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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#121 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:08 pm

Dawkins said on The Junkies this morning that it wasn't bad drafting for need. That they are not there yet and they were looking at best player.

From the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/06/26/wizards-draft-johnson-riley/
Dawkins described Johnson and Riley as “skilled basketball players who know how to move the scoreboard” and later noted they “got to get better on the defensive end.”

“They’re ready for the challenge and they’re ready for more opportunity,” Dawkins said of the returning young Wizards. “We kind of like saying: ‘Go get it, go earn it. Everybody’s going to get a chance, and that’ll take care of itself.’ We’d rather have people do it that way than just give things out to them.”

“I would say [Watkins is] as mature and as competitive as a player we had come through the building,” Dawkins said Thursday after the draft’s conclusion. “He had a pretty rare combination for us of physicality on both ends when you watch him play. He’s got size. He’s got length. He has got versatility. He competes.”
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#122 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:12 pm

Frichuela wrote:On a different note, I hope they trade Kispert. I rather give his minutes to Bilal, Tre, Riley and George. Question is who could be interested? Orlando is gone as a potential candidate post Bane’s trade.
I hope they keep Corey and get another white guy. Half joking.

In last year's draft, i liked Dalton Knecht, Baylor Scheierman, and the PG from Marquette, who the Knicks drafted. (I feel too lazy to search).

Is Jay Huff a FA?

OKC had the law firm of Holmgren, Hartenstein, and Caruso reppin' them.

White folk (channeling my inner Petey Greene) can hoop!

Paige Bueckers, Sonia Citron, Sarah Ashley Barker, Cooper Flagg, Kon Knueppel, Liam McNeely, Danny Wolf, Kasparas Jakucionis, Egor Denim, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxine Raynaud, Joan Beringer(?), Vlad Goldin, Grant Peterson

If I were a GM, I would love to have a TJ McConnell on my team.

Seriously.

Last. I think Corey needs to go to the Celtics or the Lakers/Warriors/Trailblazer or the Magic.

He will up blow up at Madison Square Garden.

THE KNICKS would be awesome for Kispert.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#124 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:22 pm

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Frichuela wrote:On a different note, I hope they trade Kispert. I rather give his minutes to Bilal, Tre, Riley and George. Question is who could be interested? Orlando is gone as a potential candidate post Bane’s trade.
I hope they keep Corey and get another white guy. Half joking.

In last year's draft, i liked Dalton Knecht, Baylor Scheierman, and the PG from Marquette, who the Knicks drafted. (I feel too lazy to search).

Is Jay Huff a FA?

OKC had the law firm of Holmgren, Hartenstein, and Caruso reppin' them.

White folk (channeling my inner Petey Greene) can hoop!

Paige Bueckers, Sonia Citron, Sarah Ashley Barker, Cooper Flagg, Kon Knueppel, Liam McNeely, Danny Wolf, Kasparas Jakucionis, Egor Denim, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxine Raynaud, Joan Beringer(?), Vlad Goldin, Grant Peterson

If I were a GM, I would love to have a TJ McConnell on my team.

Seriously.

Last. I think Corey needs to go to the Celtics or the Lakers/Warriors/Trailblazer or the Magic.

He will up. THE KNICKS would be awesome for Kispert.


That brings up a good point (kind of). Who was the Wizards/Bullets best white American player? I'd have to go back to the Bullets with Jeff Ruland. Then either Googs or to the 70s with Grevey or Kupchak. Maybe Rex Chapman, who averaged 18 ppg in one season.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#125 » by AFM » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:35 pm

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#126 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:38 pm

DCZards wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:MOST OF ALL, WATKINS WILL BE THE TOUGHEST ROOKIE. Why, man? Why draft ... him?

It says screw you to both Kyshawn George and Bilal Coulibaly.

I doubt that George or Bilal have anything to worry about when it comes to Watkins. But if he does end up being better than one or both of them, isn’t that a good thing?

You mentioned Rasheed Wallace who the Bullets traded because they thought we had too many PFs with him, Howard and Webber. How did that turn out?


Good for Rasheed. Detroit basketball won the NBA Finals. RW and Rip Hamilton got rings.

Their youthful shenanigans so bothered Abe/Wes that those two fools traded C Webb to Sacramento. The NBA refs cheated to keep him from sending Shaq and Kobe fishing one playoffs. Webber almost had a shot at a ring.

They gave Howard the bag only to hire a lunch pail coach Gar Heard, who only appreciated hardhat wearing PFs. So, to Howard's good fortune, Pat Riley eventually got Juwan. JH got his ring and is still beloved in Miami.

SO THE NET RESULT OF TOO MANY PFs was all of them went elsewhere.

Washington yielded nada.

We've been no good 90% of the 25-30 years since.

GEORGE and COULIBALY are gonna get squeezed for PT by McCollum, Middleton, Marcus Smart, Tre Johnson, Will Riley, Justin Champagnie, Corey Kispert, Jaylin Martin, and Jamir Watkins.

If Watkins is better from day one, how would handle rosters, egos, team chemistry etc.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#127 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:42 pm

Frichuela wrote:On a different note, I hope they trade Kispert. I rather give his minutes to Bilal, Tre, Riley and George. Question is who could be interested? Orlando is gone as a potential candidate post Bane’s trade.
The Knicks.

Bridges was hit or miss in the playoffs.

Spike Lee and Ben Stiller each would cast handsome Corey in movies.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#128 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:46 pm

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Post#129 » by doclinkin » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:52 pm

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WallToWall wrote:Ok…
I am going to admit that, beyond our first pick, I don’t understand how the rest of our picks help in a rebuild. I assume that Dawkins went for BPA with the last 2 picks as opposed to BPA at positions of need (correct me if this is wrong). Doesn’t this strategy slow down the rebuild process because we still have positions of need to fill, as we have to spend time to evaluate the play of a crowded position (wing guard)? Or is Dawkins signaling that we are fine with the C, PF, and SF positions because we have who we need (I don’t understand that)?
Can someone who has an understanding of the strategy being followed explain it to me?
I can’t claim to know for sure this FO’s drafting strategy. But after watching several videos of the second pick Riley over the last 24+ hours I know why they drafted him—he’s extremely skilled offensively and could end up being a major steal at pick 21.

You don’t pass on that to pick a third or fourth tier C or PF simply because you need one.

Personally, I wanted the Zards to draft Fleming but I do see Riley’s tremendous upside.


This.

W2W. The thing to remember is we are in the talent acquisition phase, not the team assembly phase. We are still digging the site of a rebuild, not yet even pouring the foundations.

We have to lose this year or we miss one more chance at a franchise caliber player. If we don't land in the top 8 this draft we lose out on a historic draft. One the pundits have been tracking for 3 years and say is deeper in top end talent than this year. With multiple Flagg level players. This team needs a no-question high usage high efficient player to carry us. Do we have a franchise player yet? Until we have that guy we have nothing to build around. The draft is the best chance to get that player for free. Losing that asset for no reason is poor strategy.

So. How do we get there. How do we both add good talent and still lose. One way is by strategic redundancy. That is: add depth of talent in places where you already have talent. Instead of adding minor upgrades in your area of weakness. Frankly I like that strategy better than the Grunfeldian philosophy of designed vulnerability: where you might have an all-star at a position of need, but intentionally put no back-ups behind them, so if they catch an injury from over-use you can bottom out and earn a high lotto pick. A la the Spurs with Robinson and Duncan. Not fun when Arenas goes down, and we had refused to select Curry behind him because we already 'had' a PG. Not fun when all our back-ups to John Wall are undersized and overmatched.

Here we simply add talent. Regardless of position if the upside is there. But if that player falls in a position that we have a guy, fine, that's a good thing. They can push each other for minutes, test each other in practice, gladiator school style, and whichever one wins out earns the top minutes. It gives a coach the ability to sub out a guy for teaching moments. While still remaining young and energetic on the floor. We can afford to freely sub youth for youth instead of overplaying the veteran in front of them. Especially if many are switchable between guard and wing spots.

Would we be better this year if we had selected a solid upperclassman in the front court? Yes. Marginally. But we saw this spring that even one extra win will scramble your hopes and draft strategies. The biggest weakness of this team is interior defense and rebounding. We did not answer that need in the draft. You have to figure that is intentional. Why. You saw how our record took a bump as soon as we dropped Kuzma and played Champagnie in his minutes. Can we afford a whole year of that? Look around the East. The Celts shipped out 40% of their championship starting 5. Brooklyn is trying to play 5 rookie point guards who can't shoot. The Bucks have Giannis, and nothing else. And may be forced to ship him.

So. Unless the front court player we are picking up was too good to pass up. Unless that guy had an upside that could be all-star level. We can pass on drafting for roster balance for now. We want talent above all. We are okay adding guys who look like they can play, bring the right attitude, and also have that upside. Room to grow.

Is there enough play time to develop them? One sneaky asset we have used that other teams don't seem to utilize as well is the close synergy between the Wiz and out G-League team. Amber Nichols has been promoted to overseeing all player development, as well as closely tracking the scouting and talent acquisition departments. Under her direction the GoGo has become a guard academy. Growing a remarkable % of players who graduate to the NBA. Here and jumping to other teams. Those players climb to the back end of our bench, then become trade assets coveted by other teams. We got a 1st round pick from Philly in exchange for a guy with a heart condition that was cast off by other teams. We grew Champagnie to a force at the back end of the bench.

I don't mind sifting Will Riley and Jamir Watkins into the mix. Every time I tried to scout Jakucionas I noticed this skinny kid aggressively forcing the action. Will Riley needs size to be able to play the way his instincts tell him to. But the GoGo don't play 82 games. There is more time for a motivated player to hit the weights and work with big time training staff. He's another Dawkins special who is still in the middle of his growth spurt. He has yet to add grown weight an muscle. If and when he does though, his shifty probing attacking style will become tough to stop. And as for Watkins, we are really complaining about adding a defensive tough guy to our G league team? That can only help us develop guys in the minor league, and if he surprises and breaks out, we get a rough cut diamond a la Champagnie. We are not trying to build our NBA roster with the 43rd pick, we are adding to Amber Nichols arsenal in the developmental league. That helps any guy we have to send back for seasoning, by ensuring that they are dropping in to a competitive atmosphere no matter what.

Look. I'm the Big Man evangelist. I wanted Maluach if Ace didn't fall. Sad/funny I think both of those players would have better careers if they had landed with us. I feel bad for both that they are not in ideal spots to succeed. As for other Bigs, I wanted Sorber, even in a trade up. I think I would have taken Rocco even, at 43. But I don't hate the concept that in this phase of roster building, the team simply wants the guys they think are killers who love the game and have a chance to get better and better as they commit to personal growth.

In my read of their personality, I can see synergy between Kyshawn and Riley when they get dropped in off the bench. Both have that deadmans face and aggressive mindset, one with the dribble-drive attack, the other with no conscience in shooting every open shot. I get the sense this team is going to have fun playing next to each other. My feeling is win or lose we are going to have players who enjoy competition and will push each other to get better, on and off the court. I don't think you can add too many of that kind of player.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#130 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:56 pm

payitforward wrote:We have an option on Richaun Holmes. He'll do fine.


With the last name Holmes, of course he will.

Trace Adkins, "A Country Boy Will Survive" in mind.
That and Lynrd Skynrd, "Simple Man," are favorites of mind.

Last, I have no idea why, but EWF's "September" is also on my mind.

RICHAUN HOLMES went to Bowling Green.

Way back in the day, my Bowie State fraternity brother went to grad school at BG. We took a road trip to see him.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#131 » by DCZards » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:00 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:GEORGE and COULIBALY are gonna get squeezed for PT by McCollum, Middleton, Marcus Smart, Tre Johnson, Will Riley, Justin Champagnie, Corey Kispert, Jaylin Martin, and Jamir Watkins.

If Watkins is better from day one, how would handle rosters, egos, team chemistry etc.

McCollum, Smart and Johnson are guards so they won’t be taking minutes from Keyshawn or Bilal. Middleton may play some 3. Martin probably won’t be on the roster. Riley and Watkins will be back-and-forth between the G League and the Zards.

That leaves Keyshawn, Bilal, Champaigne and Kispert as the primary 3/4s.

And dealing with egos comes with the territory for coaches and GMs.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#132 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:06 pm

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#133 » by Gig18 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:06 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Frichuela wrote:On a different note, I hope they trade Kispert. I rather give his minutes to Bilal, Tre, Riley and George. Question is who could be interested? Orlando is gone as a potential candidate post Bane’s trade.
I hope they keep Corey and get another white guy. Half joking.

In last year's draft, i liked Dalton Knecht, Baylor Scheierman, and the PG from Marquette, who the Knicks drafted. (I feel too lazy to search).

Is Jay Huff a FA?

OKC had the law firm of Holmgren, Hartenstein, and Caruso reppin' them.

White folk (channeling my inner Petey Greene) can hoop!

Paige Bueckers, Sonia Citron, Sarah Ashley Barker, Cooper Flagg, Kon Knueppel, Liam McNeely, Danny Wolf, Kasparas Jakucionis, Egor Denim, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxine Raynaud, Joan Beringer(?), Vlad Goldin, Grant Peterson

If I were a GM, I would love to have a TJ McConnell on my team.

Seriously.

Last. I think Corey needs to go to the Celtics or the Lakers/Warriors/Trailblazer or the Magic.

He will up. THE KNICKS would be awesome for Kispert.


That brings up a good point (kind of). Who was the Wizards/Bullets best white American player? I'd have to go back to the Bullets with Jeff Ruland. Then either Googs or to the 70s with Grevey or Kupchak. Maybe Rex Chapman, who averaged 18 ppg in one season.


I think Jack Marin was a 2-time all-star. Kevin Loughery and Mike Riordan were good when I was growing up...
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#134 » by tontoz » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:10 pm

I am glad we didn't try to reach for a center. I am sure we will bring in someone, either undrafted or through free agency, but I think it is time to let Tristan sink or swim.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#135 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:14 pm

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Interesting comp!

Overall, I was initially disappointed that Ace went to the Jazz, but I am now convinced every cloud has a silver lining. Tre has a greater floor and if he works on his body and D, he could become an all star. His pairing with Bub may work well, with 2 high IQ 6’5” guards in our backcourt.

This is actually not a good comp. And it's why I don't per 40 numbers. When one player is the number 1 scoring option on their respective team and gets all of the defensive attention/focus and still needs to score while the other player plays with Karl-Anthony Towns, Harrison twins, Trey Lyles, Tyler Ulis, Willie Cauley Stein, Dakari Johnson and more great recruits it's not fair to compare those two players.

The amount of offensive generation that was put on the shoulders of Johnson was simply astounding. Imo, Johnson is closer to Steph and Trae Young than he is to Devin Booker. The hole in Johnson's game is his he doesn't have the passing/playmaking of those other guys. But we have to call a spade a spade. During February - the heart of SEC play - Johnson averaged 26/4.3/3.7 with a slash line of 44/43/89.

Using per 40 and then comparing him to someone who's on a super talented team doesn't fully capture his impact. Barring a shocking turn of events by next season Tre will be the best offensive player on this team. The only question is how good can he be. If he can improve his inside the 3-point line game, improve his finishing, improving his passing and playmaking he has a chance to be top 15 ppg scorer in the NBA. At worst Tre projects as Desmond Bane type. There are things that we can get nit picky about like extending range to way behind the three point line so we can have more space on our PnR.
The Wizards done fooled around and got their self a superstar. Maybe so. Yessir! Tre Johnson will be a better scorer than Bradley Beal.

The crazy thing is that i believe Riley has an even higher ceiling.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#136 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:18 pm

Frichuela wrote:Potential drama emerging in Utah…let’s get the popcorn and watch…

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Did Utah get (I will check) Walter Clayton Jr. AND Jeremiah Fields?

Well, that sucks.

Then again, Rick Pitino took 1st year Mark Jackson and rookie Rod Strickland as his PGs to the playoffs.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#137 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:20 pm

closg00 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
closg00 wrote:I thought for-sure we would add a Center so Alex wouldn't get mauled in the post as he bulks-up, Dawkins doesn't value rebounding and the half court game so-far in the rebuild.


Designed tanking. And a recognition you can get a Valanciunas type cheap in free agency.


Sell me on adding a sunsetting Center later on our timeline as a strategy for being competitive, when other teams are developing their young front courts along the same timeline.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#138 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:27 pm

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Frichuela wrote:On a different note, I hope they trade Kispert. I rather give his minutes to Bilal, Tre, Riley and George. Question is who could be interested? Orlando is gone as a potential candidate post Bane’s trade.


I definitely do not speak for all Bucks fans but if it costs little more than matching salaries I would gladly take him in Milwaukee. I'm pretty curious to see what sort of value he actually has on the market with everyone seemingly trying to cut costs. He's relatively cheap but it's also a long-term contract which will probably cross him off the list for a lot of teams.


You mean that after dealing with the Wizards got you Kyle Kuzma, Milwaukee would trade again in good faith with Washington?

No, you "definitely do not speak for all Bucks fans." :)
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Post#139 » by Gig18 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:28 pm

Yup. we still need pieces. No big man hurts. Yes, we missed on some dudes who got picked right before us.
But. I think we did a pretty masterful job of actually raising our talent level, picking a couple of guys who could be real studs AND managing to still tread water. Maybe. Maybe, keep that top 8 pick for next year.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#140 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:30 pm

Gig18 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I hope they keep Corey and get another white guy. Half joking.

In last year's draft, i liked Dalton Knecht, Baylor Scheierman, and the PG from Marquette, who the Knicks drafted. (I feel too lazy to search).

Is Jay Huff a FA?

OKC had the law firm of Holmgren, Hartenstein, and Caruso reppin' them.

White folk (channeling my inner Petey Greene) can hoop!

Paige Bueckers, Sonia Citron, Sarah Ashley Barker, Cooper Flagg, Kon Knueppel, Liam McNeely, Danny Wolf, Kasparas Jakucionis, Egor Denim, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxine Raynaud, Joan Beringer(?), Vlad Goldin, Grant Peterson

If I were a GM, I would love to have a TJ McConnell on my team.

Seriously.

Last. I think Corey needs to go to the Celtics or the Lakers/Warriors/Trailblazer or the Magic.

He will up. THE KNICKS would be awesome for Kispert.


That brings up a good point (kind of). Who was the Wizards/Bullets best white American player? I'd have to go back to the Bullets with Jeff Ruland. Then either Googs or to the 70s with Grevey or Kupchak. Maybe Rex Chapman, who averaged 18 ppg in one season.


I think Jack Marin was a 2-time all-star. Kevin Loughery and Mike Riordan were good when I was growing up...


Yeah, Baltimore Bullets, before my time, though I remember Riordan when he was in Landover and he had some good years before just fading away. Grevey had five straight years of averaging 15.1 points and around 2.5 assists. Ruland, when healthy, would have been an all-time great Bullets player. Averaged double digit rebounds for four straight seasons and 19 points per game for all five seasons he was with Washington. Traded to Philly and wund up playing just 5 games before reitiring at 28 and came bewk a few years later for an ill-fated comeback.

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