Shams: the ****? Simons to Boston for Holiday… real

[ebott]

Nail in the coffin for Joe if BOS ends up sending Simons away and gets more for him

Wanna bet?

After drafting Yang? lol

I will bet you a hundred dollars that if Boston trades Simons for a haul Joe will not get fired.

[DusterBuster]

Wanna bet?

After drafting Yang? lol

I will bet you a hundred dollars that if Boston trades Simons for a haul Joe will not get fired.

Yup, I’ll join you on that side of the bet.

Joe isn’t getting fired until a new owner is here. Even then, it’s gonna depend on how the team is doing. If by some miracle this blindfold dart throwing session ends up with a successful team, they might keep him…

[Case2012]

There’s zero chance Jody cares enough about this team to dump Joe—especially after she just let him hand-deliver his own contract extension on the back of that fake “win streak” he stitched together against teams tanking for Flagg.

[Walton1one]

Why would you think Jodi\Bert would fire Cronin when they just gave him a 3yr extension and Bert gets to play NBA owner thru him?

But when a new owner does come in and this team is still mired in mediocrity (likely) and Cronin’s reach for Yang looks worse & worse (also likely), then yeah he will be fired, just wish it could have happened sooner to prevent wasting multiple years of fans’ time

One of the worst GM’s POR has ever had, oh they have had worse but his longevity of mediocrity and flat out bizarre decisions probably has caused more harm t this franchise than those before could b/c there is no Paul Allen to fire him for incompetence, only Bert & Jodi play acting as owners.

Just hopeful that this farce is eventually coming to and end

[oldfishermen]

IT'S ONLY A GAME.

[Butter]

Maybe the name of this thread should be changed to "Group Therapy Session"

[Dame Lizard]

Why would you think Jodi\Bert would fire Cronin when they just gave him a 3yr extension and Bert gets to play NBA owner thru him?

But when a new owner does come in and this team is still mired in mediocrity (likely) and Cronin’s reach for Yang looks worse & worse (also likely), then yeah he will be fired, just wish it could have happened sooner to prevent wasting multiple years of fans’ time

One of the worst GM’s POR has ever had, oh they have had worse but his longevity of mediocrity and flat out bizarre decisions probably has caused more harm t this franchise than those before could b/c there is no Paul Allen to fire him for incompetence, only Bert & Jodi play acting as owners.

Just hopeful that this farce is eventually coming to and end

I just hope that Cronin has been restrained from trading our future stash of picks (due to them being attractive in the franchise sale transaction).

It does concern me that Cronin makes a bad yolo move (I.e. trading 4 picks for the wrong 'star') to inflate our win total and try to save his job, which would hamstring us significantly in the future.

[Case2012]

Boston is shopping Simons ahahaha, watch them get 2 firsts. I would have quite the chuckle.

[Wizenheimer]

Boston is shopping Simons ahahaha, watch them get 2 firsts. I would have quite the chuckle.

I think they'll have trouble moving Simons. And if they do, the primary goal will be salary/tax/apron relief, not draft capital. Portland had to add two 2nd round picks to Simons just to get a 35 year old PG with a bad contract. Simons is a deeply flawed NBA player, he has some marketable skills but they do not go far enough to offset those flaws

[Blazinaway]

Boston is shopping Simons ahahaha, watch them get 2 firsts. I would have quite the chuckle.

I think they'll have trouble moving Simons. And if they do, the primary goal will be salary/tax/apron relief, not draft capital. Portland had to add two 2nd round picks to Simons just to get a 35 year old PG with a bad contract. Simons is a deeply flawed NBA player, he has some marketable skills but they do not go far enough to offset those flaws

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and the Sexton trade for Nurk shows what awful value small shooting guards who play very poor D are worth - nothing. Good luck to Bos if they are shopping Simons as they will need it

[DusterBuster]

Boston is shopping Simons ahahaha, watch them get 2 firsts. I would have quite the chuckle.

I think they'll have trouble moving Simons. And if they do, the primary goal will be salary/tax/apron relief, not draft capital. Portland had to add two 2nd round picks to Simons just to get a 35 year old PG with a bad contract. Simons is a deeply flawed NBA player, he has some marketable skills but they do not go far enough to offset those flaws

Sure, I’ll buy this… but in light of the Ayton buyout… if Simons had this little value, why do the Holiday trade? Why not just buy out Ant like Ayton? Literally what good is taking on a vet with huge money like Jrue vs letting Simons walk? You trust your C skill over your PG skill…. I guess… if basketball plays any consideration (sus).

I just truly don’t get it. If you believe in your youth… buyout Simons, let Scoot start, keep Banton for another year, and go from there. This 70% youth 30% vet thing is stupid. Stop with the dual timelines.

I could wrap my head around the team having a vet core of Jrue, Grant and DA with the young guy who are solid pros in Deni and Tou. I didn’t love it, but I could squint and get what you’re getting at. Now… I’m just **** confused and the only conclusion I can come to is Cronin is just a puppet who does whatever player agents tell him to do.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Assuming that Simons would reduce his buy-out a bit (if he consented to it in the first place, as his new team would pay little next season. He would then go into free agency for what he could get without them having big dollar Bird rights. No sign and trade from the Blazers for good money. No trade to another team (like Boston) for a one-year try-out and possibly flipped to someone who would want him and pay him and ...

Still, it is arguable Cronin could have just waived him and kept the 2 second rounders. It worked for DA.

But Banton is not a playmaker PG and seems like just a scoring guard whose D is not good. He's a nice wrinkle as a 4th or 5th guard on the cheap.

Instead, they now have a top defender at guard, albeit at age 35, who can run the O, play real defense, and play at both guard positions because he can friggin' D and hit some shots. He won't be taking shots or crucial time away from anyone on the roster who can play. Scoot and Sharpe can get theirs so long as they earn their dinner.

It's not a clear-cut answer. BUT Jrue Holiday will be good for 2-3 years, his $$$ come off the cap in the summer of '28 AND a contender is likely to come calling before then.

[Black and Blue]

Assuming that Simons would reduce his buy-out a bit (if he consented to it in the first place, as his new team would pay little next season. He would then go into free agency for what he could get without them having big dollar Bird rights. No sign and trade from the Blazers for good money. No trade to another team (like Boston) for a one-year try-out and possibly flipped to someone who would want him and pay him and ...

Still, it is arguable Cronin could have just waived him and kept the 2 second rounders. It worked for DA.

But Banton is not a playmaker PG and seems like just a scoring guard whose D is not good. He's a nice wrinkle as a 4th or 5th guard on the cheap.

Instead, they now have a top defender at guard, albeit at age 35, who can run the O, play real defense, and play at both guard positions because he can friggin' D and hit some shots. He won't be taking shots or crucial time away from anyone on the roster who can play. Scoot and Sharpe can get theirs so long as they earn their dinner.

It's not a clear-cut answer. BUT Jrue Holiday will be good for 2-3 years, his $$$ come off the cap in the summer of '28 AND a contender is likely to come calling before then.

Fan seem to have a hard time understanding the Jrue move, so I’ll demystify it:

I really feel like the Blazers hit points last year where they were hitting their head against a wall with Scoot and Sharpe’s development. They both are so immensely talented with some really bad nagging habits. Jrue not only gives this team that defensive identity, and a stable force in a very young starting lineup, but a person in the locker room (who ISNT a coach) that will feel comfortable calling out and helping correct some of these bad habits in our young players. Players these days only listen to coaches so much.

I firmly believe that’s why the team got rid of Ayton for nothing. Jrue can’t do much with a player like that and it sends the wrong message if the team is changing the culture and one of their stars is openly flaunting it.

I’m honestly not sure if the team will be better next season in the short term, but that may not be the goal. I think their short term goals are first and foremost getting Scoot and Shaeden on better tracks, pushing the chips in on a high tempo offense and suffocating defense, extending Camara, getting Yang NBA reps, seeing how far Avidja can progress as a number 1 option, and throwing Clingan into the fire as an everyday starter. Anything beyond that is gravy.

[PDXKnight]

Assuming that Simons would reduce his buy-out a bit (if he consented to it in the first place, as his new team would pay little next season. He would then go into free agency for what he could get without them having big dollar Bird rights. No sign and trade from the Blazers for good money. No trade to another team (like Boston) for a one-year try-out and possibly flipped to someone who would want him and pay him and ...

Still, it is arguable Cronin could have just waived him and kept the 2 second rounders. It worked for DA.

But Banton is not a playmaker PG and seems like just a scoring guard whose D is not good. He's a nice wrinkle as a 4th or 5th guard on the cheap.

Instead, they now have a top defender at guard, albeit at age 35, who can run the O, play real defense, and play at both guard positions because he can friggin' D and hit some shots. He won't be taking shots or crucial time away from anyone on the roster who can play. Scoot and Sharpe can get theirs so long as they earn their dinner.

It's not a clear-cut answer. BUT Jrue Holiday will be good for 2-3 years, his $$$ come off the cap in the summer of '28 AND a contender is likely to come calling before then.

Fan seem to have a hard time understanding the Jrue move, so I’ll demystify it:

I really feel like the Blazers hit points last year where they were hitting their head against a wall with Scoot and Sharpe’s development. They both are so immensely talented with some really bad nagging habits. Jrue not only gives this team that defensive identity, and a stable force in a very young starting lineup, but a person in the locker room (who ISNT a coach) that will feel comfortable calling out and helping correct some of these bad habits in our young players. Players these days only listen to coaches so much.

I firmly believe that’s why the team got rid of Ayton for nothing. Jrue can’t do much with a player like that and it sends the wrong message if the team is changing the culture and one of their stars is openly flaunting it.

I’m honestly not sure if the team will be better next season in the short term, but that may not be the goal. I think their short term goals are first and foremost getting Scoot and Shaeden on better tracks, pushing the chips in on a high tempo offense and suffocating defense, extending Camara, getting Yang NBA reps, seeing how far Avidja can progress as a number 1 option, and throwing Clingan into the fire as an everyday starter. Anything beyond that is gravy.

I think this team got better no doubt in my mind. Of course if an injury or two happens maybe that plan fails but this team should definitely project to win more games eliminating ant and ayton alone.

[m0ng0]

Assuming that Simons would reduce his buy-out a bit (if he consented to it in the first place, as his new team would pay little next season. He would then go into free agency for what he could get without them having big dollar Bird rights. No sign and trade from the Blazers for good money. No trade to another team (like Boston) for a one-year try-out and possibly flipped to someone who would want him and pay him and ...

Still, it is arguable Cronin could have just waived him and kept the 2 second rounders. It worked for DA.

But Banton is not a playmaker PG and seems like just a scoring guard whose D is not good. He's a nice wrinkle as a 4th or 5th guard on the cheap.

Instead, they now have a top defender at guard, albeit at age 35, who can run the O, play real defense, and play at both guard positions because he can friggin' D and hit some shots. He won't be taking shots or crucial time away from anyone on the roster who can play. Scoot and Sharpe can get theirs so long as they earn their dinner.

It's not a clear-cut answer. BUT Jrue Holiday will be good for 2-3 years, his $$$ come off the cap in the summer of '28 AND a contender is likely to come calling before then.

Fan seem to have a hard time understanding the Jrue move, so I’ll demystify it:

I really feel like the Blazers hit points last year where they were hitting their head against a wall with Scoot and Sharpe’s development. They both are so immensely talented with some really bad nagging habits. Jrue not only gives this team that defensive identity, and a stable force in a very young starting lineup, but a person in the locker room (who ISNT a coach) that will feel comfortable calling out and helping correct some of these bad habits in our young players. Players these days only listen to coaches so much.

I firmly believe that’s why the team got rid of Ayton for nothing. Jrue can’t do much with a player like that and it sends the wrong message if the team is changing the culture and one of their stars is openly flaunting it.

I’m honestly not sure if the team will be better next season in the short term, but that may not be the goal. I think their short term goals are first and foremost getting Scoot and Shaeden on better tracks, pushing the chips in on a high tempo offense and suffocating defense, extending Camara, getting Yang NBA reps, seeing how far Avidja can progress as a number 1 option, and throwing Clingan into the fire as an everyday starter. Anything beyond that is gravy.

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[Village Idiot]

Assuming that Simons would reduce his buy-out a bit (if he consented to it in the first place, as his new team would pay little next season. He would then go into free agency for what he could get without them having big dollar Bird rights. No sign and trade from the Blazers for good money. No trade to another team (like Boston) for a one-year try-out and possibly flipped to someone who would want him and pay him and ...

Still, it is arguable Cronin could have just waived him and kept the 2 second rounders. It worked for DA.

But Banton is not a playmaker PG and seems like just a scoring guard whose D is not good. He's a nice wrinkle as a 4th or 5th guard on the cheap.

Instead, they now have a top defender at guard, albeit at age 35, who can run the O, play real defense, and play at both guard positions because he can friggin' D and hit some shots. He won't be taking shots or crucial time away from anyone on the roster who can play. Scoot and Sharpe can get theirs so long as they earn their dinner.

It's not a clear-cut answer. BUT Jrue Holiday will be good for 2-3 years, his $$$ come off the cap in the summer of '28 AND a contender is likely to come calling before then.

Fan seem to have a hard time understanding the Jrue move, so I’ll demystify it:

I really feel like the Blazers hit points last year where they were hitting their head against a wall with Scoot and Sharpe’s development. They both are so immensely talented with some really bad nagging habits. Jrue not only gives this team that defensive identity, and a stable force in a very young starting lineup, but a person in the locker room (who ISNT a coach) that will feel comfortable calling out and helping correct some of these bad habits in our young players. Players these days only listen to coaches so much.

I firmly believe that’s why the team got rid of Ayton for nothing. Jrue can’t do much with a player like that and it sends the wrong message if the team is changing the culture and one of their stars is openly flaunting it.

I’m honestly not sure if the team will be better next season in the short term, but that may not be the goal. I think their short term goals are first and foremost getting Scoot and Shaeden on better tracks, pushing the chips in on a high tempo offense and suffocating defense, extending Camara, getting Yang NBA reps, seeing how far Avidja can progress as a number 1 option, and throwing Clingan into the fire as an everyday starter. Anything beyond that is gravy.

heck ya! Especially since he has won championships with two different teams and had a leadership role in both. I love the move!

[m0ng0]

Assuming that Simons would reduce his buy-out a bit (if he consented to it in the first place, as his new team would pay little next season. He would then go into free agency for what he could get without them having big dollar Bird rights. No sign and trade from the Blazers for good money. No trade to another team (like Boston) for a one-year try-out and possibly flipped to someone who would want him and pay him and ...

Still, it is arguable Cronin could have just waived him and kept the 2 second rounders. It worked for DA.

But Banton is not a playmaker PG and seems like just a scoring guard whose D is not good. He's a nice wrinkle as a 4th or 5th guard on the cheap.

Instead, they now have a top defender at guard, albeit at age 35, who can run the O, play real defense, and play at both guard positions because he can friggin' D and hit some shots. He won't be taking shots or crucial time away from anyone on the roster who can play. Scoot and Sharpe can get theirs so long as they earn their dinner.

It's not a clear-cut answer. BUT Jrue Holiday will be good for 2-3 years, his $$$ come off the cap in the summer of '28 AND a contender is likely to come calling before then.

Fan seem to have a hard time understanding the Jrue move, so I’ll demystify it:

I really feel like the Blazers hit points last year where they were hitting their head against a wall with Scoot and Sharpe’s development. They both are so immensely talented with some really bad nagging habits. Jrue not only gives this team that defensive identity, and a stable force in a very young starting lineup, but a person in the locker room (who ISNT a coach) that will feel comfortable calling out and helping correct some of these bad habits in our young players. Players these days only listen to coaches so much.

I firmly believe that’s why the team got rid of Ayton for nothing. Jrue can’t do much with a player like that and it sends the wrong message if the team is changing the culture and one of their stars is openly flaunting it.

I’m honestly not sure if the team will be better next season in the short term, but that may not be the goal. I think their short term goals are first and foremost getting Scoot and Shaeden on better tracks, pushing the chips in on a high tempo offense and suffocating defense, extending Camara, getting Yang NBA reps, seeing how far Avidja can progress as a number 1 option, and throwing Clingan into the fire as an everyday starter. Anything beyond that is gravy.

heck ya! Especially since he has won championships with two different teams and had a leadership role in both. I love the move!

It's a steep price, but i agree also

[Shem]

Okay, this had me laughing.

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[Norm2953]

Portland still has some room under the tax after the DA buyout to take on some salary in case there is an
alteration to the Jrue/Simons trade

[Walton1one]

It's rumored that the reason we went for JRue is because we already had his medical and measurements on file so Blazers ownership would not have to return from an event in Italy when the FA window opens.

This from Quick (subscriber podcast), If true, lol, Bert is the gift that keeps on giving