[Shams] Masai Ujiri is out as Vice Chairman and President of the Toronto Raptors - Part 2

[Randle McMurphy]

It’s clear now. They are going to totally clean house. The current staff will likely only be here until the end of this upcoming season, by which they hope to have the new President in place. Most likely he’ll get rid of these guys and hire new staff for the following season. Darko and coaching staff could also be overhauled.

I think that might depend on the outcome of this season (I'm reminded of the Jays' 2015 season suddenly when that team became good out of nowhere which forced newly hired Shapiro and AA into a very awkward situation at season's end), but that's exactly the kind of change this franchise has badly needed for a long time now.

Long time. Go delude yourself elsewhere. Leave us alone.

How many years are needed for it to constitute a "long time?"

[Reeko]

It’s clear now. They are going to totally clean house. The current staff will likely only be here until the end of this upcoming season, by which they hope to have the new President in place. Most likely he’ll get rid of these guys and hire new staff for the following season. Darko and coaching staff could also be overhauled.

I think that might depend on the outcome of this season (I'm reminded of the Jays' 2015 season suddenly when that team became good out of nowhere which forced newly hired Shapiro and AA into a very awkward situation at season's end), but that's exactly the kind of change this franchise has badly needed for a long time now.

Yes, change you can believe in! Where we see young players and draft capital shipped out for players who MIGHT be good enough to get us to the 1st round but not good enough to get us anywhere near a title. Like I said before, the Raptors are now in the hands of the Canadian James Dolan.

[Randle McMurphy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1ln3iqk/bobby_webster_and_staff_are_under_contract_for_2/

Lines up with Darko. They're essentially giving everyone a year to save their jobs.

I hate to say "I told you so", but I was telling a lot of the anti-Masai stuff to be careful what they wish for with Rogers taking over. this is Scase and Del's worst nightmare come true. Everyone is on the clock and Rogers wants a winner next year.

While Pelley went in front of a camera and said the Raptors are in a rebuild. How do you save your job when it’s clearly a rebuild? By breaking it and trading for win now players?

Yeah, we’re cooked lol

They weren't already breaking it and trading for win now players? What is acquiring Ingram? What is retaining Poeltl?

No clue how anybody is blaming Ed Rogers for the treadmilling direction that Masai/Bobby have already led this team.

[CazOnReal]

I wonder how long we'll have to wait for, like Dolan, nepobaby Eddie to learn to stay the f*ck out of team operations

They weren't already breaking it and trading for win now players? What is acquiring Ingram? What is retaining Poeltl?

No clue how anybody is blaming Ed Rogers for the treadmilling direction that Masai/Bobby have already led this team.

In order to be a treadmill team, you actually have to be on the treadmill.

This team very clearly took a step back to acquire some young talent (While still having some interesting young pieces in Scottie and IQ) and is presumably using this time period to evaluate who should stay, who should go and so on for when the team is truly competitive - all while getting a bargain on talent whenever they could i.e. Ingram for a 1st that no one could have predicted at the time could be a lottery pick in the same way no one predicted the Pacers to be in the Finals.

Obviously it's easier said than done but I feel it's worth mentioning Masai more or less did just that when he moved on from Melo and went on to assemble a 57 win team two years after that trade went down.

[Randle McMurphy]

It’s clear now. They are going to totally clean house. The current staff will likely only be here until the end of this upcoming season, by which they hope to have the new President in place. Most likely he’ll get rid of these guys and hire new staff for the following season. Darko and coaching staff could also be overhauled.

I think that might depend on the outcome of this season (I'm reminded of the Jays' 2015 season suddenly when that team became good out of nowhere which forced newly hired Shapiro and AA into a very awkward situation at season's end), but that's exactly the kind of change this franchise has badly needed for a long time now.

Yes, change you can believe in! Where we see young players and draft capital shipped out for players who MIGHT be good enough to get us to the 1st round but not good enough to get us anywhere near a title. Like I said before, the Raptors are now in the hands of the Canadian James Dolan.

Did Masai not just trade a 1st round pick next year for Brandon Ingram or did I imagine that

[CPT]

When does the Steve Nash talk start? Has it already started and stopped and I missed it?

[Tha Cynic]

The Raptors were clearly going back to the Derozan/Lowry model of drafting well and developing bench players while having a starting lineup that can make the playoffs . It doesn’t happen overnight. It looks like we’re not going to see this come to fruition as Rogers is about to take control.

I don’t think these guys understand that basketball players don’t sign here. If you’re not putting a premium on drafting, trading and developing you’re basically going to be a poorly run franchise in Toronto. Masai was a master at these. They used a transition phase that was clearly going to have a downturn to let Ed Rogers get rid of the guy who built this teams best years and didn’t even let him pivot.

I’ve already said this multiple times but the mess that happened with the Raptors all happened within a one year span. Masai quickly pivoted by trading all those guys away or letting them go. The ownership is too stupid and doesn’t care about basketball to see what happened over the last 5 years.

[Randle McMurphy]

Masai Ujiri isn't going to let Ed Rogers of all people dictate to him before he even takes ownership control and force him to deal a 1st round pick for Brandon Ingram lol

What a narrative

[Reeko]

I think that might depend on the outcome of this season (I'm reminded of the Jays' 2015 season suddenly when that team became good out of nowhere which forced newly hired Shapiro and AA into a very awkward situation at season's end), but that's exactly the kind of change this franchise has badly needed for a long time now.

Yes, change you can believe in! Where we see young players and draft capital shipped out for players who MIGHT be good enough to get us to the 1st round but not good enough to get us anywhere near a title. Like I said before, the Raptors are now in the hands of the Canadian James Dolan.

Did Masai not just trade a 1st round pick next year for Brandon Ingram or did I imagine that

Bruce Brown and Kelly Olynyk and Indiana's 1st round pick. That's called buying low on an All Star level player. It's not trading the farm for a 37 year old Kevin Durant which is what Rogers wanted Masai to do, to which Masai relented.

[Randle McMurphy]

Yes, change you can believe in! Where we see young players and draft capital shipped out for players who MIGHT be good enough to get us to the 1st round but not good enough to get us anywhere near a title. Like I said before, the Raptors are now in the hands of the Canadian James Dolan.

Did Masai not just trade a 1st round pick next year for Brandon Ingram or did I imagine that

Bruce Brown and Kelly Olynyk and Indiana's 1st round pick. That's called buying low on an All Star level player. It's not trading the farm for a 37 year old Kevin Durant which is what Rogers wanted Masai to do, to which Masai relented.

It's called accelerating a rebuild, if you even want to call whatever it is the Raptors have been doing the past few years a rebuild.

[Tha Cynic]

Lines up with Darko. They're essentially giving everyone a year to save their jobs.

I hate to say "I told you so", but I was telling a lot of the anti-Masai stuff to be careful what they wish for with Rogers taking over. this is Scase and Del's worst nightmare come true. Everyone is on the clock and Rogers wants a winner next year.

While Pelley went in front of a camera and said the Raptors are in a rebuild. How do you save your job when it’s clearly a rebuild? By breaking it and trading for win now players?

Yeah, we’re cooked lol

They weren't already breaking it and trading for win now players? What is acquiring Ingram? What is retaining Poeltl?

No clue how anybody is blaming Ed Rogers for the treadmilling direction that Masai/Bobby have already led this team.

Your idea of a rebuild is to tear everything down and hope for good draft picks. That’s not how the Raptors built their team that won the championship. They showed you can win and still draft and develop well. They went into a draft that was considered one of the worst of all time and came out with some good young players who showed good progress.

They very clearly had a plan in place to increase player value throughout their roster. Rebuild doesn’t have to be to be about trading everyone away and hoping the lottery calls fall into place. They have shown it’s about increasing value at every position. Heck I’m not sure Silver will let this team get a good draft pick in a good year as we saw this year with some strange things happening

[ForeverTFC]

I think that might depend on the outcome of this season (I'm reminded of the Jays' 2015 season suddenly when that team became good out of nowhere which forced newly hired Shapiro and AA into a very awkward situation at season's end), but that's exactly the kind of change this franchise has badly needed for a long time now.

Long time. Go delude yourself elsewhere. Leave us alone.

How many years are needed for it to constitute a "long time?"

2018-2019: Champions
2019-2020: 53-19 (.736 win %), game 7 of East semifinals
2020-2021: Covid - the Tampa tank
2021:2022: 48-34, Scottie ROY (picked against consensus), Pascal 3rd team all NBA, FVV all-star
2022-2023 - Awful year. lose FVV for nothing (awful)
2023-2024 - Awful year, bad OG trade (I've hated it since it happened), tank starts mid-year
2024-2025 - Tank continues


I count 3 bad years, 2 years of questionable decision making which started to turn this season. It definitely takes a lot longer than that for it to be a long time. And even through these 3 awful years, we sit here with all of our picks, a number of assets, and youth/depth. YOU may not like it. But your preferences are not shared by the vast majority of us.

[ill-Will03]

Man I’m sorry but Randle these past few days you’ve shown just how little basketball knowledge you truly have. Some of your takes have been outright stupid. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[tms]

We were lucky to have him for so long. He's a dignitary who rubs elbows with heads of state. His days of putting out prepubescent fires around a basketball team (e.g., CMB’s reaction in the green room) should be behind him

[Tha Cynic]

Long time. Go delude yourself elsewhere. Leave us alone.

How many years are needed for it to constitute a "long time?"

2018-2019: Champions
2019-2020: 53-19 (.736 win %), game 7 of East semifinals
2020-2021: Covid - the Tampa tank
2021:2022: 48-34, Scottie ROY (picked against consensus), Pascal 3rd team all NBA, FVV all-star
2022-2023 - Awful year. lose FVV for nothing (awful)
2023-2024 - Awful year, bad OG trade (I've hated it since it happened), tank starts mid-year
2024-2025 - Tank continues


I count 3 bad years, 2 years of questionable decision making which started to turn this season. It definitely takes a lot longer than for it to be a long time. And even through these 3 awful years, we sit here with all of our picks, a number of assets, and youth/depth. YOU may not like it. But your preferences are not shared by the vast majority of us.

Even in your example here the Raptors started the teardown in 2023-2024 after a bad year in 2022-2023. Masai very clearly acted quickly and pivoted. Basically he saw the mistake and decided it was time for a change. We fired him in the middle of it

[Reeko]

We don't need to argue. The reality is that Masai is gone and Ed Rogers has control of the team. 5 years was too long for some of you. So I guess Ed has 3-5 years to turn us into contenders. I want to see results towards another decade of success in the next 3 seasons and contender status in 5, because by some of your metrics that is how we're judging success with this team.

[Tha Cynic]

Siakam
Barnes
OG
FVV

Are these good basketball players?

[Randle McMurphy]

Long time. Go delude yourself elsewhere. Leave us alone.

How many years are needed for it to constitute a "long time?"

2018-2019: Champions
2019-2020: 53-19 (.736 win %), game 7 of East semifinals
2020-2021: Covid - the Tampa tank
2021:2022: 48-34, Scottie ROY (picked against consensus), Pascal 3rd team all NBA, FVV all-star
2022-2023 - Awful year. lose FVV for nothing (awful)
2023-2024 - Awful year, bad OG trade (I've hated it since it happened), tank starts mid-year
2024-2025 - Tank continues


I count 3 bad years, 2 years of questionable decision making which started to turn this season. It definitely takes a lot longer than for it to be a long time. And even through these 3 awful years, we sit here with all of our picks, a number of assets, and youth/depth. YOU may not like it. But your preferences are not shared by the vast majority of us.

So would it be a long time if it was 5 bad years in a row rather than just 3 (and 4 out of the last 5)? How long are we supposed to wait for this front office to right the ship?

I think it's more than appropriate to give Webster and the rest of the FO a trial run without Masai here while they are hiring a new president. They don't deserve anything more than that after what we've seen.

[bballsparkin]

Casey is a dolt, but at least he's a basketball guy.

Well, I wouldn't call him a dolt. He's a bit of a dinosaur perhaps. Nonetheless, he's a basketball guy and that's a good thing.

[ForeverTFC]

Casey is a dolt, but at least he's a basketball guy.

Well, I wouldn't call him a dolt. He's a bit of a dinosaur perhaps. Nonetheless, he's a basketball guy and that's a good thing.

So is Joe Dumars...