The Anthony Black dunk tank

[RookieStar]

What the heck happened to this thread???

[pepe1991]

Can we get rap battle next?

B Rabbit vs Papa Doc

[Bensational]

Chauncey Billups, a finals MVP, didn't average 5apg until his 5th season thus by standards created by fans here, Billups wasn't a PG either.

Nobody is talking about total numbers. Per 100 Possessions, Billups in his rookie season had 7.3 Assists. Black had 3.9
His A:TO ratio was also better. And Billups shot more 3P in his rookie season than AB in his first 2 seasons combined. In an era, when 3P didn’t nearly mattered as much as nowadays and teams were taking a lot less.

AB seems extremely coachable and plays exactly the role the coaches want him to play. In the 1st two months this year when they had him playing PG, his assists per 100 had to be near 8 I imagine (does anyone know how to get monthly per 100 splits?) . Then they moved him off ball in favor of Cole, hardly played on ball his rookie year.

November - 7.5 assists per 100 (plays), and that was his best month. Generally floated between 5-6 assists/100 each month after that.

There’s also a /100 possessions in the dropdown filters.

[CarraT]

Nobody is talking about total numbers. Per 100 Possessions, Billups in his rookie season had 7.3 Assists. Black had 3.9
His A:TO ratio was also better. And Billups shot more 3P in his rookie season than AB in his first 2 seasons combined. In an era, when 3P didn’t nearly mattered as much as nowadays and teams were taking a lot less.

AB seems extremely coachable and plays exactly the role the coaches want him to play. In the 1st two months this year when they had him playing PG, his assists per 100 had to be near 8 I imagine (does anyone know how to get monthly per 100 splits?) . Then they moved him off ball in favor of Cole, hardly played on ball his rookie year.

November - 7.5 assists per 100 (plays), and that was his best month. Generally floated between 5-6 assists/100 each month after that.

There’s also a /100 possessions in the dropdown filters.

One month in regular season doesnt mean anything. In January, Goga was leading our team in assists per 100 possession. Is he our PGOTF now, too?

[Bensational]

AB seems extremely coachable and plays exactly the role the coaches want him to play. In the 1st two months this year when they had him playing PG, his assists per 100 had to be near 8 I imagine (does anyone know how to get monthly per 100 splits?) . Then they moved him off ball in favor of Cole, hardly played on ball his rookie year.

November - 7.5 assists per 100 (plays), and that was his best month. Generally floated between 5-6 assists/100 each month after that.

There’s also a /100 possessions in the dropdown filters.

One month in regular season doesnt mean anything. In January, Goga was leading our team in assists per 100 possession. Is he our PGOTF now, too?

I was just providing the splits for Idiosyncratic.

AB was 6.2/100 possessions for the season. He ranked 6th on the team, and him, Suggs, Paolo and Franz all averaged a similar amount of assists. The collective of them (plus Bane) is the PGOTF at this stage. We’ll see if they make more additions over the summer.

[Skybox]

I really am wary of per 100 arguments. Ever since Bamba looked like a HOFer on paper, but was clearly incapable of holding Vuc’s jock…my doubt is compounded when it relates to a glaringly obvious team need and the player can’t supplant a weak starter and get enough minutes to matter…sort of like all the times that Gary Harris was “an elite 3pt shooter” based on %, but somehow averaged 5ppg…so it was irrelevant.

[basketballRob]

I really am wary of per 100 arguments. Ever since Bamba looked like a HOFer on paper, but was clearly incapable of holding Vuc’s jock…my doubt is compounded when it relates to a glaringly obvious team need and the player can’t supplant a weak starter and get enough minutes to matter…sort of like all the times that Gary Harris was “an elite 3pt shooter” based on %, but somehow averaged 5ppg…so it was irrelevant.

Yeah, and all those Vuc and Fournier lovers when they were both losers. When you get losers like Vuc and Fournier on your team, it rubs off on everyone. I remember saying when they got traded that AG was a winner and Vuc and Fournier were losers and I was right.

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[Idiosyncratic]

November - 7.5 assists per 100 (plays), and that was his best month. Generally floated between 5-6 assists/100 each month after that.

There’s also a /100 possessions in the dropdown filters.

Thanks for the help.

[PrimeThyme]

I really do think there is a world where he could become a sticky glue player for us in the upcoming years but as someone who was high on him coming out but aware of his limitations, I just think some of my worse fears regarding how much of a Guard he actually is have come true.

I don't see the guard skills and for what our core needed and needs we needed him to develop into a point guard and not a wing which is what I think he is. I personally think his skill set would still be coveted on the open market and I'd be testing those waters if I were Weltman.

[Skybox]

I really do think there is a world where he could become a sticky glue player for us in the upcoming years but as someone who was high on him coming out but aware of his limitations, I just think some of my worse fears regarding how much of a Guard he actually is have come true.

I don't see the guard skills and for what our core needed and needs we needed him to develop into a point guard and not a wing which is what I think he is. I personally think his skill set would still be coveted on the open market and I'd be testing those waters if I were Weltman.

I agree...he has a lot of value to us, but we should be determining if his market value to others is even higher and consider addressing a more pressing need via trade.

Not looking to "give up on him" or "dump him"...just a team-building exercise that any responsible FO would examine.

[PrimeThyme]

I'll reiterate that I'm not out on AB as a player.

Do I think he would be better off traded for another player that makes sense while his value is still there? Sure.
Do I think his skillset is duplicative of Paolo and Franz so far up to this point? Yes.

I just push back on people lying to themselves about players because they happen to wear a Magic jersey at this stage in their career. Just be honest about what you have seen with your goddamn eyes. Stop pulling out random advanced analytics so that it fits your distorted narrative that not even coaches or the Front Office would agree with. It's embarrassing.

Nobody learns apparently from past hills that people die on here. AG is the next Paul George and Elfrid Payton is Rondo. Paolo is Tatum. Now AB is Chauncy Billups or SGA because you pulled some random individual stat out of your ass. Dial back your optimism to realistic non-Reddit/Twitter brained levels please.

Yeah, I'll be honest, I'm probably higher then consensus in general on AB but manipulating assist numbers to try and push a narrative that he is anything other then a painfully average NBA passer is the line for me.

AB can make basic passing reads in an offense and rack some assist totals up in an offense without table setters but I just don't see him anticipating passes and passing guys open at any near enough level to make that case.

Coming out I hoped he would develop more of those guard level skills he at times flashed but I think his limited playmaking and shot creation just project him to be an elite defending, high effort smart cutting crafty wing, which has value in this league, but not the guard we needed.

[Skybox]

Ironically, isn't he basically the same player as NAW?

[VFX]

Ironically, isn't he basically the same player as NAW?

NAW can score the basketball when required. He has post season numbers to show this.

[RichCollab]

Ironically, isn't he basically the same player as NAW?

Wait. AB is a point guard though.

[basketballRob]

Ironically, isn't he basically the same player as NAW?

NAW is 5 1/2 years older. Black has a higher ceiling.

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[Skybox]

Ironically, isn't he basically the same player as NAW?

NAW is 5 1/2 years older. Black has a higher ceiling.

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and, just as obviously, NAW has a much higher floor - he's still relatively young and a much better player as of today- which would be the point of bringing him on NOW

Where they ultimately rank in the NBA Almanac doesn't matter a bit. NAW is 27, the NBA age that signals zero impact...years behind him, years ahead of him. Not a JRue situation.

[Orlando Dawg]

Dead money
Trade him

[eyriq]

Ironically, isn't he basically the same player as NAW?

NAW is 5 1/2 years older. Black has a higher ceiling.

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and, just as obviously, NAW has a much higher floor - he's still relatively young and a much better player as of today- which would be the point of bringing him on NOW

Where they ultimately rank in the NBA Almanac doesn't matter a bit. NAW is 27, the NBA age that signals zero impact...years behind him, years ahead of him. Not a JRue situation.

AB is already better than NAW

[CarraT]

NAW is 5 1/2 years older. Black has a higher ceiling.

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and, just as obviously, NAW has a much higher floor - he's still relatively young and a much better player as of today- which would be the point of bringing him on NOW

Where they ultimately rank in the NBA Almanac doesn't matter a bit. NAW is 27, the NBA age that signals zero impact...years behind him, years ahead of him. Not a JRue situation.

AB is already better than NAW

Debatable, but it doesn´t matter. NAW is a much better fit to our Core, as he can shoot, and AB can´t.

[eyriq]

and, just as obviously, NAW has a much higher floor - he's still relatively young and a much better player as of today- which would be the point of bringing him on NOW

Where they ultimately rank in the NBA Almanac doesn't matter a bit. NAW is 27, the NBA age that signals zero impact...years behind him, years ahead of him. Not a JRue situation.

AB is already better than NAW

Debatable, but it doesn´t matter. NAW is a much better fit to our Core, as he can shoot, and AB can´t.

Debatable, but beside the point. AB was a lottery pick and is clearly being prioritized by the organization with real investment in minutes and development. That tells you everything about how the Magic view his role in this core.