Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[winforlose]

Sometime this season the FO will realize the name we need to trade for is Coby White. The player we should have drafted instead of Jarrett Culver, and the player who fits very well in the Ant timeline.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteco01.html

I would absolutely take White. The problem is money. Would have to send out DDV in the deal I believe. Nothing else really makes sense. Maybe that’s something that would interest Chicago. But then we’d have to extend White probably for 25m plus, which is just going to create ongoing cap issues.

If Dilly develops he is gonna command it anyway. You are talking about two years of savings. The difference is White is ready now, Dilly might never be. Plus the Bulls might give us other valuable players like Smith. We could send them DDV, Miller, Minott, and Dilly. That is a lot of young talent to develop. It fits the Bulls timeline. Meanwhile we get significant improvement in areas of need, and still have TSJ, Clark, JB, Rocco, and we can sign Bones to a minimum and see if he develops. It is far from the worst idea.

[shrink]

It is interesting that CLE went after Ball, and may indicate Ty Jerome or Darius Garland are not part of their future plans?

[shrink]

I want to have faith that Ant will continue to improve his ball-handling, and Dillingham will grow enough to be a back up PG.

My hope is that with little money out there in free agency this year, a decent PG will sign with us for the minimum to showcase himself while he waits a year, a la Tyus Jones. That player could be a one year (half year?) bridge until Ant and Dilly develop.

[TwolvesFanRome]

Tyus would be an huge sign...

[shrink]

I’m still catching up on RealGM, but in case no one has mentioned this ..

Naz’s raise is over 40% of his previous salary, so he is considered base year compensation, and pretty much untradeable!

In trades BYC players count for half the outgoing salary for matching purposes, so if Naz makes $25, it’s only $12.5 mil in outgoing salary. This is a big deal, because making a trade where MIN takes in more salary would cap them at the First Apron. The other team would need to be able to take in $25 and only send out $12, which would be very difficult without cap space or a huge huge trade.

Naz will be staying here. Ditto for NAW if we give him a new contract, who is likely to get a raise greater than 40% as well, but his smaller salary shrinks the amount of cap the other team would need.

[Domejandro]

Nickeil Alexander-Walker is probably gone, but the only format that would allow Minnesota to keep him without dropping massively in talent would be the Cameron Johnson for Julius Randle swap, with a third team sending value to Brooklyn for facilitating.

I think that Minnesota is pretty much going to just run it back and hope that youth steps up in NAW's place, though.

[Domejandro]

Another option would be trading Donte DiVincenzo instead. Maybe...

BRK: Pat Connaughton, filler, and seconds
OUT: Protected Second

MKE: Donte DiVincenzo
OUT: Pat Connaughton and 2031 FRP

MKE: 2031 MKE FRP
OUT: Donte DiVincenzo

(Milwaukee is kind of sparse on fillers, but think the framework, rather than the actual trade itself.)

Would give Minnesota ample space to resign Nickeil Alexander-Walker, while picking up an asset.

[Worm Guts]

I don’t know if it’s a realistic option,but if Randle were to opt out and sign an extension that starts at something lower than his player option then it’s possible we could have enough money to sign NAW and stay below the 2nd apron.

[jpatrick]

I don’t know if it’s a realistic option,but if Randle were to opt out and sign an extension that starts at something lower than his player option then it’s possible we could have enough money to sign NAW and stay below the 2nd apron.

This was unlikely , but possible, before Naz’s contract. But now he’s going to start at a number that even if Randle went down to 26-27m, it’d be impossible to sign NAW unless we shed another contract (DDV?).

[Worm Guts]

I don’t know if it’s a realistic option,but if Randle were to opt out and sign an extension that starts at something lower than his player option then it’s possible we could have enough money to sign NAW and stay below the 2nd apron.

This was unlikely , but possible, before Naz’s contract. But now he’s going to start at a number that even if Randle went down to 26-27m, it’d be impossible to sign NAW unless we shed another contract (DDV?).

If Randle signed a contract starting at 26, we’d be about 10 million below the 2nd apron. What are we expecting for NAW? Something like 15?

[younggunsmn]

Another option would be trading Donte DiVincenzo instead. Maybe...

BRK: Pat Connaughton, filler, and seconds
OUT: Protected Second

MKE: Donte DiVincenzo
OUT: Pat Connaughton and 2031 FRP

MKE: 2031 MKE FRP
OUT: Donte DiVincenzo

(Milwaukee is kind of sparse on fillers, but think the framework, rather than the actual trade itself.)

Would give Minnesota ample space to resign Nickeil Alexander-Walker, while picking up an asset.

If MIL wanted DDV or NAW the salary matching could be rolled into a 3 team Bobby Portis sign and trade with the 3rd team getting a weak 2nd round pick to facilitate.
I have a hard time seeing MILattach a 1st round pick though for one of those guys.

[Nick K]

Hopefully Randle opts in and we can trade him for an upgrade at point guard.

Could a Randle for Coby White trade be justifiable by either team?

I struggle to come up with a realistic deal that lands us an upgrade at PG.

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No. And I hate Randle. We have little depth at PF and C. We need another big to come back to us.

I'm pretty sure they are going with Dilly at PG this year. Conley as back up. They believe in Dilly. If he can just improve his shooting we're in business. He is making big strides there with his shooting mechanics. You should see a new Dilly this year.

[Nick K]

Well Ball is off the table now so who's going to end up as our PG ?

De'Aaron Fox
Derrick White
Alex Caruso
Coby White
Colin Sexton

Other ???

Tre Jones
Tyus Jones
Ty Jerome

Your list is more realistic...and quite depressing.

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How true.

[jpatrick]

I don’t know if it’s a realistic option,but if Randle were to opt out and sign an extension that starts at something lower than his player option then it’s possible we could have enough money to sign NAW and stay below the 2nd apron.

This was unlikely , but possible, before Naz’s contract. But now he’s going to start at a number that even if Randle went down to 26-27m, it’d be impossible to sign NAW unless we shed another contract (DDV?).

If Randle signed a contract starting at 26, we’d be about 10 million below the 2nd apron. What are we expecting for NAW? Something like 15?

Bare minimum would be the non-tax MLE - 14.1m. And because NAW hadn’t made much so far in the NBA (by NBA standards), I wouldn’t expect that kind of discount, even if he loves it here.

[Nick K]

It is interesting that CLE went after Ball, and may indicate Ty Jerome or Darius Garland are not part of their future plans?

Ty Jerome could be a nice fit if we could afford him. I think he's a free agent. He made 2.5 mil last year and will get a big raise.

Still, I'm sure they are going with Dilly and Mike C. next year.

[shrink]

Another option would be trading Donte DiVincenzo instead. Maybe...

BRK: Pat Connaughton, filler, and seconds
OUT: Protected Second

MKE: Donte DiVincenzo
OUT: Pat Connaughton and 2031 FRP

MKE: 2031 MKE FRP
OUT: Donte DiVincenzo

(Milwaukee is kind of sparse on fillers, but think the framework, rather than the actual trade itself.)

Would give Minnesota ample space to resign Nickeil Alexander-Walker, while picking up an asset.

I’d do this deal out of principle. Don’t lose talent (like NAW) for nothing.

Dane and his guest think DDV is worth two firsts, for skillset and price. I’d do one.

[Krapinsky]

If Randle extends at a number starting around $25m (wishful thinking, I know), then a Donte for Sexton trade could get done under the second apron. I’d think Donte has more value so maybe we could get a swap back or something too?

[Domejandro]

If Randle extends at a number starting around $25m (wishful thinking, I know), then a Donte for Sexton trade could get done under the second apron. I’d think Donte has more value so maybe we could get a swap back or something too?

Minnesota cannot take back more than they send out unless they go under the First Apron (not the Second Apron, which they are currently trying their best to avoid dipping into).

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I think we trade or let go one of DDV or NAW. Let's see.

[winforlose]

If Randle extends at a number starting around $25m (wishful thinking, I know), then a Donte for Sexton trade could get done under the second apron. I’d think Donte has more value so maybe we could get a swap back or something too?

I am not sure it is wishful thinking. If you are Randle your options suck. If you play for 31 and get hurt late in the year, then you miss next season and lost out on 20+ and have to take a prove it to reestablish value (let’s say another 10 lost.) He would be gambling approximately 30. That is to say nothing of him having a poor shooting season and diminishing his value that way. If he opts out and we refuse to help him sign and trade then he loses a lot of money anyway. Not many teams have cap space and want him. Then there is the fact his family would have to move, and his new setup might not be as good as the one he has here. I could see Randle on a 3/80 and taking 25, 27, 28 with last year being player option.

Edit to add: I heard the rumor we want Sexton, but I would sooner fire anyone involved in trying to make that trade than actually make it. Sexton is a terrible fit and a terrible defender. I would rather build a trade around DDV for White. Coby White, Dilly, and Bite Bite is a solid PG rotation.