Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[WWSRD]

I think Raps really need that "I can get by my man and get you a look at will" type PG. And you don't lose any shooting.

It's worth 1 FPR for sure. You have to believe by 2028 you're almost as good as the Cavs

I think the floor would be 2 FRPS. I’d still do it though. He would be our best PG since Lowry.

Top 10 protected in 2026 and lottery protected in 2028. Then sure.

[earthtone]

I mean if they don’t plan to pay Ochai an extension, then yes you would give him away.

Are you telling me our FO would love to keep RJ? Why not extend him right now then? Why try to trade him to the Pelicans?

Reality is, nobody wants a SG who can’t shoot, can’t defend and sucks at finishing at the rim. He looks important to us because we flat out suck as an offensive team. That diminishes when the team actually has aspirations to be a good team.

I'm not advocating for or against RJ. I think he's a great 6th man or a neutral starter. He's paid slightly above fair value.

You're being dishonest about RJ. He's an average shooter. Good driver, good passer. Negative team defender but neutral man to man. He's not terrible.

RJ's expendable because the last two drafts the BPA was a shooting guard.

Dick and Walter are on rookie contracts and have skillsets (shooting and defense respectively that are more valuable than what RJ provided. RJ is better than either of them right now but when you factor contracts in it becomes obvious that RJ is the odd man out)

RJ has value. You might not agree, but that doesn't make it fact.

RJ will either be used in a deal to consolidate talent (big fish search) or he'll get broken down into more manageable contracts that have better roster fit.

An expiring contract is not that useful for us. And the fact you willing to give up Ochai, a player the team likes to move RJ means you out to lunch.

You can be a good driver and be a bad finisher.

His driving even gets neutralized because he’s shooting a pitiful 62% from the FT line.

His shooting is non existent in the mid range area, he’s objectively one of the worst finishers in the league. I have objective data that backs that up and more importantly, he’s a negative defender.

Why would any competent team want that as their starting SG? I don’t see how he has a positive value? He was a negative asset when he got here, he will leave us as still a negative asset. Nothing has changed in his perception around the league.

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[S.W.A.N]

I mean if they don’t plan to pay Ochai an extension, then yes you would give him away.

Are you telling me our FO would love to keep RJ? Why not extend him right now then? Why try to trade him to the Pelicans?

Reality is, nobody wants a SG who can’t shoot, can’t defend and sucks at finishing at the rim. He looks important to us because we flat out suck as an offensive team. That diminishes when the team actually has aspirations to be a good team.

I'm not advocating for or against RJ. I think he's a great 6th man or a neutral starter. He's paid slightly above fair value.

You're being dishonest about RJ. He's an average shooter. Good driver, good passer. Negative team defender but neutral man to man. He's not terrible.

RJ's expendable because the last two drafts the BPA was a shooting guard.

Dick and Walter are on rookie contracts and have skillsets (shooting and defense respectively that are more valuable than what RJ provided. RJ is better than either of them right now but when you factor contracts in it becomes obvious that RJ is the odd man out)

RJ has value. You might not agree, but that doesn't make it fact.

RJ will either be used in a deal to consolidate talent (big fish search) or he'll get broken down into more manageable contracts that have better roster fit.

An expiring contract is not that useful for us. And the fact you willing to give up Ochai, a player the team likes to move RJ means you out to lunch.

You can be a good driver and be a bad finisher.

His driving even gets neutralized because he’s shooting a pitiful 62% from the FT line.

His shooting is non existent in the mid range area, he’s objectively one of the worst finishers in the league. I have objective data that backs that up and more importantly, he’s a negative defender.

Why would any competent team want that as their starting SG? I don’t see how he has a positive value? He was a negative asset when he got here, he will leave us as still a negative asset. Nothing has changed in his perception around the league.

Then don't move him. I'm not trading 2 rotation players for an expiring contract. That is terrible.

I'd rather just move Walter to the starting lineup and have RJ be an overpaid backup 2-3.

As for trades that work. Lots of teams have bad contracts they'd love to trade for another bad contract that has better fit.

[HumbleRen]

I'm not advocating for or against RJ. I think he's a great 6th man or a neutral starter. He's paid slightly above fair value.

You're being dishonest about RJ. He's an average shooter. Good driver, good passer. Negative team defender but neutral man to man. He's not terrible.

RJ's expendable because the last two drafts the BPA was a shooting guard.

Dick and Walter are on rookie contracts and have skillsets (shooting and defense respectively that are more valuable than what RJ provided. RJ is better than either of them right now but when you factor contracts in it becomes obvious that RJ is the odd man out)

RJ has value. You might not agree, but that doesn't make it fact.

RJ will either be used in a deal to consolidate talent (big fish search) or he'll get broken down into more manageable contracts that have better roster fit.

An expiring contract is not that useful for us. And the fact you willing to give up Ochai, a player the team likes to move RJ means you out to lunch.

You can be a good driver and be a bad finisher.

His driving even gets neutralized because he’s shooting a pitiful 62% from the FT line.

His shooting is non existent in the mid range area, he’s objectively one of the worst finishers in the league. I have objective data that backs that up and more importantly, he’s a negative defender.

Why would any competent team want that as their starting SG? I don’t see how he has a positive value? He was a negative asset when he got here, he will leave us as still a negative asset. Nothing has changed in his perception around the league.

Watch on YouTube

I’m sure a YouTuber will suddenly change the leagues perception on RJ and suddenly make him a positive asset.

[Reeko]

Ed Rogers wants a middling first round exit playoff team yesterday. Don’t be surprised if we start seeing some bad trades down the line.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

We really got fleeced by the Knicks in that OG trade.. Made the Siakam trade look decent which is bad. Should have just traded OG for 1st rounders rather than some mediocre players.

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion already... We haven't really seen the team play together much, IQ only played 33 games last season and RJ is still only 25. I think people forget how much we were struggling to score as a team prior to the trade, our offense immediately improved because both guys can self-create.

Exactly, just sad sack "fans" anxious to complain / give up on players. We'll be good with a healthy lineup, book it

I gave up on players?? The team is trying to trade the players they got in the trade.... They're essentially admitting they lost the trade but keep coping.

Ed Rogers wants a middling first round exit playoff team yesterday. Don’t be surprised if we start seeing some bad trades down the line.

if you have not being paying attention we've been making bad trades for years now. Have you been away for awhile?? LOL

[Reeko]

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion already... We haven't really seen the team play together much, IQ only played 33 games last season and RJ is still only 25. I think people forget how much we were struggling to score as a team prior to the trade, our offense immediately improved because both guys can self-create.

Exactly, just sad sack "fans" anxious to complain / give up on players. We'll be good with a healthy lineup, book it

I gave up on players?? The team is trying to trade the players they got in the trade.... They're essentially admitting they lost the trade but keep coping.

Ed Rogers wants a middling first round exit playoff team yesterday. Don’t be surprised if we start seeing some bad trades down the line.

if you have not being paying attention we've been making bad trades for years now. Have you been away for awhile?? LOL

All under the pressure of ownership. Don't worry you'll get what you've been wanting now that Masai is gone.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Exactly, just sad sack "fans" anxious to complain / give up on players. We'll be good with a healthy lineup, book it

I gave up on players?? The team is trying to trade the players they got in the trade.... They're essentially admitting they lost the trade but keep coping.

Ed Rogers wants a middling first round exit playoff team yesterday. Don’t be surprised if we start seeing some bad trades down the line.

if you have not being paying attention we've been making bad trades for years now. Have you been away for awhile?? LOL

All under the pressure of ownership. Don't worry you'll get what you've been wanting now that Masai is gone.

How do you know they made bad trades under the pressure of ownership?! LOL just making stuff up like a sports conspiracy theorists with no facts.. Masai called the shots when he traded for Thad Young or gave up picks for Poeltl.. They traded OG and Siakam WAY to late cause he's Mr Evaluator.. I get it he's your hero but your hero has been a FRAUD for the last few years. WAKE UP!

[Asif16]

I can see us being interested in Marvin Bagley. Still only 26 yrs old. Could come cheap on a vet Minimum deal.

Injuries have slowed him down but when healthy he can put up some numbers

[Reeko]

I gave up on players?? The team is trying to trade the players they got in the trade.... They're essentially admitting they lost the trade but keep coping.



if you have not being paying attention we've been making bad trades for years now. Have you been away for awhile?? LOL

All under the pressure of ownership. Don't worry you'll get what you've been wanting now that Masai is gone.

How do you know they made bad trades under the pressure of ownership?! LOL just making stuff up like a sports conspiracy theorists with no facts.. Masai called the shots when he traded for Thad Young or gave up picks for Poeltl.. They traded OG and Siakam WAY to late cause he's Mr Evaluator.. I get it he's your hero but your hero has been a FRAUD for the last few years. WAKE UP!

Because it's been reported. Don't worry your pappy Ed Rogers will save you. Keep on dreaming bud.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

All under the pressure of ownership. Don't worry you'll get what you've been wanting now that Masai is gone.

How do you know they made bad trades under the pressure of ownership?! LOL just making stuff up like a sports conspiracy theorists with no facts.. Masai called the shots when he traded for Thad Young or gave up picks for Poeltl.. They traded OG and Siakam WAY to late cause he's Mr Evaluator.. I get it he's your hero but your hero has been a FRAUD for the last few years. WAKE UP!

Because it's been reported. Don't worry your pappy Ed Rogers will save you. Keep on dreaming bud.

Reported? by who? You are a mod and just making stuff up lol. Ed Rogers is to blame for our lack of spacing and team building. The delusion is off the charts.

[Reeko]

How do you know they made bad trades under the pressure of ownership?! LOL just making stuff up like a sports conspiracy theorists with no facts.. Masai called the shots when he traded for Thad Young or gave up picks for Poeltl.. They traded OG and Siakam WAY to late cause he's Mr Evaluator.. I get it he's your hero but your hero has been a FRAUD for the last few years. WAKE UP!

Because it's been reported. Don't worry your pappy Ed Rogers will save you. Keep on dreaming bud.

Reported? by who? You are a mod and just making stuff up lol. Ed Rogers is to blame for our lack of spacing and team building. The delusion is off the charts.

How do you know I'm making it up? Because you haven't heard or read it? LOL! This is really pathetic stuff from you. You need to do better.

[Tha Cynic]

Which team would even want RJ Barrett? His style of game is very much a Derozan-like. He can put up stats if you put the ball in his hands, but he won’t ever be a good enough player to be a positive player who can lead a team. He’s useless when he doesn’t get the ball as he’s a mediocre defender and isn’t really a great off ball player.

You’ll need to look for a bottom-feeder team that needs scoring. Portland or Chicago are our best hope to take him.

[Zeno]

Which team would even want RJ Barrett? His style of game is very much a Derozan-like. He can put up stats if you put the ball in his hands, but he won’t ever be a good enough player to be a positive player who can lead a team. He’s useless when he doesn’t get the ball as he’s a mediocre defender and isn’t really a great off ball player.

You’ll need to look for a bottom-feeder team that needs scoring. Portland or Chicago are our best hope to take him.

You dare to overlook the Kings? The team that has Demar. The team that’s gm picked RJ. The team that currently employs Malik ‘the big fish’ Monk

[SurgeIblocka]

Which team would even want RJ Barrett? His style of game is very much a Derozan-like. He can put up stats if you put the ball in his hands, but he won’t ever be a good enough player to be a positive player who can lead a team. He’s useless when he doesn’t get the ball as he’s a mediocre defender and isn’t really a great off ball player.

You’ll need to look for a bottom-feeder team that needs scoring. Portland or Chicago are our best hope to take him.

It’s going to be the Kings they love stat padder not conducive to winning forwards like him. He will be their Derozan replacement.

[Psubs]

Just move Ochai to the starting lineup.

Bring RJ and Gradey off the bench and play them with Shead, Mogbo and CMB to mask their defensive abilities.

IQ/Shead
Ochai/RJ
BI/Gradey
Scottie/Mogbo
Jak/CMB

CMB should be strong enough to guard back up centers in the east.

Soooooo Jakobe Walter! That's why need to do a 2 for 1 deal.

[TGM]

We aren’t planning to give RJ or IQ away. At the end of the day. Bobby still going to hold out for a bigger deal and that’s when these guys will get packaged in a deal.

Also the move towards the defensive identity actually makes the targets moving forward a lot more obvious.

IQ for Garland I don’t see why Cleveland would do that.

I think guys that might make sense:

RJ for Matisse and TimeLord

IQ and Ochai for Suggs and Isaac.

RJ for Kuminga S and T

RJ for P Washington and Caleb Martin

These are all downgrade on offense for more two way players.

I could see RJ for Kuminga happen. Kuminga has a bit more positional versatility and a much higher defensive ceiling and a 3 that is still a work in progress.

[Rapsfan07]

I don't think either of them are going anywhere.

There isn't a single team in the league that could actually use RJ. Pelicans would have been interesting before acquiring Poole. Jazz could use a starting SG but only have Sexton and/or Clarkson to offer. Bulls don't really need him and don't have anything to offer.

Quickley, although easier to fit into most teams, is paid a lot of money, would need to go somewhere he can start and would have to return a starting PG as well to fill the spot he'd be vacating. He'd fit like a glove on the Magic but I don't want Suggs or Issac back. He'd also work on the Kings but we'd have to take back Lavine, DeRozan or Monk and I don't want Murray.

Probably best to just keep them both for now. We won't get back even reasonable value and trading them for worse players is only going to make the team worse so unless we're gonna fire up the tank again this year, probably best to just keep them.

I'd look at moving either Walter, Dick or Agbaji for a back up C and go from there.

[Jermaine OBosh]

We aren’t planning to give RJ or IQ away. At the end of the day. Bobby still going to hold out for a bigger deal and that’s when these guys will get packaged in a deal.

Also the move towards the defensive identity actually makes the targets moving forward a lot more obvious.

IQ for Garland I don’t see why Cleveland would do that.

I think guys that might make sense:

RJ for Matisse and TimeLord

IQ and Ochai for Suggs and Isaac.

RJ for Kuminga S and T

RJ for P Washington and Caleb Martin

These are all downgrade on offense for more two way players.

I could see RJ for Kuminga happen. Kuminga has a bit more positional versatility and a much higher defensive ceiling and a 3 that is still a work in progress.

RJ for Gabe, Maxi and Dalton.

- We get two expiring contracts, which helps us extend Poeltl and Ochai. Also gives us a young prospect in Dalton.

[Raptorfan2012]

We aren’t planning to give RJ or IQ away. At the end of the day. Bobby still going to hold out for a bigger deal and that’s when these guys will get packaged in a deal.

Also the move towards the defensive identity actually makes the targets moving forward a lot more obvious.

IQ for Garland I don’t see why Cleveland would do that.

I think guys that might make sense:

RJ for Matisse and TimeLord

IQ and Ochai for Suggs and Isaac.

RJ for Kuminga S and T

RJ for P Washington and Caleb Martin

These are all downgrade on offense for more two way players.

I could see RJ for Kuminga happen. Kuminga has a bit more positional versatility and a much higher defensive ceiling and a 3 that is still a work in progress.

I don’t see the need for Kuminga but maybe we can be involved in a 3 way. Something like RJ and Mogbo going to the Warriors, Kuminga to the Nets, and either Cam Johnson or Claxton plus pieces coming back.