[Shams] Masai Ujiri is out as Vice Chairman and President of the Toronto Raptors - Part 2

[Randle McMurphy]

We don't need to argue. The reality is that Masai is gone and Ed Rogers has control of the team. 5 years was too long for some of you. So I guess Ed has 3-5 years to turn us into contenders. I want to see results towards another decade of success in the next 3 seasons and contender status in 5, because by some of your metrics that is how we're judging success with this team.

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

[Randle McMurphy]

Man I’m sorry but Randle these past few days you’ve shown just how little basketball knowledge you truly have. Some of your takes have been outright stupid. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Educate me.

[bballsparkin]

Casey is a dolt, but at least he's a basketball guy.

Well, I wouldn't call him a dolt. He's a bit of a dinosaur perhaps. Nonetheless, he's a basketball guy and that's a good thing.

So is Joe Dumars...

Dumars is a risk taker and it doesn't always work out. Like I would not be happy if I was a Pelicans fan after the trade up for Queen. Crazy risky. I'm pretty sure Casey would have selected Carmelo had he been Dumars. I'd bet money on that. Well I wouldn't because I don't bet. I'd bet a draft beer on it. I'm not saying I want him in the role. But **** ya compared to Elton Brand or some of the other names. I'm hoping they just promote from within.

[Yeezus_]

We don't need to argue. The reality is that Masai is gone and Ed Rogers has control of the team. 5 years was too long for some of you. So I guess Ed has 3-5 years to turn us into contenders. I want to see results towards another decade of success in the next 3 seasons and contender status in 5, because by some of your metrics that is how we're judging success with this team.

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Which contracts have locked us into treadmilling?

[Reeko]

We don't need to argue. The reality is that Masai is gone and Ed Rogers has control of the team. 5 years was too long for some of you. So I guess Ed has 3-5 years to turn us into contenders. I want to see results towards another decade of success in the next 3 seasons and contender status in 5, because by some of your metrics that is how we're judging success with this team.

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Hey man, Masai came into a not great situation and got rid of dead weight right off the bat. Not only did he get rid of dead weight but he actually extracted value from those transactions. So no, if 5 years of being mediocre to bad is too long for Masai then I expect you to hold that same standard for Edward Samuel Rogers III. Or do you want to move the goal post for Daddy Edward?

[Randle McMurphy]

We don't need to argue. The reality is that Masai is gone and Ed Rogers has control of the team. 5 years was too long for some of you. So I guess Ed has 3-5 years to turn us into contenders. I want to see results towards another decade of success in the next 3 seasons and contender status in 5, because by some of your metrics that is how we're judging success with this team.

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Which contracts have locked us into treadmilling?

Did we not just sign Ingram and Quickley to massive $30-40M a year contracts? You think those things are going to be easy to move out any time soon?

We're locked in with this roster, more or less, for the next couple of years.

[Randle McMurphy]

We don't need to argue. The reality is that Masai is gone and Ed Rogers has control of the team. 5 years was too long for some of you. So I guess Ed has 3-5 years to turn us into contenders. I want to see results towards another decade of success in the next 3 seasons and contender status in 5, because by some of your metrics that is how we're judging success with this team.

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Hey man, Masai came into a not great situation and got rid of dead weight right off the bat. Not only did he get rid of dead weight but he actually extracted value from those transactions. So no, if 5 years of being mediocre to bad is too long for Masai then I expect you to hold that same standard for Edward Samuel Rogers III. Or do you want to move the goal post for Daddy Edward?

What are you even talking about? Masai came into a situation where he had Kyle Lowry, Demar DeRozan, Jonas Valanciunas and Jose Calderon. It's a huge reason this team had the immediate success it did under him.

[ForeverTFC]

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Hey man, Masai came into a not great situation and got rid of dead weight right off the bat. Not only did he get rid of dead weight but he actually extracted value from those transactions. So no, if 5 years of being mediocre to bad is too long for Masai then I expect you to hold that same standard for Edward Samuel Rogers III. Or do you want to move the goal post for Daddy Edward?

What are you even talking about? Masai came into a situation where he had Kyle Lowry, Demar DeRozan, Jonas Valanciunas and Jose Calderon. It's a huge reason this team had the immediate success it did under him.

Knee pads brother. Your knees are going to give out at this rate.

[bballsparkin]

Yes, change you can believe in! Where we see young players and draft capital shipped out for players who MIGHT be good enough to get us to the 1st round but not good enough to get us anywhere near a title. Like I said before, the Raptors are now in the hands of the Canadian James Dolan.

That will give me an excuse to practice things like finally learning Spanish. Watching other teams. I won't watch what the Knicks have been all those many years or what the Raptors used to be. I'm not young like I used to be. Trade out young players and draft capital to treadmill is simple; I'm out.

[bballsparkin]

When does the Steve Nash talk start? Has it already started and stopped and I missed it?

I never even thought of that.

[WuTang_CMB]

That guy keith pelley is a fkin tool and a liar.

They arent going to promote bobby if they only gave bim a 2 yr extension

As others said they r gonna hire a prez frimvoutside and hes gonna call the shots and all these guys will be gonw and likely join masai somewhere else. I’ll prob cheer for that team.

Im going to throw up if its david griffin

[Westside Gunn]

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Which contracts have locked us into treadmilling?

Did we not just sign Ingram and Quickley to massive $30-40M a year contracts? You think those things are going to be easy to move out any time soon?

We're locked in with this roster, more or less, for the next couple of years.

It's a fantastic roster. Not sure what people really want after a rebuild.

How is it a treadmill when Ingram hasn't even played a game yet? Ingram gets to break out of Zion's shadow and this would be his first time as the go to guy in his career.

Quickley is still growing as a player and next season if he stays healthy, he is expected to show a lot of growth in his game. The potential is Tyrese Maxey.

Then you have Barrett and Barnes who are also expected to thrive.

We haven't even gotten to Grady Dick and Collin Boyles yet.

Even if 2 of this entire list play out to their full potential you have a great future that would lead to winning basketball

[notagenius]

Part 2....just gotta say, **** rogers

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[JB7]

We don't need to argue. The reality is that Masai is gone and Ed Rogers has control of the team. 5 years was too long for some of you. So I guess Ed has 3-5 years to turn us into contenders. I want to see results towards another decade of success in the next 3 seasons and contender status in 5, because by some of your metrics that is how we're judging success with this team.

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Buddy, you have no idea how bad this is going to get. It will be even worse than the pre-Masai days. This is now the ownership group that kicked out someone considered one of the premier executives in the league.

It was already difficult getting players to come here. Now they will have no interest what so ever in coming here.

I would not be shocked at all that CMB’s reaction to being drafted by the team was because he already had heard about the situation with Masai.

This is no longer the pre-Masai Raps that were just considered a joke (purple dinosaur team), and who fumbled around trying to look like a legit run organization. This is now a team that was legit, because they had one of the best executives in the league, and they threw it away. They would have been much better off if he had just left. What makes it so much worse is they fired him.

The reason I always felt confident about this team was because of the way he ran it. He was the only successful executive MLSE had left, and they ran him out, thanks to the nepo baby.

Strong leadership at the top matters. Unfortunately, that leader is clearly the nepo baby now, which all the players see, and as such will avoid this team. Again, I would not be shocked at all that Masai’s situation was known around the league, and that is why players like Giannis and Durant had no interest in coming here.

[Yeezus_]

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Which contracts have locked us into treadmilling?

Did we not just sign Ingram and Quickley to massive $30-40M a year contracts? You think those things are going to be easy to move out any time soon?

We're locked in with this roster, more or less, for the next couple of years.

Not really. IQ’s contract is flat making it easier to trade since it’ll continually take up less and less % of the cap as it increases. They can him for value if they want.

In any case, Keith didnt really have a forward plan with this firing nor did Ed Rogers. They just wanted Masai out because of how much he was making. It’s unfortunate Rogers has majority ownership since Masai had great relationships with Mirko Bibic, George Cope prior to that, and of course Larry. It’s clear Rogers didnt want him back prior to his last extension and if they could have it their way, he wouldn’t have been back.

[Randle McMurphy]

Hey man, Masai came into a not great situation and got rid of dead weight right off the bat. Not only did he get rid of dead weight but he actually extracted value from those transactions. So no, if 5 years of being mediocre to bad is too long for Masai then I expect you to hold that same standard for Edward Samuel Rogers III. Or do you want to move the goal post for Daddy Edward?

What are you even talking about? Masai came into a situation where he had Kyle Lowry, Demar DeRozan, Jonas Valanciunas and Jose Calderon. It's a huge reason this team had the immediate success it did under him.

Knee pads brother. Your knees are going to give out at this rate.

The truth hurts.

[Yeezus_]

That guy keith pelley is a fkin tool and a liar.

They arent going to promote bobby if they only gave bim a 2 yr extension

As others said they r gonna hire a prez frimvoutside and hes gonna call the shots and all these guys will be gonw and likely join masai somewhere else. I’ll prob cheer for that team.

Im going to throw up if its david griffin

The new President will keep Bobby/Darko around as scapegoats until they also get let go and get blamed. That’ll allow Keith to have more time to justify these decisions.

[Reeko]

Except the problem with that is Masai and Bobby have locked us into this flawed roster on these contracts that is almost certainly going to be treadmilling for the next several years at least. If we get a new president who wants to implement a new vision, yeah, it's probably going to take a while to evaluate that person.

Hey man, Masai came into a not great situation and got rid of dead weight right off the bat. Not only did he get rid of dead weight but he actually extracted value from those transactions. So no, if 5 years of being mediocre to bad is too long for Masai then I expect you to hold that same standard for Edward Samuel Rogers III. Or do you want to move the goal post for Daddy Edward?

What are you even talking about? Masai came into a situation where he had Kyle Lowry, Demar DeRozan, Jonas Valanciunas and Jose Calderon. It's a huge reason this team had the immediate success it did under him.

Oh yeah, all that talent that was able to amass 34 wins in the previous season. Their success the following season I'm sure had nothing to do with the fact that Masai shipped out Rudy Gay and Andrea Bargnani for good role players and draft capital.

Last season the Raptors won 30 games, should this 4 game difference change my expectations of how fast Edward turns things around?

Honest to God, I hope you're right. I hope that Edward Samuel Rogers knows what he's doing and understands how to build a winning and competitive franchise like we had been for close to a decade. I hope that the fact that he's now run off two of the most successful execs in sports isn't a pattern of pettiness and narcissism and that it's all because he actually knows what's best for the sports franchises. Not looking that way with the Jays, but most certainly Daddy Ed knows more about basketball than he does baseball.

[CPT]

When does the Steve Nash talk start? Has it already started and stopped and I missed it?

I never even thought of that.

Feels like a Rogers/MLSE kind of move though, doesn’t it?

[Yeezus_]

When Keith said he leaves the legacy stuff for the Winston Churchill’s of the world, I knew we’re screwed under his leadership. Man has no idea how to connect and resonate with fanbases.