2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion

[BobbieL]

Of late there simply hasnt been much of a reason to watch this team. They were old, slow and had no identity as a team. There were so many questions on what the direction this team would be, but we are seeing the beginning of a real identity for this team. Dunn, Maluach, and Fleming all are effort people. Defense will be very different next year. I am not saying that all of our problems gone but at least there is a direction to them. /clap /clap /clap

So basically, going back to the Suns team of February 2023....

[Fo-Real]

Obviously Beal is almost if not impossible to move. Is there a chance that Grayson and O'neale aren't considered worth their contracts around the league and we cant dump them either? Surely Richards and Martin should be easy to offload to teams, but maybe teams around the league hate our owner still and refuses to want anything to do with us? Or am I too impatient right now?

[sunsbum]

Passing on Maxi Raynaud will prove to be a mistake. Sure, landing a great shooter is good, but Maxi is a solid offensive player in so many ways w the potential to play PF as well. Nice asset to have.

Just don’t care for No-D shooters. May be Brea can be coached up, but physical limitations are difficult to overcome come.

Troy Daniels is a perfect example of evidence. Shooters that do nothing else don’t last in the NBA.

One comp I saw for Brea was Jimmer Fredette -- ouch! At least Brea is a bit taller. He does have a skillset to shoot the ball but he will need to find a bit more . Kerr wasn't the most athletic guy out of college

what a terrible comp. They play nothing alike. Absolutely 0 basketball knowledge.

[dremill24]

Obviously Beal is almost if not impossible to move. Is there a chance that Grayson and O'neale aren't considered worth their contracts around the league and we cant dump them either? Surely Richards and Martin should be easy to offload to teams, but maybe teams around the league hate our owner still and refuses to want anything to do with us? Or am I too impatient right now?

I dont know the answers to all this but I will say the patience bit is prudent. I would say they should have a plan for Richards/Martin before their guarantee/option dates at the end of the month (i would imagine/hope they know their options), but otherwise most of the league will be moving over the course of the next two weeks starting Monday night.

Once free agency starts on Monday night is when things will start to move faster again and thats when you'll likely see any movement.

My guess is that guys like Allen and O'Neale, while useful, arent too many teams' top priority, so it may take some other things around the league settling and exhausting other options before they are dealt with. Theres always the chance that acting early gets them at a better price, but it remains to be seen.

[BobbieL]

Obviously Beal is almost if not impossible to move. Is there a chance that Grayson and O'neale aren't considered worth their contracts around the league and we cant dump them either? Surely Richards and Martin should be easy to offload to teams, but maybe teams around the league hate our owner still and refuses to want anything to do with us? Or am I too impatient right now?

With Allen and O'Neale, I hope they have deals in place already. But you are right - now that teams know the Suns have limited options, the returns may not be that great. Asking somebody to take on three more years of each player - thats rough. I thought maybe the Hornets would take on Allen for Williams since he is hurt this year

Richards and Martin are easy - jsut don't pick up the options.

[SkyBill40]

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F off Bailey. You have the privilege to play in the NBA and make millions.
Because he chose to be a dick, he's now in Utah instead of possibly Charlotte.
Now you don't go east and find yourself in an even worse situation than you had preferred.

EDIT: Also, Bailey and his agency will make this worse for him during the introductory presser. I hope he gets eaten alive

This kind of entitled behavior is annoying as hell. You can be disappointed, but you're not the guy to try and hold a team hostage. It was annoying when Steve Francis did it and the same with (for the most part) Kobe Bryant. And here we are once again.

Go and play your ass off. Show the team they made the RIGHT decision to take you, not pout about it because it's not where you wanted to go.

[SUN]

Sort of reminds me of Yi Jianlian wanting to get drafted by a big market team, going to the Bucks and checking out mentally. Here's hoping Ace Bailey isn't out of the league after letting his potential wither away.

[BobbieL]

Troy Daniels is a perfect example of evidence. Shooters that do nothing else don’t last in the NBA.

One comp I saw for Brea was Jimmer Fredette -- ouch! At least Brea is a bit taller. He does have a skillset to shoot the ball but he will need to find a bit more . Kerr wasn't the most athletic guy out of college

what a terrible comp. They play nothing alike. Absolutely 0 basketball knowledge.

I think the comparison to Fredette was on a one trick pony: good shooter but may not much else to his game

Flex compared him to Cam Johnson.

I am not sure he is that good -- but maybe equal as shooters but I think Cam had a bit more to his game. But thats easy for Flex - both similar height.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[RaisingArizona]

After what Utah did to the Yotes, glad it's their problem

[sunsbum]

One comp I saw for Brea was Jimmer Fredette -- ouch! At least Brea is a bit taller. He does have a skillset to shoot the ball but he will need to find a bit more . Kerr wasn't the most athletic guy out of college

what a terrible comp. They play nothing alike. Absolutely 0 basketball knowledge.

I think the comparison to Fredette was on a one trick pony: good shooter but may not much else to his game

Flex compared him to Cam Johnson.

I am not sure he is that good -- but maybe equal as shooters but I think Cam had a bit more to his game. But thats easy for Flex - both similar height.

That’s what I’m saying. Jimmy ferdette wasn’t a one trick pony spot up shooter. It’s just a bad comp. Cam Jo is closer but cam did a lot of other things like drive and slash without the ball. Someone on here mentioned Damion Lee and that seems to be closer to what he is judging solely from highlights. Just a spot up 3pt shooter. Anyways, I went back and looked at the success of the last 3-4 years of 2nd rounders. I’m not expecting anything from these guys.

[Saberestar]

One comp I saw for Brea was Jimmer Fredette -- ouch! At least Brea is a bit taller. He does have a skillset to shoot the ball but he will need to find a bit more . Kerr wasn't the most athletic guy out of college

what a terrible comp. They play nothing alike. Absolutely 0 basketball knowledge.

I think the comparison to Fredette was on a one trick pony: good shooter but may not much else to his game

Flex compared him to Cam Johnson.

I am not sure he is that good -- but maybe equal as shooters but I think Cam had a bit more to his game. But thats easy for Flex - both similar height.

Why do you care about whatever Flex says? I mean... at the end of the day he is a fan like us.

Some reporters talk to other executives or coaches to get inside info about a particular player/coach and they share that info and things like that but in Flex case he usually just gives his particular opinion.

[Saberestar]

The Summer Suns!

Suns summer league schedule

Fri. 7/11: 6p vs. Wizards, ESPN
Sun. 7/13: 12:30p vs. Hawks, NBA TV
Mon. 7/14: 7p vs. Kings, ESPNU
Wed. 7/16: 2p vs. T-Wolves, NBATV

[Fo-Real]

After what Utah did to the Yotes, glad it's their problem

Ainge is a prick, he deserves it.

[Fo-Real]

what a terrible comp. They play nothing alike. Absolutely 0 basketball knowledge.

I think the comparison to Fredette was on a one trick pony: good shooter but may not much else to his game

Flex compared him to Cam Johnson.

I am not sure he is that good -- but maybe equal as shooters but I think Cam had a bit more to his game. But thats easy for Flex - both similar height.

That’s what I’m saying. Jimmy ferdette wasn’t a one trick pony spot up shooter. It’s just a bad comp. Cam Jo is closer but cam did a lot of other things like drive and slash without the ball. Someone on here mentioned Damion Lee and that seems to be closer to what he is judging solely from highlights. Just a spot up 3pt shooter. Anyways, I went back and looked at the success of the last 3-4 years of 2nd rounders. I’m not expecting anything from these guys.

Cam was a sneaky good athlete which transfers to getting to the basket and capable defense.

[BobbieL]

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Good for Devin to get the bag - I am not blaming him one bit for signing the extension
I just am not sure whats the rush but so be it

I think the direction of team with the moves this week - I think they complement his game so time for DBook to ball out , lead this team. Not expecting playoffs. Just basketball that might be more enjoyable to watch

[Slim Charless]

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Good for Devin to get the bag - I am not blaming him one bit for signing the extension
I just am not sure whats the rush but so be it

I think the direction of team so time for DBook to ball out , lead this team and play hard

I liked the picks, dont like the Mark W overpay. Hoping we can move Greyson and Richards for picks.

Where's that Spurs troll? I actually like Greyson to them as they have no shooting on that team now. Castle/Fox/Vassel all arent good from range and Harper isn't much better. Grayson fits that team fantastically.

Also with Masai Ugari leaving the Raptors, makes me wish we could've gotten him. He wouldn't have signed on to be Ishbia's yes man so I guess its whatever.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bwgood77]

Pelton's grade:

Phoenix Suns: B
Round 1: Khaman Maluach (No. 10)
Round 2: Rasheer Fleming (No. 31), Koby Brea (No. 41)

A Duke center fell to the frontcourt-needy Suns, who also strangely traded to acquire former Duke center Mark Williams in a deal graded separately.

It's worth wondering, particularly in that context, whether Phoenix could have gotten the valuable trades down that teams just behind them made. But as Maluach was the top prospect on the board, standing pat made more sense for the Suns.

Phoenix used future picks to move up to the top pick in the second round and No. 41. Teams were competing to take Saint Joseph's forward Rasheer Fleming, 12th in my stats-only projections. Fleming gives the Suns another quality shot blocker, this time with more range. Though Brea is another shooting guard on a team overloaded with them, Phoenix could use his shooting -- he has the highest skill projection as a shooter of any player in my database -- particularly if Grayson Allen is traded.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45585239/2025-nba-draft-grades-winners-losers-sleepers-best-picks-value-reaches-all-30-teams-classes#phx

[King4Day]

Obviously Beal is almost if not impossible to move. Is there a chance that Grayson and O'neale aren't considered worth their contracts around the league and we cant dump them either? Surely Richards and Martin should be easy to offload to teams, but maybe teams around the league hate our owner still and refuses to want anything to do with us? Or am I too impatient right now?

With Allen and O'Neale, I hope they have deals in place already. But you are right - now that teams know the Suns have limited options, the returns may not be that great. Asking somebody to take on three more years of each player - thats rough. I thought maybe the Hornets would take on Allen for Williams since he is hurt this year

Richards and Martin are easy - jsut don't pick up the options.

I don't believe teams will try to screw the suns. MANY teams are in, or about to hit, the second apron. Not the time to build enemies as they may one day need help with relief. Outside of Ishbia and Gilbert, I think all other owners will play ball if it helps them. They won't give up the world, but they also won't not do it simply to get one over on the Suns because they don't care for the owner.