Return to Sender: The Mark Williams Thread

[HornetJail]

Just realized with Mark gone for essentially nothing, our 2021 and 2022 drafts were compelte **** waste. That's crazy and very difficult for a perennial lottery team to recover from.

Unless ofc one of those late lotto picks we picked up turns out to be our Giannis.

Back to back years with a lottery pick and another mid 1st and completely lit both drafts on fire. And it was the two drafts immediately after they drafted LaMelo.

we've lit 2021, 2022, and 2024 on fire. with 5 total top 20 picks.

[GoBobs]

Just realized with Mark gone for essentially nothing, our 2021 and 2022 drafts were compelte **** waste. That's crazy and very difficult for a perennial lottery team to recover from.

Unless ofc one of those late lotto picks we picked up turns out to be our Giannis.

Back to back years with a lottery pick and another mid 1st and completely lit both drafts on fire. And it was the two drafts immediately after they drafted LaMelo.

we've lit 2021, 2022, and 2024 on fire. with 5 total top 20 picks.

Yeah bro... We should have taken Sengun, and then we should have taken Edey last year. Mark Williams was a good pick... he just turned out to not have that dog in him. Sometimes you miss... We miss all the time becuase we suck ass... Kon will be good though. Finally we got a guy that knows how to play.

[fatlever]

One other thing about that Mark Williams draft. Couldn't help but notice the value that teams were getting to night for trading there late lottery picks. So much better than the value we got for Jalen Duren.

Wishing Mark the best. Shame it never worked out here. If he ever gets that lower body strength back and gets his timing back on defense then he could be dangerous. Otherwise it will continue to be a lot of empty stats. At the end of the day I just don't think something clicked between him and the front office where the coaching staff..

[JDR720]

The most frustrating thing is we've been trying to find a center since Al Jefferson left.

And we finally thought we had one. Mark was our most talented center that we've actually developed/drafted ourselves since Okafor.

And now we're back to square one.

[KingCat]

This move also means our front office will zone in on whatever ultra raw, uncoordinated 7 footer that is probably losing a game of 1v1 to cone as we speak as our 2026 pick

[MasterIchiro]

Just realized with Mark gone for essentially nothing, our 2021 and 2022 drafts were compelte **** waste. That's crazy and very difficult for a perennial lottery team to recover from.

Unless ofc one of those late lotto picks we picked up turns out to be our Giannis.

Back to back years with a lottery pick and another mid 1st and completely lit both drafts on fire. And it was the two drafts immediately after they drafted LaMelo.

we've lit 2021, 2022, and 2024 on fire. with 5 total top 20 picks.

What about 2025?

[Walt Cronkite]

Mark Williams was hard for me to dislike, but I can't recall observing many moments of passion from his play. I've been stunned both times he was traded, but I think that's more a reservation that he was stuck with the organization and they were invested in him. I don't know much at all about McNeeley and who knows what the 2029 pick will yield, so it does seem like less value than the other time he was traded. IDK, maybe I'm still stunned, but I'm not so bothered by this.

He just didn't seem to fit. As a fan, his physical availability was always in question and that was frustrating. I would guess that's multiplied some amount from the perspective of the FO/coaching staff and maybe teammates. I know he had his supporters on the board and I'm probably overlooking stuff, but if the organization wants a bunch of highly competitive players, you wouldn't have to argue at me very long to convince me that Mark isn't that.

Would love a scoop from a team reporter bc as I understand it, the trade won't be official until July, so we won't hear anything from the team officially otherwise regarding their thoughts.

[amcoolio]

I think it’s clear when the team talks about working hard or grinding or whatever culture **** they were talking about Mark. Hopefully Diabetes takes a huge leap on offense

[HornetJail]

Back to back years with a lottery pick and another mid 1st and completely lit both drafts on fire. And it was the two drafts immediately after they drafted LaMelo.

we've lit 2021, 2022, and 2024 on fire. with 5 total top 20 picks.

What about 2025?

I think Kon will be a good enough pro to avoid the "we lit this pick on fire" talk

a very "whelming" pick

[wilson115]

The FO was on the clock to pony up for Mark's extension. Obviously they decided Mark wasn't worth it, question now is why... is it down to Mark, down to something in his injury history... or is it down to team-building philosophy, like, remember, this is the same FO that passed up Clingan and Edey, traditional centers in the same mold as Mark...

Money and statistics, that's all that matters... really don't think feelings had anything to do with this.

[Rich4114]

I think they just want to copy the Celtics C philosophy and have stretch 5's. Hey Horford is a FA now!

[yosemiteben]

I don't understand how there could possibly be any question about why they wanted to move Mark. Even post ASB they had to sit him every other game to try to keep him on the floor.

Do people think he was actually healthy and we just didn't play him because the FO didn't like him?

[Liver_Pooty]

I think they just want to copy the Celtics C philosophy and have stretch 5's. Hey Horford is a FA now!

lol wouldn’t mind that to be honest.

[Chapelchilla]

First year mark was fast and could rotate around on D. Post sitting out a year he was a turnstile. Pity he got hurt but I wouldn't want to pay him his next contract for empty production stats. It's fine to move on.

[MasterIchiro]

First year mark was fast and could rotate around on D. Post sitting out a year he was a turnstile. Pity he got hurt but I wouldn't want to pay him his next contract for empty production stats. It's fine to move on.

Correct.

He's able to play as a starter.

They just determined this is as good as Mark gets on defense. Had he stayed healthy, it might have given him a shot to become Jarrett Allen.

But the Cavs are looking to move him because he shrinks space and can't rotate to the perimeter like a Claxton.

The Lakers overpaid because they were desperate at the deadline to avoid going into the playoffs with Jaxson Hayes. Then they sobered up about the cost of a player who may be limited longterm on defense.

Sucks, but looks like Duren should've been the pick.

[fatlever]

Read on Twitter

dude... If Mark Williams trade gets rescinded again... holy ****. I mean they accepted a trade before Cody Martin last year when he was out with a sports hernia.

[yosemiteben]

Read on Twitter

dude... If Mark Williams trade gets rescinded again... holy ****. I mean they accepted a trade before Cody Martin last year when he was out with a sports hernia.

Post got taken down, what was it?

[GoBobs]

The FO was on the clock to pony up for Mark's extension. Obviously they decided Mark wasn't worth it, question now is why... is it down to Mark, down to something in his injury history... or is it down to team-building philosophy, like, remember, this is the same FO that passed up Clingan and Edey, traditional centers in the same mold as Mark...

Money and statistics, that's all that matters... really don't think feelings had anything to do with this.

Mark played like a p***y. He got punked by Jalen Duren, Big Stew, Jonas V and Daniel Gafford.. No one wanted him to succeed more than me. It is on him that he played like a b***h.

[Liver_Pooty]

The FO was on the clock to pony up for Mark's extension. Obviously they decided Mark wasn't worth it, question now is why... is it down to Mark, down to something in his injury history... or is it down to team-building philosophy, like, remember, this is the same FO that passed up Clingan and Edey, traditional centers in the same mold as Mark...

Money and statistics, that's all that matters... really don't think feelings had anything to do with this.

Mark played like a p***y. He got punked by Jalen Duren, Big Stew, Jonas V and Daniel Gafford.. No one wanted him to succeed more than me. It is on him that he played like a b***h.

His drop coverage defense this past season was just horrid.

[Chapelchilla]

Mark lost his defensive ability during the year out. Came back and could score 20/10 every other night while giving up 25/10 on the other end.
Clearly he was not doing anything special and didn't have the same impact or mentality last year.
Not worth big $ - can't switch or shoot outside