PF targets

[DetroitSho]

Duren isn't going anywhere, and certainly not for Sabonis. Cade would lose his mind in that scenario, losing not only a lob threat, but the best lob duo in the entire league. It would be a huge setback for the offense, and handcuff Cade. (Not to mention, probably piss him off)

Stewart
Sabonis
Ausar
Ivey
Cade

Is a hilariously bad lob group, which Cade counts on to free him up, and as a release valve on offense. No universe this makes sense, or happens.

Now, if you can add Sabonis next to Duren, even if the defense up front is probably gonna be bad, maybe that can work.

Best course of action is to keep Duren, and add a legitimate starting PF, like Aldama, Naz, e.t.c.

It all depends on how aggressive Langdon is gonna be, and from the sounds of it, he prefers sitting on his hands, with his thumb up his ass.

He can free up the cap space, and offer Naz a big ass contract, solidifying the starting group.

Cade
Ivey
Ausar
Naz
Duren

All young, and would be a formidable group. I say strike while the iron is hot. You've got two prototype PF up for grabs, and who knows when that will be available again. Go get it done. Everyone knows their is a limit on the team with Harris as your starting PF.

Not that I want Sabonis or want to trade Duren for him, but y'all be going overboard with this "lob threat" business like it's some type of offensive skill. Sabonis can't jump over a phone book, but he's a miles better offensive player than Duren. Adding Duren in place of Sabonis wouldn't hamper Cade or the offense one bit.

And again, I don’t want Sabonis. But being a lob threat becomes more important when the guy can't consistently score outside out 8 feet.

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[Billl]

Naz off the board. 5/125? Glad we didn’t try to outbid that.

[GreekAlex]

So much for Naz Reid.

He just re-signed with Minnesota 5/125

[ElectricMayhem]

Naz off the board. 5/125? Glad we didn’t try to outbid that.

5/125 is a reasonable deal for Naz. It's about 1/6 of the salary cap now, and since it's a 5 year deal, it will eat up less and less of the salary cap as the deal progresses.

[tmorgan]

Glad he got what he wanted. Glad we didn’t pay that much (or for that long).

[Snakebites]

So much for Naz Reid.

He just re-signed with Minnesota 5/125

We could not have competed with that offer, so there’s nothing to second guess.

Moving on.

[Crymson]

Naz off the board. 5/125? Glad we didn’t try to outbid that.

The Pistons couldn't have outbid that without dumping a bunch of salary, and Minnesota can't really afford to lose him; they'd have overpaid rather than let him go. He's not what they're looking for anyway. He's good as a bench tweener. He's nothing special as a starter; he's a very blah defender at center, and his offensive skillset is nothing special at power forward.

He'll be paid $21 million this season, only 13.5% of the cap. That's a fine salary for one's fifth most important player. He'll be only 31 at the conclusion of the contract and is not dependent upon athleticism, so I'd imagine the Timberwolves are just fine with the term as well.

[Billl]

Naz off the board. 5/125? Glad we didn’t try to outbid that.

5/125 is a reasonable deal for Naz. It's about 1/6 of the salary cap now, and since it's a 5 year deal, it will eat up less and less of the salary cap as the deal progresses.

No, it’s a bad deal. All these role players making big $$$ are going to be bad deals in the new cba.

[Crymson]

5/125 is a reasonable deal for Naz. It's about 1/6 of the salary cap now, and since it's a 5 year deal, it will eat up less and less of the salary cap as the deal progresses.

Not to pick nits, but assuming it's structed in the standard way (ascending with 8% YoY raises), it's going to be even less than that (south of 14%).

No, it’s a bad deal. All these role players making big $$$ are going to be bad deals in the new cba.

13.5% of the cap for one of your five most important guys is absolutely not a bad deal. The number looks big in the absolute sense, but his first-season salary of around $21 million will be paid in the context of a $155m cap. Only percentage of the cap matters, not straight dollar value.

[tmorgan]

Let’s just say I’m glad our equivalent contributor, ie first big off the bench, makes 15.

You can argue that Naz offers more than Stew, and I’ll say you’re wrong. Defense matters.

[VicVinegar]

Let’s just say I’m glad our equivalent contributor, ie first big off the bench, makes 15.

You can argue that Naz offers more than Stew, and I’ll say you’re wrong. Defense matters.

Yeah, I don't know if Stew's contract is awesome, and I do think Naz is better, but when compared to the Naz deal, I'd much rather have Stewart + $10M + whatever assets it'd take to acquire Naz.

[Crymson]

Let’s just say I’m glad our equivalent contributor, ie first big off the bench, makes 15.

You can argue that Naz offers more than Stew, and I’ll say you’re wrong. Defense matters.

Of course it matters -- and he's an elite defender -- though while I love Stew, he's an active minus on offense if he isn't shooting. JB's decision to discard the very valuable asset of shooting at center and play him as an undersized, unathletic traditional big instead was completely and utterly bizarre and counterproductive, and I sure do hope it changes next season.

[tmorgan]

Let’s just say I’m glad our equivalent contributor, ie first big off the bench, makes 15.

You can argue that Naz offers more than Stew, and I’ll say you’re wrong. Defense matters.

Of course it matters -- and he's an elite defender -- though while I love Stew, he's an active minus on offense if he isn't shooting. JB's decision to discard the very valuable asset of shooting at center and play him as an undersized, unathletic traditional big instead was completely and utterly bizarre and counterproductive, and I sure do hope it changes next season.

I do wonder why he stopped taking threes last year, and I assume, as you stated, it was via coach directive. Stew does not lack confidence in his shot, as evidenced in several interviews I’ve heard in the past. Yeah, it’s a pretty deliberate set shot, but it looks solid. Would be nice to have him outside more, particularly when he shares the floor with Ausar and/or Holland.

[catari11]

shocked Minnesota was willing to pony up that kind of salary for Naz --- imo his playoff performance was underwhelming. he contributed very little on both ends and his 3 point shot disappeared altogether. Pistons could do a lot better for a PF than Naz but TL needs to make it happen rather than dithering about with marginal improvements this summer.

[Snakebites]

I feel like the Naz Reid signing should clarify things for folks.

Anyone expecting us to be able to go out and acquire a major player with the cap space we could potentially generate should be set straight now.

[tradez401]

wasnt that big on naz reid like some other posters on here if we're upgrading from tobias i want someone with size/stretch ability.

[Piston Pete]

Aldama is prob our most realistic target. Skill is there and price should be affordable.

[theBigLip]

Reid got the money. Will they now pay Randle?

[DET_Athletics]

At this point we have three options:

1.) Sign and trade for Aldama, if we are willing to give up a FRP next year and trade fonteccio? Not a bad move but could limit what we can offer at the trade deadline with Tobias contract. Plus it's a move we can do after the start of free agency once we lock up Beasley and possibly Schoeder.

2.) Trade for John Collins, still include Fonteccio probably a bunch of 2nd rounder and we would lose Schoeder and make it hard to sign Beasley.

3.) Sign and trade for Bobby Portis with him accepting his player option and extending him, easier on our books, Fonteccio going out and salary are much closer. Wouldn't have Portis for the first part of the season because of his suspension, plus Milwaukee doesn't know what they want to do because Gannis is holding this off-season over their head about improving the team. Don't know how they are going to do that when this team is capped out and little draft capital akd Lillard is hurt for the year, but not our problem.

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[Crymson]

1.) Sign and trade for Aldama, if we are willing to give up a FRP next year and trade fonteccio? Not a bad move but could limit what we can offer at the trade deadline with Tobias contract. Plus it's a move we can do after the start of free agency once we lock up Beasley and possibly Schoeder.

The standard issue remains: there will be few or no minutes to offer Aldama (or anyone else) if Beasley and Schroder are back. Players have their own motivations, and guys who can receive a major role elsewhere won't sign here to have their minutes and role slashed to well below what they're accustomed to. That includes Beasley and Schroder.

2.) Trade for John Collins, still include Fonteccio probably a bunch of 2nd rounder and we would lose Schoeder and make it hard to sign Beasley.

The Pistons have Early Bird rights on Schroder. As long as the Pistons don't renounce those to operate as a below-the-cap team, they can exceed the cap to retain him.