Revisiting the Poeltl trade

[LoveMyRaps]

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Trade doesn't look bad in hindsight.

We acquired Poeltl in exchange for 3 guys that are fighting for NBA minutes.

This trade was often labelled as Masai's biggest mistake. Has your view changed?

[Duffman100]

Oh my god, do we have to?

I think consensus agreement is the value for poeltl is totally reasonable. But the timing of the trade wasn't good.

[HumbleRen]

Good value in isolation.

Ruined the first half of the 2020’s for the Raptors with its timing.

I don’t think we need to revisit this topic anymore, even the staunchest Masai supporters at that time realize the trade was stupid now that some time has been passed

[ArthurVandelay]

Oh my god, do we have to?

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It wasn’t the contents of the trade. It was the timing.

[YogurtProducer]

Values fine. People will argue about timing but I don’t really think it fundamentally changed much.

You wouldn’t trade Poeltl now for what the picks became though, that’s for sure

[ItsDanger]

We traded 8th overall pick. Haven't made playoffs in 3 years.

F.

[Pointgod]

You can’t just look at the picks from the trade in isolation and determine whether or not it was a good trade, especially when you’re judging players who have just completed their rookie season.

Some notable players that went after the 8th pick:
Zach Edey, Kel’l Wade, Jared McCain, Matas Buzelis, Nikola Topic, Dalton Knecht, Bub Carrington, Ives Missi.

But you look at the trade and it didn’t do anything it was set out to do. We didn’t make the playoffs and haven’t for 3 straight seasons with Poeltl on the roster, it hurt our draft position in the Wemby draft and the fact that we had to extend Poeltl meant less money for Pascal, OG and Fred. So unless you just like looking at Jakob Poeltl it wasn’t a very good trade.

[Tor_Raps]

Teams in our position at that time shouldn't have been trading 1st round picks away. We needed to be in asset accumulation mode but decided to be mid at best. Its why we had to tank in back to back years and sadly only got the 9th pick to show for it.

[Duffman100]

You can’t just look at the picks from the trade in isolation and determine whether or not it was a good trade, especially when you’re judging players who have just completed their rookie season.

Some notable players that went after the 8th pick:
Zach Edey, Kel’l Wade, Jared McCain, Matas Buzelis, Nikola Topic, Dalton Knecht, Bub Carrington, Ives Missi.

But you look at the trade and it didn’t do anything it was set out to do. We didn’t make the playoffs and haven’t for 3 straight seasons with Poeltl on the roster, it hurt our draft position in the Wemby draft and the fact that we had to extend Poeltl meant less money for Pascal, OG and Fred. So unless you just like looking at Jakob Poeltl it wasn’t a very good trade.

You also can't look at every player that was drafted afterwards. That doesn't make sense either and makes every trade in the NBA involving draft picks a loss.

[Pointgod]

You can’t just look at the picks from the trade in isolation and determine whether or not it was a good trade, especially when you’re judging players who have just completed their rookie season.

Some notable players that went after the 8th pick:
Zach Edey, Kel’l Wade, Jared McCain, Matas Buzelis, Nikola Topic, Dalton Knecht, Bub Carrington, Ives Missi.

But you look at the trade and it didn’t do anything it was set out to do. We didn’t make the playoffs and haven’t for 3 straight seasons with Poeltl on the roster, it hurt our draft position in the Wemby draft and the fact that we had to extend Poeltl meant less money for Pascal, OG and Fred. So unless you just like looking at Jakob Poeltl it wasn’t a very good trade.

You also can't look at every player that was drafted afterwards. That doesn't make sense either and makes every trade in the NBA involving draft picks a loss.

I mean you absolutely can as long as it’s within reason. It’s not like that stupid saying “40 teams passed on Nikola Jokic!” but guys like Ware, Edey, Knect were actually talked about in our pre draft discussions when we assumed we’d keep our pick. The pick was only top 6 protected so we knew the risk was always giving up a mid lottery talent.

[DG88]

No one argued the value it was the timing and fit with the roster. Poeltl is a good C in this league but that team was floundering and honestly it's when the rebuild should have started. We were not making a run. I still remember Bobby looking uncomfortable saying that line to the cameras. We ended up losing in embarrassing fashion to Diar DeRozan screaming at us.

[Nature]

The beginning of the end

[PushDaRock]

No one argued the value it was the timing and fit with the roster. Poeltl is a good C in this league but that team was floundering and honestly it's when the rebuild should have started. We were not making a run. I still remember Bobby looking uncomfortable saying that line to the cameras. We ended up losing in embarrassing fashion to Diar DeRozan screaming at us.

Actually, a ton of people complained about the value for a "role playing C"

One could say it was a little girl who actually ended Masai's tenure with us. Still one of the more embarrassing moments in franchise history.

[HumbleRen]

The beginning of the end

Yep.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Even after we have a clear cut top 10 centre on a good value contract we're talking about "timing", a critique no other trade in raptors history faced. Such unreasonable, reactive, salty takes.

If your that concerned with saving face about your failed trade assessment from years ago, you've got bigger problems.

[earthtone]

Even after we have a clear cut top 10 centre on a good value contract we're talking about "timing", a critique no other trade in raptors history faced. Such unreasonable, reactive, salty takes.

If your that concerned with saving face about your failed trade assessment from years ago, you've got bigger problems.

This has to be the most over-discussed and over-hated trade of all time.

The fact that people use this as one of the biggest 'blemishes' on our Front Office's record is a sign of just how good our management has been over the past decade +.

[Mattatron]

MISLEADING HEADLINE (but typical for this populistic poster). Who says we would've picked exactly those players, maybe they would've tried to move up on the draft board? Or picked other guys...

you could have gotten Kessler a year before and solved the big men problem, instead of trading the FRP for Thad Young and a 2nd. Kessler, less costs/rookie contract, identical skillset to poeltl and still some potential to learn new skills.

Instead he gave up another FRP for a 30 year old big, paid him big money, to "contend", just to trade Siakam and OG 10 months later (for peanuts) after 2 years of evaluating. Ujiri acted headless during that period.

Poeltl is literally Tiago Splitter. You don't trade Lottery Picks for them.

[YogurtProducer]

MISLEADING HEADLINE (but typical for this populistic poster). Who says we would've picked exactly those players, maybe they would've tried to move up on the draft board? Or picked other guys...

you could have gotten Kessler a year before and solved the big men problem, instead of trading the FRP for Thad Young and a 2nd. Kessler, less costs/rookie contract, identical skillset to poeltl and still some potential to learn new skills.

Instead he gave up another FRP for a 30 year old big, paid him big money, to "contend", just to trade Siakam and OG 10 months later (for peanuts) after 2 years of evaluating. Ujiri acted headless during that period.

Poeltl is literally Tiago Splitter. You don't trade Lottery Picks for them.

What 30 year old did we trade for and give big money to?

Cause that doesn’t describe Poeltl at all

[YogurtProducer]

Even after we have a clear cut top 10 centre on a good value contract we're talking about "timing", a critique no other trade in raptors history faced. Such unreasonable, reactive, salty takes.

If your that concerned with saving face about your failed trade assessment from years ago, you've got bigger problems.

Yeah, people are shifting goalposts now from “bad value” to “bad timing”. Nothing changes that we didn’t have better than a 14% chance to win any of these lotteries - so anyone acting like this trade set us back at all is just being disingenuous

[Mattatron]

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Trade doesn't look bad in hindsight.

We acquired Poeltl in exchange for 3 guys that are fighting for NBA minutes.

This trade was often labelled as Masai's biggest mistake. Has your view changed?

So tell us, genius, how do you know that Masai would've picked the same players and not go for McCain, Missi, Edey for example !? Having poeltl set us back in the standings overall ever since the trade happened.