Duffman100 wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
They are not a crapshoot. You need a good team to win. The jays teams have not been good. You can't look back at any of those wild card teams and with honesty say they were World Series contenders. They were all meh teams that everyone knew were going to get bounced.
The jays have been the definition of treadmill and their farm system sucks. How do you defend having a bottom 5 farm system while you struggle to make the wild card?
They are a crapshoot. If they weren’t, the Dodgers would win every season easily and nobody would even care. That’s how much better that roster is than every other team in the league.
And the Jays have objectively been a top 5-7 team in baseball since 2020. It is inarguably their greatest run of success overall since the early 90s. FOs generally don’t get fired when they are producing the best results a franchise has had in 3 decades.
Their time is undoubtedly coming soon though and I will relish in it when it does. Has nothing to do with results however.
It's just so wrong it's hilarious. Your credibility is so shot.
Which of the WC seasons were we a contender?
The 2022 team was definitely a contender. They had 2 of the best starters in the game that year (Gausman and Manoah), and scored the 3rd most runs in MLB that year. They lost in 2 games to the Mariners due to getting shut out in Game 1, and then having one of the most unlikely single game collapses you will see in a playoff series. It was 100% a crapshoot. That team was better than the Mariners by any objective metric.
The 2021 team that missed the playoffs was seen by practically everyone in the national baseball media as being a World Series contender. They just missed the playoffs by a game in an unusual season where 91 wins got you 4th place in your own division. By comparison, the 2015 team that everyone loves won 93 games and had the 2nd best record in AL.
You have a point in 2023. That team made the playoffs but had a very small shot at advancing due to their offensive struggles. With that said, the team that ended up making the World Series that year won 83 games (Arizona). The Jays won 89 that year.
I am by no means a Shapiro/Atkins supporter. They should be replaced. Rogers is actually acting like a big market owner so if you put more competent FO people in there then the sky is the limit. However, from purely a results standpoint, there's no way you can point to this stretch in a negative light. Baseball is just a much more difficult sport to make the playoffs, and once you get in, it's as much about who is hot at the time versus which team is actually better. The Jays have just gotten the short end of the crapshoot stick.
