Cooper Flagg -- Season 1 thread -- Summer League discussion

[arkuo]

On Coop's presser: Kidd mentioned a thing or two about having Flagg play some point guard.

Maybe Kidd's going for a Giannis-like trajectory as a start. I mean that could change if it doesnt work out as Coop's just 18. What Coop lacks with Giannis' freak athleticisim, he gains more with his shooting. So a little bit less here and a bit more there. He's 6'9 so I do think he can grow 2 more inches and top off at 6'11, maybe 7 feet.

[Mavrelous]

On Coop's presser: Kidd mentioned a thing or two about having Flagg play some point guard.

Maybe Kidd's going for a Giannis-like trajectory as a start. I mean that could change if it doesnt work out as Coop's just 18. What Coop lacks with Giannis' freak athleticisim, he gains more with his shooting. So a little bit less here and a bit more there. He's 6'9 so I do think he can grow 2 more inches and top off at 6'11, maybe 7 feet.

I'm intrigued by this, that's a great angle.

[arkuo]

First thing I see when I open YouTube: Danny Green puts heavy expectations on Cooper Flagg and Dallas. And none on Wemby, Castle and Harper and the San Antonio Spurs after getting gifted lottery picks for relevance. Sure, Danny. LOL

[Archx]

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Did you see this? MacMahon coming in with a nuke while Nico and Kidd sitting next to Flagg

Watch on YouTube

[Mavrelous]

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Did you see this? MacMahon coming in with a nuke while Nico and Kidd sitting next to Flagg

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, that was funny, I love MacMahon...

[arkuo]

I was able to watch Dirk in 99. Coop's gonna get a whole lot more chances than Dirk had before. Hope it works out for him.

[Darren]

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-trade-rumors/dallas-mavericks/luka-doncic-is-determined-to-get-back-at-the-mavericks-for-betraying-him-after-blockbuster-trade

Luka has something to prove. The season opener could be tough for Flagg. Can Cooper prove something the way Yao Ming does against Shaq or DLive does against Wemby? It's a tough assignment for a rookie.

[Duke4life831]

I guess I will give a little breakdown as a guy that watched almost all his senior year games and all his Duke minutes.

#1. He is the definition of versatility on both ends of the ball. Duke played a 4 out and 1 in offense. So he was able to show off a lot. Whether it’s catch and shoot, creating from the mid range, attacking the basket from the perimeter, or running the PnR. He was pretty damn good at it all. One thing that will stick out very early on, does not favor the right hand over the left when finishing. Outside of Kyrie, I haven’t seen a Duke OAD rely and be as consistent with his off hand when finishing in the paint.

Defensively Duke was a heavy heavy switching team 1-4. So he showed a good amount on defending 4s and defending guards. And overall he was elite on this end. Ya breaking down the tape there will be some lapses, but that’s going to be for any player especially a freshman. But there is a reason why he most defensive metrics had him as a top 5 defender in all of college. Put it one way, I expect him to be making All Defense teams while he’s still on his rookie deal.

I don’t really buy the Tatum comps. Don’t think he would ever get brought up if they went to different colleges. Flagg’s functional athleticism is multiple tiers higher than Tatum’s. And I think Flagg’s motor and IQ are also on another level.

And to me the biggest thing with Flagg is the rapid progression of his offensive game. When he first came onto the scene when he was 15. He was primarily viewed as just a freak defensive prospect. His first year at Montverde, very low usage on offense. Then he took a huge step offensively his senior year and was full on official point forward for Duke this year. He also flirted with a 50/40/90 conference shooting split (53/44/86).

I don’t buy that his ceiling is a #2 option on offense. I actually think Kyrie being out the majority/all season will be a good thing for Flagg. More time for him on the ball. I do believe Flagg’s ceiling on offense is a guy that has a time per possession of 6+. To me he’s in that AD, KD, Oden, Zion tier of prospect (college) since LeBron. If he’s not a perennial All NBA guy, it will be a very big disappointment.

[Darren]

If the Mavs could hold teams to less than 40% within 10 feet while being able to hold teams to less than 10 three point attempts and have a rebounding and steal-per-TO edge. I like the Mavs chance win it all with the big lineup. I am not overly concerned about shooting. It comes with efforts. Having something to believe in and keep motivated. This type of enthusiasm drives everyone passing their limits.

[Mavrelous]

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[daoneandonly]

I guess I will give a little breakdown as a guy that watched almost all his senior year games and all his Duke minutes.

#1. He is the definition of versatility on both ends of the ball. Duke played a 4 out and 1 in offense. So he was able to show off a lot. Whether it’s catch and shoot, creating from the mid range, attacking the basket from the perimeter, or running the PnR. He was pretty damn good at it all. One thing that will stick out very early on, does not favor the right hand over the left when finishing. Outside of Kyrie, I haven’t seen a Duke OAD rely and be as consistent with his off hand when finishing in the paint.

Defensively Duke was a heavy heavy switching team 1-4. So he showed a good amount on defending 4s and defending guards. And overall he was elite on this end. Ya breaking down the tape there will be some lapses, but that’s going to be for any player especially a freshman. But there is a reason why he most defensive metrics had him as a top 5 defender in all of college. Put it one way, I expect him to be making All Defense teams while he’s still on his rookie deal.

I don’t really buy the Tatum comps. Don’t think he would ever get brought up if they went to different colleges. Flagg’s functional athleticism is multiple tiers higher than Tatum’s. And I think Flagg’s motor and IQ are also on another level.

And to me the biggest thing with Flagg is the rapid progression of his offensive game. When he first came onto the scene when he was 15. He was primarily viewed as just a freak defensive prospect. His first year at Montverde, very low usage on offense. Then he took a huge step offensively his senior year and was full on official point forward for Duke this year. He also flirted with a 50/40/90 conference shooting split (53/44/86).

I don’t buy that his ceiling is a #2 option on offense. I actually think Kyrie being out the majority/all season will be a good thing for Flagg. More time for him on the ball. I do believe Flagg’s ceiling on offense is a guy that has a time per possession of 6+. To me he’s in that AD, KD, Oden, Zion tier of prospect (college) since LeBron. If he’s not a perennial All NBA guy, it will be a very big disappointment.

Thanks for sharing, hoping he likes it here and is treated well

[Teffer10]

I guess I will give a little breakdown as a guy that watched almost all his senior year games and all his Duke minutes.

#1. He is the definition of versatility on both ends of the ball. Duke played a 4 out and 1 in offense. So he was able to show off a lot. Whether it’s catch and shoot, creating from the mid range, attacking the basket from the perimeter, or running the PnR. He was pretty damn good at it all. One thing that will stick out very early on, does not favor the right hand over the left when finishing. Outside of Kyrie, I haven’t seen a Duke OAD rely and be as consistent with his off hand when finishing in the paint.

Defensively Duke was a heavy heavy switching team 1-4. So he showed a good amount on defending 4s and defending guards. And overall he was elite on this end. Ya breaking down the tape there will be some lapses, but that’s going to be for any player especially a freshman. But there is a reason why he most defensive metrics had him as a top 5 defender in all of college. Put it one way, I expect him to be making All Defense teams while he’s still on his rookie deal.

I don’t really buy the Tatum comps. Don’t think he would ever get brought up if they went to different colleges. Flagg’s functional athleticism is multiple tiers higher than Tatum’s. And I think Flagg’s motor and IQ are also on another level.

And to me the biggest thing with Flagg is the rapid progression of his offensive game. When he first came onto the scene when he was 15. He was primarily viewed as just a freak defensive prospect. His first year at Montverde, very low usage on offense. Then he took a huge step offensively his senior year and was full on official point forward for Duke this year. He also flirted with a 50/40/90 conference shooting split (53/44/86).

I don’t buy that his ceiling is a #2 option on offense. I actually think Kyrie being out the majority/all season will be a good thing for Flagg. More time for him on the ball. I do believe Flagg’s ceiling on offense is a guy that has a time per possession of 6+. To me he’s in that AD, KD, Oden, Zion tier of prospect (college) since LeBron. If he’s not a perennial All NBA guy, it will be a very big disappointment.

This is encouraging.
If Flagg can become a ball-dominate player this season, this team could become something special.
The PG position wouldn't be a major issue like I think it currently is.

Kidd could actually go heavy minutes with a Flagg/Naji/PJ/AD/Lively lineup that could become a nightmare for some teams on both ends.

[Teffer10]

I guess I will give a little breakdown as a guy that watched almost all his senior year games and all his Duke minutes.

#1. He is the definition of versatility on both ends of the ball. Duke played a 4 out and 1 in offense. So he was able to show off a lot. Whether it’s catch and shoot, creating from the mid range, attacking the basket from the perimeter, or running the PnR. He was pretty damn good at it all. One thing that will stick out very early on, does not favor the right hand over the left when finishing. Outside of Kyrie, I haven’t seen a Duke OAD rely and be as consistent with his off hand when finishing in the paint.

Defensively Duke was a heavy heavy switching team 1-4. So he showed a good amount on defending 4s and defending guards. And overall he was elite on this end. Ya breaking down the tape there will be some lapses, but that’s going to be for any player especially a freshman. But there is a reason why he most defensive metrics had him as a top 5 defender in all of college. Put it one way, I expect him to be making All Defense teams while he’s still on his rookie deal.

I don’t really buy the Tatum comps. Don’t think he would ever get brought up if they went to different colleges. Flagg’s functional athleticism is multiple tiers higher than Tatum’s. And I think Flagg’s motor and IQ are also on another level.

And to me the biggest thing with Flagg is the rapid progression of his offensive game. When he first came onto the scene when he was 15. He was primarily viewed as just a freak defensive prospect. His first year at Montverde, very low usage on offense. Then he took a huge step offensively his senior year and was full on official point forward for Duke this year. He also flirted with a 50/40/90 conference shooting split (53/44/86).

I don’t buy that his ceiling is a #2 option on offense. I actually think Kyrie being out the majority/all season will be a good thing for Flagg. More time for him on the ball. I do believe Flagg’s ceiling on offense is a guy that has a time per possession of 6+. To me he’s in that AD, KD, Oden, Zion tier of prospect (college) since LeBron. If he’s not a perennial All NBA guy, it will be a very big disappointment.

Curious what your take is on Lively's potential offensively?
Could he ever become a legit 3D-Big IYO?

[Duke4life831]

I guess I will give a little breakdown as a guy that watched almost all his senior year games and all his Duke minutes.

#1. He is the definition of versatility on both ends of the ball. Duke played a 4 out and 1 in offense. So he was able to show off a lot. Whether it’s catch and shoot, creating from the mid range, attacking the basket from the perimeter, or running the PnR. He was pretty damn good at it all. One thing that will stick out very early on, does not favor the right hand over the left when finishing. Outside of Kyrie, I haven’t seen a Duke OAD rely and be as consistent with his off hand when finishing in the paint.

Defensively Duke was a heavy heavy switching team 1-4. So he showed a good amount on defending 4s and defending guards. And overall he was elite on this end. Ya breaking down the tape there will be some lapses, but that’s going to be for any player especially a freshman. But there is a reason why he most defensive metrics had him as a top 5 defender in all of college. Put it one way, I expect him to be making All Defense teams while he’s still on his rookie deal.

I don’t really buy the Tatum comps. Don’t think he would ever get brought up if they went to different colleges. Flagg’s functional athleticism is multiple tiers higher than Tatum’s. And I think Flagg’s motor and IQ are also on another level.

And to me the biggest thing with Flagg is the rapid progression of his offensive game. When he first came onto the scene when he was 15. He was primarily viewed as just a freak defensive prospect. His first year at Montverde, very low usage on offense. Then he took a huge step offensively his senior year and was full on official point forward for Duke this year. He also flirted with a 50/40/90 conference shooting split (53/44/86).

I don’t buy that his ceiling is a #2 option on offense. I actually think Kyrie being out the majority/all season will be a good thing for Flagg. More time for him on the ball. I do believe Flagg’s ceiling on offense is a guy that has a time per possession of 6+. To me he’s in that AD, KD, Oden, Zion tier of prospect (college) since LeBron. If he’s not a perennial All NBA guy, it will be a very big disappointment.

Curious what your take is on Lively's potential offensively?
Could he ever become a legit 3D-Big IYO?

Honestly don’t think he has much 3 potential. The combination of his bad FT shooting and his misses being really bad misses. I just don’t think he has a natural shooting touch. I do think he has really good timing for his rolling, and he definitely will be a plus passer for his size as his career goes on. Honestly I think Lively’s offensive potential hinders far more on his offensive rebounding ability.

A 13.9 OREB % is pretty good for a 2nd year big (I know the sample size for year 2 is pretty small though). But if he can get to being a consistent 15-18% OREB% guy, I think that makes him far more valuable offensively. Over, can he ever get to a 33-35% 3pt guy on low volume and mostly corner 3s guy.

And back to the Flagg thing. I do think there will be some bumps and bruises for sure with him being more ball dominant. But ya year 1 I do think his time per possession should be at least around 4. Then in his prime be a guy around that 6+ range. He just has too much potential with the ball in his hands (natural vision and passing IQ, ability to finish with either hand, good pull up mid range game), to not try and maximize that stuff. I definitely think he has true #1 option potential (shooting and running the offense).

[Teffer10]

I guess I will give a little breakdown as a guy that watched almost all his senior year games and all his Duke minutes.

#1. He is the definition of versatility on both ends of the ball. Duke played a 4 out and 1 in offense. So he was able to show off a lot. Whether it’s catch and shoot, creating from the mid range, attacking the basket from the perimeter, or running the PnR. He was pretty damn good at it all. One thing that will stick out very early on, does not favor the right hand over the left when finishing. Outside of Kyrie, I haven’t seen a Duke OAD rely and be as consistent with his off hand when finishing in the paint.

Defensively Duke was a heavy heavy switching team 1-4. So he showed a good amount on defending 4s and defending guards. And overall he was elite on this end. Ya breaking down the tape there will be some lapses, but that’s going to be for any player especially a freshman. But there is a reason why he most defensive metrics had him as a top 5 defender in all of college. Put it one way, I expect him to be making All Defense teams while he’s still on his rookie deal.

I don’t really buy the Tatum comps. Don’t think he would ever get brought up if they went to different colleges. Flagg’s functional athleticism is multiple tiers higher than Tatum’s. And I think Flagg’s motor and IQ are also on another level.

And to me the biggest thing with Flagg is the rapid progression of his offensive game. When he first came onto the scene when he was 15. He was primarily viewed as just a freak defensive prospect. His first year at Montverde, very low usage on offense. Then he took a huge step offensively his senior year and was full on official point forward for Duke this year. He also flirted with a 50/40/90 conference shooting split (53/44/86).

I don’t buy that his ceiling is a #2 option on offense. I actually think Kyrie being out the majority/all season will be a good thing for Flagg. More time for him on the ball. I do believe Flagg’s ceiling on offense is a guy that has a time per possession of 6+. To me he’s in that AD, KD, Oden, Zion tier of prospect (college) since LeBron. If he’s not a perennial All NBA guy, it will be a very big disappointment.

Curious what your take is on Lively's potential offensively?
Could he ever become a legit 3D-Big IYO?

Honestly don’t think he has much 3 potential. The combination of his bad FT shooting and his misses being really bad misses. I just don’t think he has a natural shooting touch. I do think he has really good timing for his rolling, and he definitely will be a plus passer for his size as his career goes on. Honestly I think Lively’s offensive potential hinders far more on his offensive rebounding ability.

A 13.9 OREB % is pretty good for a 2nd year big (I know the sample size for year 2 is pretty small though). But if he can get to being a consistent 15-18% OREB% guy, I think that makes him far more valuable offensively. Over, can he ever get to a 33-35% 3pt guy on low volume and mostly corner 3s guy.

And back to the Flagg thing. I do think there will be some bumps and bruises for sure with him being more ball dominant. But ya year 1 I do think his time per possession should be at least around 4. Then in his prime be a guy around that 6+ range. He just has too much potential with the ball in his hands (natural vision and passing IQ, ability to finish with either hand, good pull up mid range game), to not try and maximize that stuff. I definitely think he has true #1 option potential (shooting and running the offense).

During the offseason after he was drafted, Lively hit 15 3 pointers in a row from the corner in practice.
A lot of Mavs fans thought that might be part of his game but so far it hasn't materialized.

I think the comparisons of Flagg to Tatum had more to do with him stating that was his favorite player growing up.
I do like the comparisons to Pippen and hope we get something close to that or even better.

Thanks for the info you've provided!

[41Dirk41]

I continue to not be enthusiastic about D-Liv shoots 3s, he is not his job... He will be forced to do it because AD is a bad shooter.
And that's bad.

Do they want to go big? Ok, let's go big. 2 guys on the paint. No fake big lineup.

Eat your poison Kidd&Harrison. We will see if it's right

[ACMFFL]

DLo is far from perfect and I question his attitude more than his talent, but at that price (TXMLE) we couldn't find a better solution.
I mean, Schröder went for the full MLE, CP3 wants to play near home or to have a guaranteed starting spot, Jerome and Tyus signed for more money than DLo.

Our guard rotation is still a bit short, it would be amazing if somehow we could turn Caleb/Hardy into another reliable guard.

[41Dirk41]

DLo is far from perfect and I question his attitude more than his talent, but at that price (TXMLE) we couldn't find a better solution.
I mean, Schröder went for the full MLE, CP3 wants to play near home or to have a guaranteed starting spot, Jerome and Tyus signed for more money than DLo.

Our guard rotation is still a bit short, it would be amazing if somehow we could turn Caleb/Hardy into another reliable guard.

D-Lo at this price is gold. Trust me.

[Darren]

I guess I will give a little breakdown as a guy that watched almost all his senior year games and all his Duke minutes.

#1. He is the definition of versatility on both ends of the ball. Duke played a 4 out and 1 in offense. So he was able to show off a lot. Whether it’s catch and shoot, creating from the mid range, attacking the basket from the perimeter, or running the PnR. He was pretty damn good at it all. One thing that will stick out very early on, does not favor the right hand over the left when finishing. Outside of Kyrie, I haven’t seen a Duke OAD rely and be as consistent with his off hand when finishing in the paint.

Defensively Duke was a heavy heavy switching team 1-4. So he showed a good amount on defending 4s and defending guards. And overall he was elite on this end. Ya breaking down the tape there will be some lapses, but that’s going to be for any player especially a freshman. But there is a reason why he most defensive metrics had him as a top 5 defender in all of college. Put it one way, I expect him to be making All Defense teams while he’s still on his rookie deal.

I don’t really buy the Tatum comps. Don’t think he would ever get brought up if they went to different colleges. Flagg’s functional athleticism is multiple tiers higher than Tatum’s. And I think Flagg’s motor and IQ are also on another level.

And to me the biggest thing with Flagg is the rapid progression of his offensive game. When he first came onto the scene when he was 15. He was primarily viewed as just a freak defensive prospect. His first year at Montverde, very low usage on offense. Then he took a huge step offensively his senior year and was full on official point forward for Duke this year. He also flirted with a 50/40/90 conference shooting split (53/44/86).

I don’t buy that his ceiling is a #2 option on offense. I actually think Kyrie being out the majority/all season will be a good thing for Flagg. More time for him on the ball. I do believe Flagg’s ceiling on offense is a guy that has a time per possession of 6+. To me he’s in that AD, KD, Oden, Zion tier of prospect (college) since LeBron. If he’s not a perennial All NBA guy, it will be a very big disappointment.

Curious what your take is on Lively's potential offensively?
Could he ever become a legit 3D-Big IYO?

Honestly don’t think he has much 3 potential. The combination of his bad FT shooting and his misses being really bad misses. I just don’t think he has a natural shooting touch. I do think he has really good timing for his rolling, and he definitely will be a plus passer for his size as his career goes on. Honestly I think Lively’s offensive potential hinders far more on his offensive rebounding ability.

A 13.9 OREB % is pretty good for a 2nd year big (I know the sample size for year 2 is pretty small though). But if he can get to being a consistent 15-18% OREB% guy, I think that makes him far more valuable offensively. Over, can he ever get to a 33-35% 3pt guy on low volume and mostly corner 3s guy.

And back to the Flagg thing. I do think there will be some bumps and bruises for sure with him being more ball dominant. But ya year 1 I do think his time per possession should be at least around 4. Then in his prime be a guy around that 6+ range. He just has too much potential with the ball in his hands (natural vision and passing IQ, ability to finish with either hand, good pull up mid range game), to not try and maximize that stuff. I definitely think he has true #1 option potential (shooting and running the offense).

Pilates seems to be good for core muscle building and Shaolin exercise should be great for a player as tall as Lively and Wemby.

[Darren]

With better core muscles, player could move better and less injury prone.