The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread

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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#81 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:39 pm

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Inigo Montoya wrote:The Wizards just traded for McCollum, not sure it's the best fit for Johnson. And the Pelicans traded for Murray last season but at least Fears will get some minutes because of the injury. Still not sure I like the fit for either.

I feel like they thought they were getting Ace.

I interpret it the other way. They traded away Poole, a 26-year-old SG on a 2-year contract for McCollum, a 34-year-old PG/SG on a 1-year contract. It looks like they were clearing room at the SG position, not adding to the log jam.
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#82 » by Daddy 801 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:13 pm

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Daddy 801 wrote:Thank god. If we were 2-4 years farther along in the rebuild and we had our young stars I’d love to keep those guys, but it just doesn’t make sense to keep them. Just offload Collins and Sexton for an unprotected pick for Dame, PG, or whomever. Maybe to LA for a pick and to drop the restrictions on the 27 pick. I don’t know….something. Hell….trade them for the rights to a bunch of overseas guys who are stashed who could be helpful in 2-4 years. If all we can get is 2nd round picks fine. Just something.

I’m just preaching to the choir though. You guys all probably agree with that.

I do agree. But ever since that Doncic trade the restrictions on that 2027 pick don't really matter that much. That freakin' Nico.. :nonono:



Unless Luka gets injured I agree. I put almost no value on taking the restrictions off.

But an injury and LA ending up 12th or something and the gods bless us like they blessed Dallas could happen. And hopefully that’s LeBrons last season and he continues to decline.

I mean….i don’t wish injury or bad play from players. But if the Gods want to bless us with a 1-4 pick due to LA’s misfortune I won’t complain.
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#83 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:05 am

Hate the Tonje pick. He was bad at the combine scrimmages, gets no defensive stats, and is old.
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Post#84 » by WinterSoldier » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:21 am

babyjax13 wrote:Hate the Tonje pick. He was bad at the combine scrimmages, gets no defensive stats, and is old.


I'm convinced that after the top 10 picks that a random generator or group of 12 year old's would draft better than the Jazz front office.
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#85 » by Fido » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:56 am

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45585239/2025-nba-draft-grades-winners-losers-sleepers-best-picks-value-reaches-all-30-teams-classes#utah

Jazz' draft grade: B+
Round 1: Ace Bailey (No. 5), Walter Clayton Jr. (No. 18)
Round 2: John Tonje (No. 53)

I've compared Bailey to the Boston Celtics' duo of Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum coming out of college in terms of the benefit to him going to a contending team, where he'd be asked to refine his shot selection.

That comparison looks especially relevant with the same executives who took those wings (Austin and Danny Ainge) taking Bailey to join an Utah team that's still far from winning. The value proposition for Bailey, fifth in my model, makes sense here. And I'm not particularly worried that Bailey didn't want to land here.

But the Jazz will have to carefully manage his development to turn Bailey into a perimeter star like the Celtics did with Brown and Tatum. Adding Clayton, an NCAA champion and dangerous outside shooter, could help that process. Utah has a crowded backcourt, but veterans Jordan Clarkson and Collin Sexton may not be part of that for long, creating opportunity for Clayton.

At 24, Tonje was the oldest player selected, so his ability to get to the foul line nearly seven times per game at Wisconsin as a sixth-year senior is worth discounting. But Tonje hitting them at 91% clip and 38% of his 3s career should translate better to the NBA.
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#86 » by Catchall » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:36 am

Tonje looks like a bigger, more downhill version of Juzang, whose contract has a guarantee date of June 30 btw.
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Post#87 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:33 am

Apparently Tonje and Arthur Kaluma were great in workouts.
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#88 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:09 am

RJ Luis is a good 2-way signing. Would have preferred him to Tonje so between that and hearing that Tonje was great in workouts (from the locked on big board guys) I am more okay with this.
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#89 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:09 pm

Why are the Jazz drafting 24-year olds?
Draft Nate Wolters - FAILED
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Post#90 » by Hoops Addict » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:19 pm

ACE was a great pick!

Clayton info

https://hoopshype.com/lists/walter-clayton-jr-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-intel/
90th percentile for many types of shooting.

Got football scholarship at U of Florida....that's legit for toughness. What position?


Strengths:
* Showed poise and impact as the Most Outstanding Player on a national championship team; delivered under pressure in March Madness.

* High-volume three-point shooter who converts at a strong clip (38.6% on high attempts); elite shooter in both spot-up and off-screen actions (Spot-Up: 0.910 PPP – 92nd percentile, Off Screens: 1.286 PPP, Catch & Shoot: 1.171 PPP – 91st percentile)

* Thrives as a pull-up shooter and step-back threat; can shoot off varied footwork and angles.

* Free throw percentage of 87.5% suggests long-term shooting sustainability.

* Strong transition weapon: 1.450 PPP in transition (95th percentile); fast, decisive, and confident on the open floor.

* Maintains solid assist numbers (4.2 apg) for a player more comfortable as a scoring guard; can pass in pick-and-rolls and drive-and-kick sets.

* Posted a 1.7 assist-to-turnover ratio – reasonable for a hybrid combo guard.

* Shot creation flashes from isolation and P&R situations (Isolation: 1.297 PPP – 97th percentile, P&R Ball Handler: 0.972 PPP – 74th percentile)

* Finishes well at the rim when lanes are available: 60.4% FG at the rim, 1.21 PPP.

* Has real confidence and competitiveness; handled large usage and delivered late in games.

* Rebounds well for his size: 3.7 rpg with 3.3 defensive boards per game.

* Defensively, showed improvement year-over-year (Overall defense: 0.776 PPP allowed – 82nd percentile); versatile enough to defend both guard spots when engaged.

* Durable and reliable. Started every game, led Florida to its best season in over a decade.
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Post#91 » by Hoops Addict » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:24 pm

Clayton got a 9 for athleticism? I thought he was small, but he has football strength and shoots 39% from 3.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/walter-clayton/
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#92 » by Daddy 801 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:56 am

Did we even draft anyone in the second round?
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#93 » by Inigo Montoya » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:47 am

Daddy 801 wrote:Did we even draft anyone in the second round?

We drafted a 24 year old...
Draft Nate Wolters - FAILED
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#94 » by bkohler » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:49 pm

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Daddy 801 wrote:Did we even draft anyone in the second round?

We drafted a 24 year old...


Nothing says upside like 7 years of college
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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#95 » by Daddy 801 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:40 pm

bkohler wrote:
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Daddy 801 wrote:Did we even draft anyone in the second round?

We drafted a 24 year old...


Nothing says upside like 7 years of college



I read about him after I posted that and finally saw who we drafted.

I can think of only two good things about drafting a 24 year old. If he was good enough to cook the young guys (which he of course should have been) he might be able to play backup minutes and dominate younger developing guys and he could end up being an ok player on a cost controlled contract in his prime. So when we are theoretically good again he might be 26-28 and cheap. Hopefully the confidence he had dominating young guys translates and he competes his ass off.

He is a more experienced wing who can put pressure on Ace and Cody in practice.

Besides that…..weird pick. But in the second round I kind of shrug at who we get. It’s like a 95%+ chance a second round pick is gone in a year or two anyways.

I think I would be inclined to draft the super young guys over seas and let them play a few more years and see if they are worth bringing over once we care about winning. If you draft 3-6 guys over the course of 3-4 years hopefully one could pan out.
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Post#96 » by bkohler » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:31 pm

To be fair Joe Ingles was really old when he joined the Jazz and that worked out.
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Post#97 » by Hoops Addict » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:45 pm

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/john-tonje/

Tonje gets a 9 for shooting.

NBA Comparison: AJ Green

Strengths: Tonje is a strong, skilled wing with solid scoring instincts and a mature, experienced approach to the game … At 6’5” and 218 pounds, he brings a well-built frame and physical strength that allows him to hold his own against bigger wings and contribute as a straight-line slasher or physical driver … After transferring to Wisconsin, he broke out as a fifth-year senior in 2024–25, averaging 19.6 points, 5.4 rebounds, and 2.2 assists per game while shooting 48.7% from the field and 36.2% from three … Tonje is a capable three-level scorer who can knock down shots off the catch, create in isolation, and punish mismatches with strength and footwork … He’s particularly effective in the midrange and can hit tough pull-ups in rhythm … His free throw shooting was elite—he hit 90.6% from the line this season—highlighting his touch and potential as a shooting specialist … Uses his body well to absorb contact and finish through defenders at the rim … Competes hard on both ends, showing effort as a rebounder and toughness when defending physically … Brings leadership and poise from over 130 career college games … His efficient scoring, physicality, and competitive mindset make him a possible plug-and-play contributor for teams seeking mature wing depth with shooting upside …

Weaknesses: Tonje is slightly undersized for a true NBA wing at 6’5”, and while strong and physical, he lacks elite speed or vertical explosiveness … He’s more of a ground-bound athlete, which can make it difficult to stay in front of quicker guards or finish over length in traffic … Defending in space or in switch-heavy schemes may present challenges, as his lateral quickness is average and recovery speed is limited … Offensively, he’s more of a straight-line driver than someone who creates separation off the dribble, and doesn’t consistently break down defenses in isolation … His passing ability is serviceable but not a strength—he recorded an even 1.8 assists to 1.8 turnovers in 2024–25, suggesting limited vision and creation for others … Combined with a lack of burst, this may limit his ceiling as a movement shooter or off-ball creator … Already 23 years old, with most of his scoring surge coming as a fifth-year senior, some scouts may question how well his production translates against NBA-level athleticism … His narrower role and lack of defensive versatility could make it harder to carve out a long-term spot without continued growth as a shooter and team defender …

Outlook: Tonje’s 2024–25 senior campaign at Wisconsin was his most productive to date, where he led the team in scoring with 19.6 points per game on efficient shooting splits and helped solidify the Badgers as an NCAA Tournament team … His three-point shooting has become his calling card—he hit 36.2% from deep on solid volume, showing the ability to space the floor and knock down shots off the catch with confidence … Despite limited athleticism and average physical tools for the NBA level, his maturity, toughness, and consistent perimeter scoring give him a strong case for a Summer League or two-way opportunity … If he can hold up defensively and continue shooting at a high clip, he has a clear pathway to a role as a floor-spacing wing or bench scorer in the right system … Best suited as a low-risk veteran option who can contribute immediately in a structured, half-court environment with defined shooting responsibilities .

Notes: John Tonje measured 6′ 4.75” barefoot, 211.8 lbs, 6′ 9.00” wingspan, 8′ 6.50” standing reach with a 30.0 no step vertical and 37.0 maximum vertical at the 2025 NBA Draft Combine. … Born April 23, 2001 … Played first four seasons at Colorado State before transferring to Missouri for 2023–24, where he was limited to just eight games due to a lingering injury and received a medical redshirt … Transferred to Wisconsin in 2024 for his final collegiate season … Represented Cameroon in the 2023 FIBA Olympic Pre-Qualifying Tournament, helping them go 4–0 … Played in over 130 career NCAA games … Prepped at Omaha Central (NE) and was a two-time All-State selection …
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Post#98 » by Hoops Addict » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:47 pm

Walt Lake City- Walt Clayton

NBA Comparison: Cameron Payne/Tyler Johnson

Strengths: Combo guard who is one of the best pure shooters in the draft class … Thrives in catch and shoot situations … Has a quick release, making it harder to get a hand in his face when he shoots … Can also shoot off the dribble … Typically uses screens to get his three-point shot off the dribble … Can extend all the way from 25+ feet out, so the defense must be aware of his whereabouts at all times … Has a sneakily effective mid-range jump shot … Hits mid-range shots off the dribble in a ball screen action … Can get to the nail after beating his defender and knock down amid range shot, which is another part of his game that keeps the opposition on its toes … Has a tight handle and is extremely quick in transition … Loves to run the floor and create fast break opportunities for easy baskets … Has developed a a pick and roll facilitator … Quality assist to turnover ratio at near 2 to 1, 4.3 to 2.3 … Can score at the basket if the opportunity is there… Always looks to get to his right hand to score … His 6’4, 190 lb frame also helps him finish through hard contact … A reliable free throw shooter, shooting over 80% in three of his four college seasons … Although his assist numbers don’t jump off the page, he is a solid passer. .. Has a high basketball IQ and can find open teammates … Always has the ball on the last possession of a tight game … He is clutch in late game situations when his team needs him most … Good defensive player. On defense he always has active hands and is looking for deflections and takeaways, which can turn into easy fats break points … An explosive leaper who has converted some impressive dunks in senior season …



Weaknesses: Solid passer but has a tendency to turn the ball over more than you would like … Has a high basketball IQ but can make easily avoidable mistakes from time to time … Is a bit small for a shooting guard, but is showing steady improvement as a floor general … Did not always display the ability to be a guard who can bring the ball up the court … Wingspan decent, but not overwhelming at 6’4.25 … Turned 22 on March Sixth, decreasing his perceived upside in relation to younger prospects …. Good size for a point, but below average size for a shooting guard / combo …

Notes: Measured 6′ 2.00” barefoot, 199.0 lbs, with a 6′ 4.00” wingspan and 8′ 1.50” standing reach at the 2025 NBA Draft Combine, recording a 29.5″ no-step vertical and 37.0″ maximum vertical … Also measured 6′ 2.50” barefoot, 188.8 lbs, with a 6′ 4.25” wingspan, 28.5″ standing vertical, and 37.5″ max vertical at the 2024 NBA G League Elite Camp … Averaged 18.3 points, 4.2 assists, 3.7 rebounds, and 1.2 steals per game in 2024–25, shooting 44.8% from the field, 38.6% from three, and 87.5% from the free-throw line over 39 games … Played his first two college seasons at Iona, where he earned 2023 MAAC Player of the Year honors and was named First-Team All-MAAC … Transferred to Florida and was named to the 2024 All-SEC Tournament Team …

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Re: The Official 2025 Draft Night Thread 

Post#99 » by Daddy 801 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:32 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Why are the Jazz drafting 24-year olds?


Only reasoning I can think of is they want him in his prime on a cheap deal and they think Utah can be a good to contending team in about 3-4 years.

Other than that….i don’t understand.
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Post#100 » by Daddy 801 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:35 pm

bkohler wrote:To be fair Joe Ingles was really old when he joined the Jazz and that worked out.


Joe was awesome. The playoff series where he outplayed PG is the best Jazz games/series I’ve ever attended. Those games were so fun.

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