2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[Kobewade11]

If Mia could get a future FRP, it's worth considering as a fallback option.



Gonna be soft tanking this year anyways.

Keeps Bam happy

Gives the fans a comeback story to root for which will mildly pacify them from the horrendous on-court product that will be trotted out

And yes the future pick is the main factor

0% chance of this happening

[DayofMourning]

Any sign and trade deal must be at least 3 years in length.

What type of yearly amount do you think Kuminga would warrant?

Seems like an anti cap space deal to make for Miami. Anti-plan.

He reportedly wanted the max from the Warriors. Not sure what the number is, but I'd guess it'd be a deal starting in the low-mid 30s per year.

It's hard to imagine anyone giving him that kind of money. I'd be shocked if anyone were willing to offer him more than 150% of the MLE (~28M/year). Since Golden St can match any offer, teams are going to have to come up with an offer Golden St won't match -- and GS supposedly offered Kuming something in the $25-$30M/year range.

The years bother me more than the money. I dont want to look at another burden of a contract year after year. Its asking a lot for Kuminga to produce up to the level of the contract.

[Beenie]

If Mia could get a future FRP, it's worth considering as a fallback option.



Gonna be soft tanking this year anyways.

Keeps Bam happy

Gives the fans a comeback story to root for which will mildly pacify them from the horrendous on-court product that will be trotted out

And yes the future pick is the main factor

0% chance of this happening

Thats a problem indeed

These are the types of maneuvers that the "brain trust" ought to be exploring

Not saying this specific trade or bust, but trades that are logically similar

[oreon]

If Mia could get a future FRP, it's worth considering as a fallback option.



Gonna be soft tanking this year anyways.

Keeps Bam happy

Gives the fans a comeback story to root for which will mildly pacify them from the horrendous on-court product that will be trotted out

And yes the future pick is the main factor

If they’re serious about snagging a superstar in the near future things like this is what they should be exploring in the meantime to accumulate assets. Similar to the Beal situation. I don’t think the Bucks have the assets to justify being able to dump Dame like this though.

Honestly, yea. Let’s say it’s Wiggins and Terry for Dame and a protected 2031ish pick.

You either get dame back on an expiring deal in 26-27 or you have an amazing trade chip. It’s the kinda flyer we should be taking.

He may not help us as much as rui this year obviously but the upside is very high.

Imagine if next year Luka or one of the big FAs is looking for a new home and we can move Lillards expiring deal to their team in a sign and trade.

I wouldn't be a fan of this. Taking on 50 mil of dead money for 2 years is pointless if you are still keeping Bam and Herro. It's a half measure. Are you trying to compete, if you are then wasting 2 season isn't the way to go.

This only make sense if they trade Bam and Herro and went full rebuild. Then they can afford to take on ad contracts while they develop young players

[Beenie]

If they’re serious about snagging a superstar in the near future things like this is what they should be exploring in the meantime to accumulate assets. Similar to the Beal situation. I don’t think the Bucks have the assets to justify being able to dump Dame like this though.

Honestly, yea. Let’s say it’s Wiggins and Terry for Dame and a protected 2031ish pick.

You either get dame back on an expiring deal in 26-27 or you have an amazing trade chip. It’s the kinda flyer we should be taking.

He may not help us as much as rui this year obviously but the upside is very high.

Imagine if next year Luka or one of the big FAs is looking for a new home and we can move Lillards expiring deal to their team in a sign and trade.

I wouldn't be a fan of this. Taking on 50 mil of dead money for 2 years is pointless if you are still keeping Bam and Herro. It's a half measure. Are you trying to compete, if you are then wasting 2 season isn't the way to go.

This only make sense if they trade Bam and Herro and went full rebuild. Then they can afford to take on ad contracts while they develop young players

Would be an expiring contract in year 2 which can be used in a trade and packaged with several picks including the one gained from the Bucks, is the idea.

[Kobewade11]

Thats a problem indeed

These are the types of maneuvers that the "brain trust" ought to be exploring

Not saying this specific trade or bust, but trades that are logically similar

Paying Dame 54 million next season and “hoping” you can move him before having to pay him 58 million the following year isnt a good plan. I’d rather get LA’s or some other teams small money junk for Wiggins. We just saw how “valuable” Rozier’s expiring was in KD talks.

[Beenie]

Thats a problem indeed

These are the types of maneuvers that the "brain trust" ought to be exploring

Not saying this specific trade or bust, but trades that are logically similar

Paying Dame 54 million next season and “hoping” you can move him before having to pay him 58 million the following year isnt a good plan. I’d rather get LA’s or some other teams small money junk for Wiggins. We just saw how “valuable” Rozier’s expiring was in KD talks.

In the proposed hypothetical LA trade scenario, is Mia getting a FRP back?

[SA37]

What type of yearly amount do you think Kuminga would warrant?

Seems like an anti cap space deal to make for Miami. Anti-plan.

He reportedly wanted the max from the Warriors. Not sure what the number is, but I'd guess it'd be a deal starting in the low-mid 30s per year.

It's hard to imagine anyone giving him that kind of money. I'd be shocked if anyone were willing to offer him more than 150% of the MLE (~28M/year). Since Golden St can match any offer, teams are going to have to come up with an offer Golden St won't match -- and GS supposedly offered Kuming something in the $25-$30M/year range.

The years bother me more than the money. I dont want to look at another burden of a contract year after year. Its asking a lot for Kuminga to produce up to the level of the contract.

I don't think there is any question Kuminga could come in and get ~20-22ppg 6-7rpg ; it's more of a question of are you getting Michael Beasley or Carmelo Anthony? (Not necessarily comparing Kuminga's game to those two; it's just both Beasley and Anthony were offensive monsters, but one guy struggled to stay in the league and the other is a HOFer.)

My other concern is, if Golden State can't get the best out of you -- especially when other SFs have excelled in GS --- are we really going to believe Miami or some other team can?

~$120-$150M or whatever it ends up being is a massive bet that you can do what Golden St hasn't managed to accomplish.

[Vertical Limit]

Id do the bucks trade if TWO firsts are packaged.. if not, then no thank you.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

They’re married to Bam and Herro for better or worse. You might as well put yourself in the best situation you can asset wise in the meantime so you can snag that superstar that comes available. This doesn’t have to be eating Dame/Beal/etcs. Contracts for assets, although that should be explored if necessary but we need to find someone who will give us an asset in this Wiggins deal at the very least, preferably a future 1st. This might be a 2 year bridge into the next contender we build.

Ant is coming available in the future, idk the details of his extension or none of that but he is not a Minny lifer. There will be others as well

[SA37]

Bam/Herro are the new Brian Grant/ Eddie Jones

[EMC5466]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam/Herro are the new Brian Grant/ Eddie Jones

Nah Bam is Joel Anthony with a durag

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Bring me the assets, let’s do it.

[gom]

I expected to pay more for Mitchell. If I'm Duncan Robinson, I'll take my money please. He can resign with another team.

I hate paying so much for Mitchell, but it's important to keep in mind we are working with a moving scale.

Code: Select all



Year        MLE - Non-Tax -   MLE - Tax       MLE - Room      Bi-annual
2030-31   $19,760,000   -   $7,966,000   -   $12,304,000   -   $7,195,000   -
2029-30   $18,819,000   -   $7,586,000   -   $11,718,000   -   $6,852,000   -
2028-29   $17,922,000   -   $7,224,000   -   $11,160,000   -   $6,525,000   -
2027-28   $17,068,000   -   $6,880,000   -   $10,628,000   -   $6,214,000   -
2026-27   $15,516,000   -   $6,254,000   -   $9,661,000   -   $5,649,000   -
2025-26   $14,105,000   -   $5,685,000   -   $8,782,000   -   $5,135,000   -


Max salaries:

2023-2030 (2023 CBA)
% of Cap   2023-24       2024-25      2025-26      2026-27      2027-28         2028-29      2029-30      2030-31
25%      $34,005,250   $35,147,000   $38,661,700   $42,527,870   $46,780,657   $51,609,525   $56,604,594   $62,265,054
30%      $40,806,300   $42,176,400   $46,394,040   $51,033,444   $56,136,788   $61,750,467   $67,925,513   $74,718,065
35%      $47,607,350   $49,205,800   $54,126,380   $59,539,018   $65,492,919   $72,042,211   $79,246,432   $87,171,076

Tax History
Year   Tax Threshold   
2025-6   $187,897,000
2024-5   $170,814,000



[MartyCONLONNN]

Austin is a friend and plugged in with a couple players. saying the JK smoke is real..

you could tell the local guys being told to shut up about it but not denying it fully was a coordinated move

[batterybro42]

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Bring me the assets, let’s do it.

What is something to consider is that a deal in which we absorbed Beal and shipped out Herro elsewhere it would probably net us 5-7 1st round picks. I’m not against doing something like that at all, but I feel like the front office is going to do everything they can to get one more shot at the dance in the next 2 years. If you moved Bam+Herro took on some bad deals I think you could haul in 10 1sts for your trouble.

It would be 2-3 years of absolute pain and misery with no promise that we’d land a transcendent player just better odds. If Riley stepped down tomorrow that would probably be the course of action. I’m all for something like that but if you do it you don’t just half ass it

[fincane30]

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Bring me the assets, let’s do it.

What is something to consider is that a deal in which we absorbed Beal and shipped out Herro elsewhere it would probably net us 5-7 1st round picks. I’m not against doing something like that at all, but I feel like the front office is going to do everything they can to get one more shot at the dance in the next 2 years. If you moved Bam+Herro took on some bad deals I think you could haul in 10 1sts for your trouble.

It would be 2-3 years of absolute pain and misery with no promise that we’d land a transcendent player just better odds. If Riley stepped down tomorrow that would probably be the course of action. I’m all for something like that but if you do it you don’t just half ass it

You're not getting any firsts for absorbing Beal because the Suns traded their only tradeable first for Mark Williams on Wednesday. The Suns have 2nd rounders to trade and not even that many

[gom]

You can't squeeze blood from stone, right?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Bring me the assets, let’s do it.

What is something to consider is that a deal in which we absorbed Beal and shipped out Herro elsewhere it would probably net us 5-7 1st round picks. I’m not against doing something like that at all, but I feel like the front office is going to do everything they can to get one more shot at the dance in the next 2 years. If you moved Bam+Herro took on some bad deals I think you could haul in 10 1sts for your trouble.

It would be 2-3 years of absolute pain and misery with no promise that we’d land a transcendent player just better odds. If Riley stepped down tomorrow that would probably be the course of action. I’m all for something like that but if you do it you don’t just half ass it

You're not getting any firsts for absorbing Beal because the Suns traded their only tradeable first for Mark Williams on Wednesday. The Suns have 2nd rounders to trade and not even that many

I’m seeing 2, what am I missing? 2027 and 2029