one another. A second might have to go one way…not sure which, or maybe straight up is fine.
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#58 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:48 pm

if the goal is Ayton-->Lakers, seems like the only trade that would make sense for the Lakers is the least painful version

Ayton + Reath/Rupert for DFS + Vincent + Kleber

just a straight across exchange of expiring contracts. Now, I'm assuming the Lakers would rather move DFS than Rui
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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#59 » by gswhoops » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:51 pm

brackdan70 wrote:Does Xavier Tillman for Duop Reath make any sense to anyone. Bos/Por seem like they doing business with one another. A second might have to go one way…not sure which, or maybe straight up is fine.

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Re: Who Needs A Center? 

Post#60 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:51 pm

DFS has a player option. And he's far from just dead expiring salary to throw away on Ayton.
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