2025 NBA Draft Thread (pt 3)

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I bet Broome expected a guaranteed deal. That's why they probably passed on him.

I mean, who knows. We did have Broome in for a pre-draft workout, maybe he didn't look good in the workout, maybe he was out of shape or wasn't hitting shots.

Or our staff felt that there was so many good players left on the board at 32 that 1 of them would still be available if they traded back. So why not trade pick, pick up 3 extra 2nd round picks..plus to your point a guy picked at 32 is likely going to require a guaranteed contract and standard roster spot. A guy at 46 you can pay them less $ and can just throw them on a 2-way so less risk, less of an investment, more flexibility for a player who is basically just as good..

I just hope Markovic doesn't end up turning into a stud or we'll end up regretting passing on him..

[phincsfan]

I bet Broome expected a guaranteed deal. That's why they probably passed on him.

I mean, who knows. We did have Broome in for a pre-draft workout, maybe he didn't look good in the workout, maybe he was out of shape or wasn't hitting shots.

Or our staff felt that there was so many good players left on the board at 32 that 1 of them would still be available if they traded back. So why not trade pick, pick up 3 extra 2nd round picks..plus to your point a guy picked at 32 is likely going to require a guaranteed contract and standard roster spot. A guy at 46 you can pay them less $ and can just throw them on a 2-way so less risk, less of an investment, more flexibility for a player who is basically just as good..

I just hope Markovic doesn't end up turning into a stud or we'll end up regretting passing on him..

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Post#122 » by phincsfan » Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:33 am
I saw his name on a mock. Gonna add his name to my list.

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Markovic (not as a draft and stash though)


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I was ready to post this if they drafted him.

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Amari from the basketball hotbed of Nottingham England haha

at least that comes with an obvious nickname: The Sheriff.

Actually, isn't he good at getting steals?

The particularly tall (and strong) member of Robin Hood's band was Little John.

(Unfortunately for the metaphor, he was a pretty good marksman too, perhaps second only to Robin himself.)



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[Smart2Nesmith43]

I can get behind the Hugo pick but I’m baffled by trading down from 32 when there were good players available. Maybe we wanted Flemming and when he was gone Brad said F it.I know getting extra second round picks is great but overall zi’m really disappointed in our draft

He moved down to select players who can be signed to two-way contracts, which don't count against the cap. He was drafting for the Maine Celtics, not the Boston Celtics.

Bill Chisholm doesn't want to pay for proven NBA talent. I'm not shocked he doesn't want to pay for unproven NBA talent.

[Curmudgeon]

So we have the sheriff and mad max. I'm afraid Ukraine Train is already taken.

[winsomme2]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

[themoneyteam2]

So if Hugo flames out and Fleming turns into a rotational player. Does Brad finally start to get some criticism on his drafting?

Starts ? All we have in this threads is people critizing Stevens' drafting. Also I love how now we have to move to the realm of hypotheticals to find a way to knock Stevens. Couldn't base your take in reality ?

By the way I'm still waiting for you to explain that legendary take from wednesday:

The Celtics will trade for one of the Nets first round picks.

Count on it.

No way the nets keep 5 first round picks.

That's not rocket science. The nets had no reason to move those picks until draft night. They're not giving them away to take on a salary dump.

But you can't fix stupid and a team that picks 5 times in the first round, including 4 guards is not working with a full deck.

I couldn't respond to it because I got banned and the thread was closed.

Is this a fancy way of saying you were wrong and that the Celtics didn't trade for their picks and they made 5 picks?

[themoneyteam2]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

If they wanted him they would've taken him lol. Just because guys like Vecenie and Jay Bilas have a guy projected to be 1st rounders or Shams claims a team likes a guy, doesn't mean it's reality. Hell, Raynaud was mocked 1st round or early 2nd and "fell" to 42.

[brackdan70]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

Hugo isn’t really a gamble he was universally mocked as a first rounder. As high as 22.

[Hal14]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

ESPN's final mock had Hugo going 21st, Fleming going 27th.

The Athletic's Sam Vecenie had Hugo 24th, Fleming 32nd in his draft guide.

Fleming is an intriguing player but he's one of the lowest in this draft class in terms of feel/basketball IQ. Vecenie said on his podcast that some NBA teams like him but others just see him as a 2-way contract type of guy and that "he has no idea where he's going on defense".

Amari has much better feel/basketball IQ, much better awareness on both ends of the floor.

It was always doubtful that we were going to make both picks at 28 and 32. That is more $, more of an investment, more risk to take 2 guys that high, both guys would be expecting guaranteed 4 year standard contracts right from the get go for unproven players. Taking 1 of those picks and trading down (or out) made the most sense. The talent difference is very minimal in that draft range.

[playa-hater]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

Hugo isn’t really a gamble he was universally mocked as a first rounder. As high as 22.

I am still not sure why he was "universally mocked" as a first rder. He hasn't shown he is a high level shooter and doesn't seem like a creative play-maker type. I get he plays with great intensity and Boston can always use that (Nesmith style) He is a good, but not great athlete. There may be some upside of course. Combine that with positional need, there were players I would have thought were at the same or better Tier at positions we needed far more. (Fleming)

[winsomme2]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

ESPN's final mock had Hugo going 21st, Fleming going 27th.

The Athletic's Sam Vecenie had Hugo 24th, Fleming 32nd in his draft guide.

Fleming is an intriguing player but he's one of the lowest in this draft class in terms of feel/basketball IQ. Vecenie said on his podcast that some NBA teams like him but others just see him as a 2-way contract type of guy and that "he has no idea where he's going on defense".

Amari has much better feel/basketball IQ, much better awareness on both ends of the floor.

It was always doubtful that we were going to make both picks at 28 and 32. That is more $, more of an investment, more risk to take 2 guys that high, both guys would be expecting guaranteed 4 year standard contracts right from the get go for unproven players. Taking 1 of those picks and trading down (or out) made the most sense. The talent difference is very minimal in that draft range.

But the report from Shams was that we traded down because PHO swooped in and took Fleming and had that not happened we were going to stay at 32 and select him.

I agree that there is a lot of disagreement about how good Fleming will be. I'm not even totally sure what I think of Fleming.

I'm just saying if they wanted him, they should either have taken him at 28 or traded up one spot to 31.

Shams was spot on all night, so it seems pretty solid at this point that had Fleming been there at 32, they would have taken him.

It's certainly possible that the report was wrong but for me it's more likely that Brad wanted him and that trading down was plan B.

[The Corey's]

Starts ? All we have in this threads is people critizing Stevens' drafting. Also I love how now we have to move to the realm of hypotheticals to find a way to knock Stevens. Couldn't base your take in reality ?

By the way I'm still waiting for you to explain that legendary take from wednesday:

That's not rocket science. The nets had no reason to move those picks until draft night. They're not giving them away to take on a salary dump.

But you can't fix stupid and a team that picks 5 times in the first round, including 4 guards is not working with a full deck.

I couldn't respond to it because I got banned and the thread was closed.

Is this a fancy way of saying you were wrong and that the Celtics didn't trade for their picks and they made 5 picks?

I mean. What's your point?

The Celtics didn't make any moves. Its not as much that I'm wrong. It means the Celtics punted.

They weren't interested in improving the team.

Tank it is. Fine by me. I'll be here all season as I always am and you'll come and go like the rest of them.

[JR Hawks]

We're several years into the Stevens regime and are yet to see any proof that Brad cares about the draft. That's concerning for a rebuilding team under this new CBA. Brad is only going to be able to live off Danny's picks for so long.

[Bill Lumbergh]

No. I don't care about drafts. The players in the second round are a dime a dozen. Like, this is like when people whine about 5th round draft picks in nfl.


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What are you even arguing about then?

Stop whining .


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Oof. This got stupid quickly. Moving on.

[winsomme2]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

Hugo isn’t really a gamble he was universally mocked as a first rounder. As high as 22.

Fair enough. I’m certainly going to hope he delivers.

It just seems at the moment that Brad rolled the dice on Fleming and got somewhat outmaneuvered.

[winsomme2]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

Hugo isn’t really a gamble he was universally mocked as a first rounder. As high as 22.

I am still not sure why he was "universally mocked" as a first rder. He hasn't shown he is a high level shooter and doesn't seem like a creative play-maker type. I get he plays with great intensity and Boston can always use that (Nesmith style) He is a good, but not great athlete. There may be some upside of course. Combine that with positional need, there were players I would have thought were at the same or better Tier at positions we needed far more. (Fleming)

The one area where I’m going to be super open minded about Hugo is his ball handling.

If he turns out to be an elite ball handler, he could be a huge addition to the team and could play major minutes.

I feel like ball handling is something you can see right away.

[brackdan70]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

Hugo isn’t really a gamble he was universally mocked as a first rounder. As high as 22.

Fair enough. I’m certainly going to hope he delivers.

It just seems at the moment that Brad rolled the dice on Fleming and got somewhat outmaneuvered.

I mean he clearly wanted Hugo over Fleming…was maybe hoping to get both, we don’t really know, despite reports.

[themoneyteam2]

Seems like a misstep not taking Fleming at 28 if they really liked him because Hugo was the more likely of the two to be there at 32 IMO.

Kinda wished they traded down because they really like the talent later in the draft instead of trading down because another team beat them to the punch.

Honestly, Brad should have traded up to 31. The price for that couldn't have been that much.

I'm gonna stay hopeful that Hugo was worth the gamble because Amari and Max don't seem to add up to the potential of Rahseer. I guess I'll also hope that Amari and Max and Hugo have big showings in Summer League...

Hugo isn’t really a gamble he was universally mocked as a first rounder. As high as 22.

I am still not sure why he was "universally mocked" as a first rder. He hasn't shown he is a high level shooter and doesn't seem like a creative play-maker type. I get he plays with great intensity and Boston can always use that (Nesmith style) He is a good, but not great athlete. There may be some upside of course. Combine that with positional need, there were players I would have thought were at the same or better Tier at positions we needed far more. (Fleming)

For starters, he was a far superior player in Spain and Real Madrid specifically than Egor Demin, who just went top 10. The difference is Egor took the offer to go to BYU and showed out, while Hugo stayed at Madrid on their superteam. A big miscalculation in judgement on his end, but reality is going into last fall Hugo was the top prospect from Spain, ahead of both Egor and Kasparas (#20 pick, guard from Illinois).

Now maybe you don't like Egor or Kasparas which is totally fair, but Hugo is absolutely on the same level (and was better for the past few years). Not saying that means he'll be better in the NBA, but hard not to like the upside pick at 28 imo.

[themoneyteam2]

I can get behind the Hugo pick but I’m baffled by trading down from 32 when there were good players available. Maybe we wanted Flemming and when he was gone Brad said F it.I know getting extra second round picks is great but overall zi’m really disappointed in our draft

He moved down to select players who can be signed to two-way contracts, which don't count against the cap. He was drafting for the Maine Celtics, not the Boston Celtics.

Bill Chisholm doesn't want to pay for proven NBA talent. I'm not shocked he doesn't want to pay for unproven NBA talent.

This is ironic because the whole point of moving back for two-way contracts is so that you have a better chance at KEEPING your NBA players, instead of finding ways to dump Hauser/Niang/other salaries...