NBA Trade Thread #12

Infinity2152 · Post #1801 » by **Infinity2152** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:12 pm

Whitmore would be buried here too. Current roster, he'd be behind Coby, Huerter and Ayo at SG at least. There's no way they're running Giddey, Coby, Huerter together, at least I hope not.

leo921 · Post #1802 » by **leo921** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:28 pm

Smith/Whitmore for White/Phillips/Port pick

Houston becomes Van Fleet/White/Durant/Thompson/Sengun with a pretty nice bench Sheppard/Phillips/Eason/Adams

Bulls get Giddy/Whitmore/Matas/Smith/Collins (assuming Vuc is gone in somewhat or deal) we are now younger and uptempo with some solid defenders in Matas/Smith/Collins and still have a strong bench with Ball/Ayo/Huerter/Noa/Smith .

burlydee · Post #1803 » by **burlydee** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:16 pm

Infinity2152 wrote:Whitmore would be buried here too. Current roster, he'd be behind Coby, Huerter and Ayo at SG at least. There's no way they're running Giddey, Coby, Huerter together, at least I hope not.

Those were the starters at end of last season.

I think he has a pretty clear pathway to about 20 minutes a night. More if he performs.

Giddey 28 / Jones 16 / Ayo 4
White 32 /Ayo 16
Huerter 24 / Whitmore 20 / Giddey 4
Matas 28 / Essengue 20
Vuc 24 / Collins 24.

Plus Huerter, Ayo, Coby are all free agents. No way you bring all 3 back.

ChettheJet · Post #1804 » by **ChettheJet** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:54 pm

Infinity2152 wrote:Whitmore would be buried here too. Current roster, he'd be behind Coby, Huerter and Ayo at SG at least. There's no way they're running Giddey, Coby, Huerter together, at least I hope not.

You could be very disappointed because unless they make a substantial deal and Billy shares the doubts of the people around here I can see

Huerter Ayo/Ball
Matas Williams
Vucevic Collins Smith
White Ayo
Giddey Ball

leo's trade is really optimistic

that HOU has any more faith in PORT than anybody else, they've already got a basket of picks
they just got a break with FVV are they going to pay big money for Coby, I say No, what good is Philips to them

The Bulls will have gone in for Giddey,, have their own Smith, can bring back Collins for less, it shows Jones signed, need to keep some of Huerter, Ayo still have Williams while the new Smith and Whitmore come up for new contracts

Dan Z · Post #1805 » by **Dan Z** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:33 pm

ChettheJet wrote:
Infinity2152 wrote:Whitmore would be buried here too. Current roster, he'd be behind Coby, Huerter and Ayo at SG at least. There's no way they're running Giddey, Coby, Huerter together, at least I hope not.

You could be very disappointed because unless they make a substantial deal and Billy shares the doubts of the people around here I can see

Huerter Ayo/Ball
Matas Williams
Vucevic Collins Smith
White Ayo
Giddey Ball

leo's trade is really optimistic

that HOU has any more faith in PORT than anybody else, they've already got a basket of picks
they just got a break with FVV are they going to pay big money for Coby, I say No, what good is Philips to them

The Bulls will have gone in for Giddey,, have their own Smith, can bring back Collins for less, it shows Jones signed, need to keep some of Huerter, Ayo still have Williams while the new Smith and Whitmore come up for new contracts

Do we even know if Whitmore is good? He can score, but doesn't pass much. That's not a good combination, but I do think he has potential.

Chi town · Post #1806 » by **Chi town** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:37 pm

Dan Z wrote:
ChettheJet wrote:
Infinity2152 wrote:Whitmore would be buried here too. Current roster, he'd be behind Coby, Huerter and Ayo at SG at least. There's no way they're running Giddey, Coby, Huerter together, at least I hope not.

You could be very disappointed because unless they make a substantial deal and Billy shares the doubts of the people around here I can see

Huerter Ayo/Ball
Matas Williams
Vucevic Collins Smith
White Ayo
Giddey Ball

leo's trade is really optimistic

that HOU has any more faith in PORT than anybody else, they've already got a basket of picks
they just got a break with FVV are they going to pay big money for Coby, I say No, what good is Philips to them

The Bulls will have gone in for Giddey,, have their own Smith, can bring back Collins for less, it shows Jones signed, need to keep some of Huerter, Ayo still have Williams while the new Smith and Whitmore come up for new contracts

Do we even know if Whitmore is good? He can score, but doesn't pass much. That's not a good combination, but I do think he has potential.

Cam is a bucket but seems to only care about scoring. Doesn’t pass or really play D.

It does make me wonder what he’d look like in fast pace system like ours. He is an athletic freak. You’d think he’d thrive. He’s also a lot like Mathurin in the half court. He wants to dribble and not make quick decisions.

Trade Board seems to think he’s only worth two 2nds. HOU doesn’t have a SG now so we shall see what Cam has.

2weekswithpay · Post #1807 » by **2weekswithpay** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:11 am

Read on Twitter

Reid is off the market.

Infinity2152 · Post #1808 » by **Infinity2152** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:13 am

Whitmore is 6'7, 230 so I guess he'd be competing with Pat Will, Phillips and Noa for minutes off the bench. That's kind of worse, all are pretty much guaranteed to be here. With Ball at 6'6 and Giddey at 6'8, they can play with 3 guards a lot too.

On the flip side, he could be good enough to take the starter spot or a long term role player. Withdraw my objection, for Ball I'd do it.

Muzbar · Post #1809 » by **Muzbar** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:54 am

I'd still like to look into trading for Nic Claxton, only 3 years left on his deal and it declines each season.

Don't know how highly the Nets value him, maybe they'd be interest in getting an expiring Vuc for their tank plus another player (Julian Phillips?)

Gives the Bulls a young defensive rim running bigman who doesn't need a bunch of touches on offense.

Just a thought.

Infinity2152 · Post #1810 » by **Infinity2152** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:09 am

Muzbar wrote:I'd still like to look into trading for Nic Claxton, only 3 years left on his deal and it declines each season.

Don't know how highly the Nets value him, maybe they'd be interest in getting an expiring Vuc for their tank plus another player (Julian Phillips?)

Gives the Bulls a young defensive rim running bigman who doesn't need a bunch of touches on offense.

Just a thought.

Like the idea. Nets made 5 first round picks, and waited until the last one to grab a center. Claxton's the least likely player to be moved, imo. They passed on Maluach and Queen. Would make the call, though.

sco · Post #1811 » by **sco** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:13 am

2weekswithpay wrote:

Read on Twitter

Reid is off the market.

Not surprising MIN kept him, but that's a lot to spend on him. Is it a signal that Gobert or Randle are headed out?

WesPeace · Post #1812 » by **WesPeace** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:14 am

Yeah, I think Gobert would be moved if possible at deadline.. they will keep him for a while to welcome and mentor his french young bud Beringer.

Skybox · Post #1813 » by **Skybox** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:42 pm

What do you think?

ORL sends: Goga Bitadze & Jett Howard
CHI sends: Lonzo Ball & 2 srps

Goga is a young, physical C on a great deal. Could either back up Vuc for a year or allow CHI to move Vuc more comfortably. Howard can straight up shoot it, but just can't get on the floor in ORL...he's only got this upcoming season guaranteed, so, IMO, could be a high-upside/low risk tryout for a still very young guy with a clear NBA skill yet to be unlocked.

ORL needs some of that Lonzo BBIQ coming off the bench .

sco · Post #1814 » by **sco** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:50 pm

Skybox wrote:What do you think?

ORL sends: Goga Bitadze & Jett Howard
CHI sends: Lonzo Ball & 2 srps

Goga is a young, physical C on a great deal. Could either back up Vuc for a year or allow CHI to move Vuc more comfortably. Howard can straight up shoot it, but just can't get on the floor in ORL...he's only got this upcoming season guaranteed, so, IMO, could be a high-upside/low risk tryout for a still very young guy with a clear NBA skill yet to be unlocked.

ORL needs some of that Lonzo BBIQ coming off the bench .

I would do that deal. I'm a big Bitadze fan.

Skybox · Post #1815 » by **Skybox** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:02 pm

sco wrote:
Skybox wrote:What do you think?

ORL sends: Goga Bitadze & Jett Howard
CHI sends: Lonzo Ball & 2 srps

Goga is a young, physical C on a great deal. Could either back up Vuc for a year or allow CHI to move Vuc more comfortably. Howard can straight up shoot it, but just can't get on the floor in ORL...he's only got this upcoming season guaranteed, so, IMO, could be a high-upside/low risk tryout for a still very young guy with a clear NBA skill yet to be unlocked.

ORL needs some of that Lonzo BBIQ coming off the bench .

I would do that deal. I'm a big Bitadze fan.

I think he is too...but WCJ gets the trust of coach Mose for his switchy defense and Moe Wagner is pretty critical for his offense off the bench. ORL has too much money committed to the position right now, even though all 3 Centers are decent deals, individually. ORL's getting into the big money crunch and NEEDS to address backcourt playmaking...I'd suggest ORL just gets a Miles Plumlee -type for $3m just to eat some minutes. Goga is too good for that.

Infinity2152 · Post #1816 » by **Infinity2152** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:11 pm

Bulls have 3 centers right now. Bitadze is just as buried here even if we trade one. We 'd probably have to move two for him to play. If that happens, why not go after Gafford or Lively instead of Bitadze? They're about the same age, Gafford's a better defender, rebounder, rim runner and the 10% from 3 last year and 14% from three a year before makes him worse than Gafford imo because Gafford doesn't waste possessions missing threes.

Dallas is supposed to be looking at D'Angelo Russell in FA, so they'd probably have interest in Ball. And probably love to get Coby, might be able to pry Lively loose.

Skybox · Post #1817 » by **Skybox** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:14 pm

NVM...Ball for Okoro :banghead:

Sorry, I don't really like it for CHI.

Infinity2152 · Post #1818 » by **Infinity2152** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:34 pm

Welp, Cleveland will be the top team in the East this year. Okoro has had a PER of around 10 since he's been in the league. VORP of .4 over the last two years. Negative BPM every year. Okoro has been slightly better than Pat Will and we already have Pat will. And Ayo is a similar player to Okoro, but better.

Gave up a 26 year old that's good at EVERYTHING we could have gotten a much better prospect for, imo. Hate this deal.

MrSparkle · Post #1819 » by **MrSparkle** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:35 pm

We’re log-jammed at every position now, with similarly skills (lot of 1-ways). Basically older mediocre players, younger prospects who need developmental minutes. Like last year, this depth chart is stacked like a contender (like Indiana and OKC)… except zero top-25 players (let alone 2 or 3) at the top. Nice complimentary depth for Luka, Booker, Giannis… for Giddey, Coby and Vuc? Able to withstand an injury tsunami… to make the play-in?

Maybe a consolidation trade happens, but (a) I don’t see a target player anymore and (b) ME suggested this roster’s largely staying intact.

Maybe Matas becomes a superstar. :meditate:

ChettheJet · Post #1820 » by **ChettheJet** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:44 pm

Still trying to figure this out. It's not making sense to have Okoro with a guaranteed 2nd year over Lonzo's not fully guaranteed when by the numbers he doesn't outperform Patrick and he really doesn't look like a PF.

I can't get off thinking this is setting up another trade. It's kind of a puzzle to assemble to see if there is a team that wants Vuc's expiring contract that possibly drafted a PG and needs to move a veteran PG that's close to Vuc's $21M, or there are some other players to add into the mix. They obviously wouldn't have wanted Lonzo the PG in return but maybe Okoro as a SF. And since it's after the draft somebody the other team drafted in the 2nd.