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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#41 » by bay2hk » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:11 pm

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We can if JK accepts his QO. Like I mentioned many times above we can’t use the NTMLE because of his QO caphold.


And as I told you, his cap hold doesn't apply. It's the $7.9M QO that applies to the salary count of the 1st Apron. And the chance of him accepting that approaches zero.


Yea, we can’t use the NTMLE because there is a QO caphold. Why else can’t we use the NTMLE now when JK hasn’t signed. Just admit you’re wrong dude. It’s ok.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#42 » by xdrta+ » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:35 pm

azwfan wrote:From what I read, using that trade exception also hard caps the dubs at the 1st apron.


Yes, using it after July 1, the start of a new season, would hard cap them. First Apron teams can't use a TPE that's created the previous season.
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Post#43 » by TB » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:51 pm

Any article about anything other than someone actually signing is so dumb this time of year. Literally yesterday was “GP2 could be back with Warriors”… today its “GP2 and Warriors could part ways”….

lol uhhhh obviously. Warriors will look for a better 3/D option, and if they don’t get one they could keep GP2. Then there is the chance someone gives GP2 over vet min, but very unlikely due to injuries and lack of success elsewhere.

There, I just covered like 4 different clickbait articles with that actual situation in a couple sentences.
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Post#44 » by TB » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:59 pm

Davion for 12m is such a steal… he could have easily gotten full MLE from someone i’d think… apparently Heat Culture is alive and well again.

He was better than Kuminga last year. So when you look at his deal and Naz deal… man Kuminga doesn’t have much leverage right now. His agents argument is that he can/will be better than Naz, so he should get that number, but the reality is Naz was way more impactful and had many teams that would have been after signing him.

I think we end up keeping Kuminga starting at a number that lets us also have the TPMLE… just zero reason to go any higher than 20m in year one.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#45 » by azwfan » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:06 pm

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DAWill1128 wrote:From what I understand we still have the 8.8 million traded player exception for dealing Kyle Anderson, correct me if I am wrong.

But in the case of us being able to use it I would go after Goga Bitadze with that exception and some draft capital. He likes to mix it up inside, can score, keep the ball moving. With Orlando taking on Banes large contract maybe it makes sense to Orlando.

I know the Celtics are trying to clear money off the books, would make complete sense for them to deal us Niang. Though Niang is a power forward and we could use a guy who can body up centers defensively. Regardless, it gets you some money on the books for a midseason trade if you see more of a need elsewhere than carrying a stretch 4.

From what I read, using that trade exception also hard caps the dubs at the 1st apron.

They cant use that trade exception and the full ntmle and stay under the 1st apron (without dumping salary).

Edit:
So from my understanding (which granted could be wrong)

Option 1:
Resign Kuminga and use the tax mle. Operate over 1st apron

Option 2:
S&T Kuminga taking back 50% salary and use the tax mle. Operate over 1st apron

Option 3:
S&T Kuminga taking no salary back (or let him walk for nothing) and use the full NTMLE and TE up to the 1st apron. Operate under 1st apron (hard capped).

Option 4:
Dump some salary (somehow) and recalculate the other options. Awhile back I targeted Hield as a dump option but he was instrumental in getting this playin juggernaut into the playoffs so maybe he’s seen as vital now (?).


So they cannot use the trade exception to get Goga, then resign Kuminga, then sign a guard with the tax payer MLE?

Correct.
The only way to keep Kuminga and use salary above the tax payers mle is for kuminga to sign a very small contract. I dont have the calculator out, but think the warriors are approx 22m from the 1st apron. Using either the trade exception or Non-tax mle hard caps the dubs at the 1st apron.
So if they operate above the 1st apron… then they cant use the mle nor the trade exception.
If the operate below the first apron… then JK gotta sign for really low contract or they gotta dump some salary.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#46 » by azwfan » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:15 pm

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azwfan wrote:They cant use that trade exception and the full ntmle and stay under the 1st apron (without dumping salary).

Are you sure about that? It would suck, if true.

99% sure.
Practically speaking, they could let Jk go for no returning money. Then sign someone to part of the mle (think Kyle Anderson or Buddy Hield contract size). And then use part of the trade exception. But they cant use the full MLE and the full amount of the trade exception without dumping some salary.

Im lazy to look up roster holds and stuff like that to figure it out exactly, but without Jk they got like $22m to spend below the 1st apron. I assume some of that gets eaten by those roster holds / rookie contracrs that im lazy to calculate. So yeah the money is tight if we want to move off of JK.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#47 » by AirP. » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:11 am

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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#48 » by Onus » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:44 am

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Post#49 » by Onus » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:45 am

Apparently brook is looking to go to the lakers.
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Post#50 » by Upperclass » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:12 am

Warriors should be doing everything they can to get Robert Williams in the building.. his impact to cost ratio is towards the top of the league.. even if he only plays playoff games.. he would be impactful in their lineup
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Post#51 » by Old_Blue » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:44 am

I don't know who Rob Murrows is. But, his next Breaking News should be something along the lines of "Breaking News - Poop tastes bad." Seriously, was there ever any doubt the Dubs would pick up Post's option?
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#52 » by Jester_ » Sun Jun 29, 2025 11:37 am

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When you put it that way :lol:
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#53 » by Onus » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:00 pm

Apparently we’re looking into herb jones and naw
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#54 » by AirP. » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:55 pm

Onus wrote:Apparently we’re looking into herb jones and naw

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Herb Jones is making ~14-15 mil for the next 2 year and had a down year last year, but this is the type of wing defender contract GS needs to add to the roster.

The question is how does it all work with a player like H.Jones with Butler, Draymond and hopefully a big playing center most of the game. I get GS can end games with all 3 on the court but is the idea that H.Jones comes off the bench for big minutes while trying to dial down Draymond and Butler's minutes which also allows Kerr to split up Butler and Curry and keep a good wing defender on the court with Curry?
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Post#55 » by bay2hk » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:37 pm

TB wrote:Davion for 12m is such a steal… he could have easily gotten full MLE from someone i’d think… apparently Heat Culture is alive and well again.

He was better than Kuminga last year. So when you look at his deal and Naz deal… man Kuminga doesn’t have much leverage right now. His agents argument is that he can/will be better than Naz, so he should get that number, but the reality is Naz was way more impactful and had many teams that would have been after signing him.

I think we end up keeping Kuminga starting at a number that lets us also have the TPMLE… just zero reason to go any higher than 20m in year one.


Yup, this is JK’s market. I bet the warriors have an offer to JK that he has personally declined (e.g 3 years / $60m with PO in the 3rd year). JK’s market is capped at the NTMLE unless BK offers him a contract. Not a good situation to be in for JK.

Maybe another option we can take is to resign him on a 1 year deal but with a higher salary than the QO and NTMLE (e.g $15m). This will allow us to use the partial NTMLE up to the first apron. This gives JK another year to prove he’s worth the money he’s looking for. Teams will have more cap space next year.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#56 » by Onus » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:09 pm

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Onus wrote:Apparently we’re looking into herb jones and naw

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Herb Jones is making ~14-15 mil for the next 2 year and had a down year last year, but this is the type of wing defender contract GS needs to add to the roster.

The question is how does it all work with a player like H.Jones with Butler, Draymond and hopefully a big playing center most of the game. I get GS can end games with all 3 on the court but is the idea that H.Jones comes off the bench for big minutes while trying to dial down Draymond and Butler's minutes which also allows Kerr to split up Butler and Curry and keep a good wing defender on the court with Curry?

I think we need a player like herb. A switchable poa defender who can guard 1-4. I know the spacing will be **** but feel like with Steph and one of buddy/post that should be good enough.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#57 » by Onus » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:32 pm

Can we use the tpmle and then re-sign jk to what we have left under the 1st apron?
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#58 » by xdrta+ » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:54 pm

Onus wrote:Can we use the tpmle and then re-sign jk to what we have left under the 1st apron?


Using the TMLE won't hard cap them. Anything more than the $5.1M TMLE is what will hard cap them. So yes, they could do it either way, sign JK and go over the Apron then use the TMLE or the other way around.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#59 » by xdrta+ » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:03 pm

The way it stands now:
After picking up the Post option and tendering the QO to JK, the Warriors are about $15M under the 1st Apron. The full NTMLE is projected to be $14.1M.

They also have a club option, with a deadline today, of $2M+ for Gui.

Using the NTMLE has never been a viable option.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#60 » by whatisacenter » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:26 pm

xdrta+ wrote:The way it stands now:
After picking up the Post option and tendering the QO to JK, the Warriors are about $15M under the 1st Apron. The full NTMLE is projected to be $14.1M.

They also have a club option, with a deadline today, of $2M+ for Gui.

Using the NTMLE has never been a viable option.


What if JK signs with another team and the dubs don’t match?
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