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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#661 » by Guidus88 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:39 am

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shrink wrote:1. We’ve heard Naz-to-DET rumors locally too. At this time of year, they could be spread by Naz’ agent. He said he wants to stay.

2. What do you think is an overpay? I think he could fit next to Duren - his numbers with Gobert aren’t bad.

3. He is no center. He came into the league at 270, so he could only play center, but he is worked hard on his body, and he’s more like 235 now. He’s a big wing - a valuable commodity, but only if you have a center behind him, which you would.


Everything I am seeing is saying he will need 25+, which scares the hell out of me. We would need to make other moves in order to make that happen.

Duren is a weak defender, and I want a stretch 4 who is at least a decent defender next to him. Naz doesn't seem to be that guy, but with Cade/iveys gravity on offense, it is somewhat appealing to think of having Naz getting more open looks at 3. I'm sure Ant also got him a lot of open looks though.

Trying to weigh out the risks, but from everything I've seen it appears that overpaying this guy is not the move.
This is the way you go to another team's board and have a great conversation. Welcome, sir!

And yes...I think the best way to describe Naz is as a 4/3 and anything more than $17-18M per year for him is too much.

We love Naz here in MIN so I'm surprised how many fans agree that his value was slightly diminished this season.

Could we interest you in a slightly used Gobert and seldom used Miller for Duren and Ivey? :)

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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#662 » by TheZachAttack » Tue Jun 3, 2025 6:44 pm

Naz had a bad season this year. He has also shown that his efficiency and personal numbers do not scale that well into a Randle/Towns role. Naz is a play finisher and does really well operating off of an advantage creator and punishing advantages -- whether spacing the floor or other decisive decisions. I think he was hurt by the Wolves lack of consistent initation and ball handling this year as well as trying to show out a bit as a creator. I also 100% agree that Naz is a big wing and not a center. I think he was hurt by having to operate a lot as the backup Center.

I think that I would pay Naz $20m per year, but I would only do so if I am willing to address the rest of the rotation and allow Naz to get back into the role from the previous 2 seasons to this year that he excelled in. The other caveat that I will give is that while Naz was inconsistent this year -- more so than previous years -- and he struggled with his personal numbers to scale as a starter -- the net rating of lineups he is in even when he isn't efficient was still among the best on the team.

I kind of agree that his 6th man role is actually the role that he should be in rather than thinking he can have a bigger role. I would pay slightly more than I would want to and give him a 4 year 80-90m deal, because of the team fit, the culture fit, the fact that even when he's not good he spaces th floor and makes quick decisions, and the fact that he's still young.
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Post#663 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 3, 2025 6:56 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:Naz had a bad season this year. He has also shown that his efficiency and personal numbers do not scale that well into a Randle/Towns role. Naz is a play finisher and does really well operating off of an advantage creator and punishing advantages -- whether spacing the floor or other decisive decisions. I think he was hurt by the Wolves lack of consistent initation and ball handling this year as well as trying to show out a bit as a creator. I also 100% agree that Naz is a big wing and not a center. I think he was hurt by having to operate a lot as the backup Center.

I think that I would pay Naz $20m per year, but I would only do so if I am willing to address the rest of the rotation and allow Naz to get back into the role from the previous 2 seasons to this year that he excelled in. The other caveat that I will give is that while Naz was inconsistent this year -- more so than previous years -- and he struggled with his personal numbers to scale as a starter -- the net rating of lineups he is in even when he isn't efficient was still among the best on the team.

I kind of agree that his 6th man role is actually the role that he should be in rather than thinking he can have a bigger role. I would pay slightly more than I would want to and give him a 4 year 80-90m deal, because of the team fit, the culture fit, the fact that even when he's not good he spaces th floor and makes quick decisions, and the fact that he's still young.

He's a lot like Bobby Portis to me. Three summers ago, a 27-year old Portis signed a 4-year deal at just over the MLE to stay in Milwaukee. The Bucks were coming off their title, and most expected him to move on from his 6th man/spot starter role. Reid being a year younger and having won the 6MOY last year, would likely bump up his number higher than the MLE in a normal year. We'll see what happens this year with very little cap space available though.
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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#664 » by TheZachAttack » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:22 pm

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TheZachAttack wrote:Naz had a bad season this year. He has also shown that his efficiency and personal numbers do not scale that well into a Randle/Towns role. Naz is a play finisher and does really well operating off of an advantage creator and punishing advantages -- whether spacing the floor or other decisive decisions. I think he was hurt by the Wolves lack of consistent initation and ball handling this year as well as trying to show out a bit as a creator. I also 100% agree that Naz is a big wing and not a center. I think he was hurt by having to operate a lot as the backup Center.

I think that I would pay Naz $20m per year, but I would only do so if I am willing to address the rest of the rotation and allow Naz to get back into the role from the previous 2 seasons to this year that he excelled in. The other caveat that I will give is that while Naz was inconsistent this year -- more so than previous years -- and he struggled with his personal numbers to scale as a starter -- the net rating of lineups he is in even when he isn't efficient was still among the best on the team.

I kind of agree that his 6th man role is actually the role that he should be in rather than thinking he can have a bigger role. I would pay slightly more than I would want to and give him a 4 year 80-90m deal, because of the team fit, the culture fit, the fact that even when he's not good he spaces th floor and makes quick decisions, and the fact that he's still young.

He's a lot like Bobby Portis to me. Three summers ago, a 27-year old Portis signed a 4-year deal at just over the MLE to stay in Milwaukee. The Bucks were coming off their title, and most expected him to move on from his 6th man/spot starter role. Reid being a year younger and having won the 6MOY last year, would likely bump up his number higher than the MLE in a normal year. We'll see what happens this year with very little cap space available though.


The mid level exception is going to be around $15m. I think Naz is worth more than that. He was also pretty good this post season outside of missing his 3’s against OKC and shot 50-40-76 over the playoffs.

From a human standpoint, if the Wolves retaining him I see them honoring some of his faith in them between him signing probably a lower deal than he would have on the open market for his last contract and playing out of position/role in a contract year.

Maybe, in exchange Naz gives the team some flexibility in the 4th year and/or a 5th year of team option control. I think purely based on his play last season you’d love to have him on a 15-18m deal. Realistically, given some of the factors above and the benefits of continuity I see him getting $20-23m avg from the Wolves. Again, maybe there is some team control that Naz gives the Wolves as a tradeoff.

Assuming the Wolves, with an offseason and a season of play to adjust after the late offseason trade, can get Naz back into a big wing role, assuming that the salary cap keeps going up, and assuming the Wolves are willing to bet on continued personal improvement on his weaknesses — I think this is close enough to a fair value that even in a market environment without a lot of cap space the Wolves will commit.

I could be wrong but we will see. I’ll add that I think one of the Wolves goals will be to add shot creation, ball handling, and the ability to get defenses into rotation if they can to their lineup. I do think these players are hard to come by though. And I think while they will do what they can to get more (and hopefully develop Rob and/or Shannon) the next best approach and the other thing the Wolves should do is continue to lean into spacing/shooting/3 point volume.

Being able to punish defenses even just one pass away and beat them considerably in the 3 point category is a huge advantage and easy offense. We saw the Wolves play that out in the postseason and we also saw what relying on that and inconsistent shot making looks like. I think they were a better 3 point shooting team compared to 2 seasons ago and they should continue to lean into adding 3 point shooting into their rotation and figuring out ways to look to generate more easy and 3 point shooting looks for guys like Dante, Naz, and whomever they add to their rotation is to find some more consistency in that part of their game. For better or for worse, that’s going to be part of the path they have to pursue
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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#665 » by shrink » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:53 am

Naz Reid can still be traded without BYC consequences if he denies his player option, and signs a 4 year deal starting at no more than $18 mil

$18.00
$19.44
$21.00
$22.67
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$81.11 for four years.

Maybe a little low for what he wants, but his defense and rebounding need work as a starter. Maybe make the final season a player option, if we are signing him to a deal we could trade this season without BYC problems.

I’d like to keep him. The two-man line up of Naz and Gobert is the second highest on the team.
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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#666 » by Loaf_of_bread » Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:56 am

Most of you guys are looking at Naz's latest performance against okc, and yes, he wasn't that good. But, this guy hasn't quite yet approached his prime, AND his playoff numbers as a whole are actually quite good.

I feel NAZ didn't improve over last year for the fact he was forced to play out of position, and also forced to play A LOT of minutes with the headcase Randle, as the center.

Naz reid is best as a wing.

We need to capitalize on his late poor performance, and take advantage of his upside approaching it's prime w/o Randle. AAV 25+ all day long, and it's a high value contract after he pops off..
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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#667 » by minimus » Fri Jun 13, 2025 8:22 am

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Post#668 » by Klomp » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:57 am

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Post#669 » by Klomp » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:58 am

So this is an opt out, if anyone was curious. The 15M for 25-26 was ripped up in the new agreement
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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#670 » by Neeva » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:00 am

Very tradable number if Connely goes hunting for a star to pair with Ant in a few years, just saying.
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Post#671 » by BlacJacMac » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:00 am

More than I would've paid, but probably still tradable if need be.
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Post#672 » by Neeva » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:01 am

BlacJacMac wrote:More than I would've paid, but probably still tradable if need be.


Yea kind of expected though, was hoping 21-22 but it’s just 3 million more :lol:
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Post#673 » by Klomp » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:03 am

With 8% raises, the starting rate comes out to about $25.5M for 2025-26

EDIT: My bot needs repairing, it was calculating for $150M. Looking at things more, it might be a flat deal?
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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#674 » by guest81 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:04 am

BlacJacMac wrote:More than I would've paid, but probably still tradable if need be.


That's a steal of a deal. 25 a year in 5 years is going to pennies, especially for a guy like Naz
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Post#675 » by jpatrick » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:07 am

I was hoping for more like 5yrs/100m. I just don’t see him as a high level starter in the NBA. I’m guessing if it includes max raises, it’ll probably start at about 20 or 21m for next year. Does that sound right?

And no possible way to fit NAW, Naz, and Randle under the second apron. Hopefully we can get a small asset for NAW in a sign/trade as opposed to him just signing for the MLE.
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Post#676 » by Wolves21 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:08 am

Great deal for the Wovles and think this signals that Reid will be a starter next season and that Randle or Gobert will be traded to upgrade the PG position.

Kind of nice that Edwards/McDaniels/Reid all look to be staying long term.
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Post#677 » by BlacJacMac » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:09 am

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BlacJacMac wrote:More than I would've paid, but probably still tradable if need be.


That's a steal of a deal. 25 a year in 5 years is going to pennies, especially for a guy like Naz


Will it?

He's still a poor defender and rebounder and he seems to have plateaued.

Is he worth 7M/year more than Gafford?
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Post#678 » by jpatrick » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:09 am

Klomp wrote:With 8% raises, the starting rate comes out to about $25.5M for 2025-26

EDIT: My bot needs repairing, it was calculating for $150M. Looking at things more, it might be a flat deal?


I can’t imagine we’d want a flat deal. Maybe Naz did?
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Re: The Naz Reid Thread 

Post#679 » by BlacJacMac » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:09 am

Wolves21 wrote:Great deal for the Wovles and think this signals that Reid will be a starter next season and that Randle or Gobert will be traded to upgrade the PG position.

Kind of nice that Edwards/McDaniels/Reid all look to be staying long term.


We can't trade Rudy. Beringer isn't ready to start. And you absolutely can't start Reid and Randle together.
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Post#680 » by Klomp » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:11 am

BlacJacMac wrote:
guest81 wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:More than I would've paid, but probably still tradable if need be.


That's a steal of a deal. 25 a year in 5 years is going to pennies, especially for a guy like Naz


Will it?

He's still a poor defender and rebounder and he seems to have plateaued.

Is he worth 7M/year more than Gafford?

A moderate expectation is that the salary cap will be $200M in 5 years, meaning his contract will be 12.5% of the salary cap. If he continues his current baseline as a Top 6 player on a title-contending team, that is exceptional value!
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