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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#101 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:01 pm

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ijspeelman wrote:Fully in on the Ball trade. I know we've added another injury prone player to the roster, but if healthy he provides a lot more than Okoro imo
I'm so glad to be rid of Okoro, he became Houdini in all 4 post seasons lol


I'll always love me some Okoro, but teams made him shoot and he couldn't do it when it mattered. Will miss him in the locker room and post game interviews
Seems most here liked him besides me and jbk hahahah wish him well but glad he's gone.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#102 » by ijspeelman » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:08 pm

Free agent guard Sam Merrill intends to sign a four-year, $38 million contract to stay with the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN. The Cavs negotiated the new deal with Kieran Piller and Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports, a success story for the 60th pick in 2020 draft.

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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#103 » by ijspeelman » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:08 pm

I would view Ty Jerome returning to the #Cavs as rather unlikely at this point. Started to get that feeling this week, and today's moves point to that.

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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#104 » by ijspeelman » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:09 pm

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Cleveland Cavaliers now project with a $390 million roster once they get to 14 players.

Second most expensive team at the moment behind the Phoenix Suns.

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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#105 » by ijspeelman » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:24 pm

ijspeelman wrote:Free agent guard Sam Merrill intends to sign a four-year, $38 million contract to stay with the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN. The Cavs negotiated the new deal with Kieran Piller and Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports, a success story for the 60th pick in 2020 draft.

https://bsky.app/profile/shamsbot.bsky.social/post/3lsork76oxs22


I am actually ecstatic we kept Merrill. I really like what he brings off the bench. This does seem to mark the end of the Jerome era
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#106 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:32 pm

ijspeelman wrote:Free agent guard Sam Merrill intends to sign a four-year, $38 million contract to stay with the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN. The Cavs negotiated the new deal with Kieran Piller and Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports, a success story for the 60th pick in 2020 draft.

https://bsky.app/profile/shamsbot.bsky.social/post/3lsork76oxs22
Ah, that is awful.

But good on him, what i figured his market would be.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#107 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:38 pm

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Cleveland Cavaliers now project with a $390 million roster once they get to 14 players.

Second most expensive team at the moment behind the Phoenix Suns.

https://bsky.app/profile/yossigozlan.bsky.social/post/3lsorodp2ja2j
Seems they're missing Okeke, unless we already declined his team option and i missed it.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#108 » by JonFromVA » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:47 pm

ijspeelman wrote:I would view Ty Jerome returning to the #Cavs as rather unlikely at this point. Started to get that feeling this week, and today's moves point to that.

https://bsky.app/profile/dannycunningham.bsky.social/post/3lsosdxyqds2z


Garland is going to be out for a while and far better to have proven options even if some of us think CPJ or Proctor could step up.

If Jerome doesn't already have a deal, he could fall through the cracks and we might get a deal without feeling like we have to overpay him.

But yeah, we're hedging hard with Proctor and Ball. Possibly even opening the door to a Garland trade.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#109 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jun 28, 2025 11:38 pm

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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#110 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:38 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:I'm so glad to be rid of Okoro, he became Houdini in all 4 post seasons lol


I'll always love me some Okoro, but teams made him shoot and he couldn't do it when it mattered. Will miss him in the locker room and post game interviews
Seems most here liked him besides me and jbk hahahah wish him well but glad he's gone.


I liked Okoro the person, and in fairness to him, he was best at the 2 and we kept asking him to guard players who were taller than him at the 3. I just think that in order start, or be an effective rotation player, he needs a triple threat at the 1 and the 3, with a stretch 4, and that's a lot to ask of a team. He's a cutter who just never developed confidence in his shot.

There were a couple of times when he seemed close and he'd get injured, or he'd get left wide open, miss a few in a row, and get shook by it for multiple games. I don't think it was a matter of him protecting his percentages. I suspect it was a genuine confidence issue.

He should've been a much better rebounder and his willingness to have his teammates' backs when things got physical was often wanting. A player as limited as Okoro offensively needs to do those little things to justify an eight figure salary.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#111 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:17 am

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I'll always love me some Okoro, but teams made him shoot and he couldn't do it when it mattered. Will miss him in the locker room and post game interviews
Seems most here liked him besides me and jbk hahahah wish him well but glad he's gone.


I liked Okoro the person, and in fairness to him, he was best at the 2 and we kept asking him to guard players who were taller than him at the 3. I just think that in order start, or be an effective rotation player, he needs a triple threat at the 1 and the 3, with a stretch 4, and that's a lot to ask of a team. He's a cutter who just never developed confidence in his shot.

There were a couple of times when he seemed close and he'd get injured, or he'd get left wide open, miss a few in a row, and get shook by it for multiple games. I don't think it was a matter of him protecting his percentages. I suspect it was a genuine confidence issue.

He should've been a much better rebounder and his willingness to have his teammates' backs when things got physical was often wanting. A player as limited as Okoro offensively needs to do those little things to justify an eight figure salary.
Also he was a slasher who couldn't finish through contact.

I truly am glad he's gone, maybe he'll find success with the Bulls.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#112 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:59 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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I'll always love me some Okoro, but teams made him shoot and he couldn't do it when it mattered. Will miss him in the locker room and post game interviews
Seems most here liked him besides me and jbk hahahah wish him well but glad he's gone.


I liked Okoro the person, and in fairness to him, he was best at the 2 and we kept asking him to guard players who were taller than him at the 3. I just think that in order start, or be an effective rotation player, he needs a triple threat at the 1 and the 3, with a stretch 4, and that's a lot to ask of a team. He's a cutter who just never developed confidence in his shot.

There were a couple of times when he seemed close and he'd get injured, or he'd get left wide open, miss a few in a row, and get shook by it for multiple games. I don't think it was a matter of him protecting his percentages. I suspect it was a genuine confidence issue.

He should've been a much better rebounder and his willingness to have his teammates' backs when things got physical was often wanting. A player as limited as Okoro offensively needs to do those little things to justify an eight figure salary.


Sure seemed like Isaac was building that confidence the first couple of months of the season when he was shooting over 50% from 3pt before hurting his shoulder.

Altman seemed to thread the needle with this trade giving the team financial flexibility and adding PG depth without having to pay a team to take on Isaac's contract; but a lot hinges on Ball's knees and/or our other guards and wings picking up the slack in terms of shooting and defense.

Kenny had less and less use for Isaac, but we're going to see more teams going 5 out like Indiana to get both Allen and/or Mobley away from the rim and it hasn't been pretty when the only players close enough to help are our small guards and wings.

Ball, Tyson, and Hunter all have more length with which to attempt to give help if they're on the floor, but I hope Kenny evolves our defense this season and like when Mike Brown joined the Warriors, and adds some new wrinkles so guys know how to switch on the fly to keep one of our bigs closer to the rim.

Alas Lonzo's knees and inability to stay healthy are huge risks for a team which needed to reduce it's injury risks. I hope we're not completely leaning on Rich Paul here.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#113 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:09 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Seems most here liked him besides me and jbk hahahah wish him well but glad he's gone.


I liked Okoro the person, and in fairness to him, he was best at the 2 and we kept asking him to guard players who were taller than him at the 3. I just think that in order start, or be an effective rotation player, he needs a triple threat at the 1 and the 3, with a stretch 4, and that's a lot to ask of a team. He's a cutter who just never developed confidence in his shot.

There were a couple of times when he seemed close and he'd get injured, or he'd get left wide open, miss a few in a row, and get shook by it for multiple games. I don't think it was a matter of him protecting his percentages. I suspect it was a genuine confidence issue.

He should've been a much better rebounder and his willingness to have his teammates' backs when things got physical was often wanting. A player as limited as Okoro offensively needs to do those little things to justify an eight figure salary.


Sure seemed like Isaac was building that confidence the first couple of months of the season when he was shooting over 50% from 3pt before hurting his shoulder.

Altman seemed to thread the needle with this trade giving the team financial flexibility and adding PG depth without having to pay a team to take on Isaac's contract; but a lot hinges on Ball's knees and/or our other guards and wings picking up the slack in terms of shooting and defense.

Kenny had less and less use for Isaac, but we're going to see more teams going 5 out like Indiana to get both Allen and/or Mobley away from the rim and it hasn't been pretty when the only players close enough to help are our small guards and wings.

Ball, Tyson, and Hunter all have more length with which to attempt to give help if they're on the floor, but I hope Kenny evolves our defense this season and like when Mike Brown joined the Warriors, and adds some new wrinkles so guys know how to switch on the fly to keep one of our bigs closer to the rim.

Alas Lonzo's knees and inability to stay healthy are huge risks for a team which needed to reduce it's injury risks. I hope we're not completely leaning on Rich Paul here.


The problem is that Okoro gains confidence, has a set back, and then loses it was a running them for his entire tenure here.

Okoro should've gone out instead of Agbaji in the Mitchell trade. Both teams would've been better off.

If there wasn't a TO in Ball's second year, I'd feel very differently about the trade, but there is.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#114 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 29, 2025 9:27 pm

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/3727704/

Cavs have made Travers a RFA. No word on them tendering Bates a QO, so I wonder if the Bates experiment is finally over.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#115 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:04 pm

Okeke is no longer a Cav, they declined his option, i wonder if they try to bring Green back on a vet min now.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#116 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:40 am

Can we please get Ayton? I'd be over the moon.Image
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#117 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:44 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:Can we please get Ayton? I'd be over the moon.


Don't you think someone will throw at least the MLE at him?

Maybe a wink wink nod nod to get him on the Lakers?
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#118 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:47 am

JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Can we please get Ayton? I'd be over the moon.


Don't you think someone will throw at least the MLE at him?

Maybe a wink wink nod nod to get him on the Lakers?
Unfortunately i do, yes.

I just want a real back-up center. Idc if it's the corpse of Horford or the corpse of BroLo. Anything has gotta be better than Tristan.

We cleared a roster spot by waiving Okeke, let's pounce early tomorrow evening.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#119 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:50 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:https://hoopshype.com/rumor/3727704/

Cavs have made Travers a RFA. No word on them tendering Bates a QO, so I wonder if the Bates experiment is finally over.
There you have it. Bates is an UFA.Image
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#120 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:15 pm

ijspeelman wrote:I would view Ty Jerome returning to the #Cavs as rather unlikely at this point. Started to get that feeling this week, and today's moves point to that.


Well, the fact he didn't resign before free-agency like Sam did implies his agent has something better lined up or thinks he does. There's always a lot of collusion going on. Still plans can change quickly, and then it's a question of the Cavs' tolerance for his salary and/or using it as a future trading chip.

One thing about the second apron we've already seen the Cavs exploit is the 1 for 1 trade, but that requires making sure Ty signs for a deal that matches what other players are making.

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