Brooklyn - Toronto

Godaddycurse · Post #1 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:51 am

Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

MessiahUjiri · Post #2 » by **MessiahUjiri** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:13 am

I don’t get it, from the Raps pov. Cam Johnson won’t get much playing time at the 3 or 4.

Raps have Ingram, Scottie, CMB, Mogbo, Ochai, Gradey all vying for minutes at the 3&4.

Feels like an RJ Barrett move just for the sake of it.

Godaddycurse · Post #3 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:19 am

MessiahUjiri wrote:I don’t get it, from the Raps pov. Cam Johnson won’t get much playing time at the 3 or 4.

Raps have Ingram, Scottie, CMB, Mogbo, Ochai, Gradey all vying for minutes at the 3&4.

Feels like an RJ Barrett move just for the sake of it.

Upgrades our spacing and bench production, fills backup C hole and keeps us out of tax this and next year (gives us room to re-sign poeltl and agbaji)

daoneandonly · Post #4 » by **daoneandonly** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:46 pm

Raps are already pretty stack at the forward spot, no? Cam Jo is a better floor spacer than the others, but still

Post #5 » by **oldncreaky** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:06 pm

MessiahUjiri wrote:I don’t get it, from the Raps pov. Cam Johnson won’t get much playing time at the 3 or 4.

Raps have Ingram, Scottie, CMB, Mogbo, Ochai, Gradey all vying for minutes at the 3&4.

Feels like an RJ Barrett move just for the sake of it.

Agree

I also have absolutely no idea how well Wolf will be in the NBA. As a Michigan alum, I always catch a few UM Bball games, and Wolf is one of the most confounding prospects I've ever followed on the Wolverines. He has skills that should translate, including great passing vision, and he could be a surprise hit. OTOH he may very well not have enough athleticism to hang in the league at all. I just don't know.

I'm still thinking the best move for TOR to stop digging a hole is to flip BI at the TDL

bobbyp3588 · Post #6 » by **bobbyp3588** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:56 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

2 best assets in the deal are from the Raps. Easy pass.

Godaddycurse · Post #7 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:57 pm

bobbyp3588 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

2 best assets in the deal are from the Raps. Easy pass.

Nah Barrett is the worst asset in this deal

TheNetsFan · Post #8 » by **TheNetsFan** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:02 am

I don't get Wolf's inclusion. Nets are trading a valuable player and taking on slightly negative salary, while only getting one pick, yet they need to kick back a just drafted player?

One_and_Done · Post #9 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:50 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

If the 1st is unprotected the Nets say yes for sure. There's a good chance the Raptors are bad next year. If it's protected, there's no way the Nets do it.

bobbyp3588 · Post #10 » by **bobbyp3588** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:32 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
bobbyp3588 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

2 best assets in the deal are from the Raps. Easy pass.

Nah Barrett is the worst asset in this deal

Nope.

Godaddycurse · Post #11 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:34 am

TheNetsFan wrote:I don't get Wolf's inclusion. Nets are trading a valuable player and taking on slightly negative salary, while only getting one pick, yet they need to kick back a just drafted player?

Hea included because i think unprotected 1st + barrett > johnson, or at least the consensus is johnson wouldnt fetch high variance pick normally/otherwise in the other OKC threads

TheNetsFan · Post #12 » by **TheNetsFan** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:52 am

Variance is greatly overrated on this board, especially for a pick one season out. If the Raptors want Johnson, they need to put at least a first on the table. If they're afraid they'll implode, put some light protection that rolls over for multiple years. If you don't want to have your tradeable draft picks tied up for multiple years, don't protect it and live with the outcome.

wegotthabeet · Post #13 » by **wegotthabeet** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:04 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

Is that pick unprotected? Why do you do this to us?

Godaddycurse · Post #14 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:14 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

Is that pick unprotected? Why do you do this to us?

Yes, i think we can make playoffs in the east/the new FO isnt going to tank anyways. I think webster and Tolzman will try their hardest to win to secure a promotion

Post #15 » by **oldncreaky** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:43 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
bobbyp3588 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn trade: Johnson, Wolf
Toronto trade: Barrett, TOR 2026 1st

Why for Toronto: Playoff push. Ownership doesn't want to tank anymore.. Wolf theoretically should fit well with CMB on the bench + Toronto liked him during the predraft process
Why for Brooklyn: get a high variance 1st for Johnson unlike the other offers we see

Poeltl/Wolf
Johnson/CMB
Barnes/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji
IQ/Shead

2 best assets in the deal are from the Raps. Easy pass.

Nah Barrett is the worst asset in this deal

Wolf is a better asset than Barrett? I feel like the valuations of Barrett have jumped the shark

Look, I get scepticism about Barrett's statistical improvement as a starter in TOR. It could be all empty stats. Too much tanking and injuries. He's spent so much time playing beside rookies and GLeaguers, and every position except C, that it is impossible to know if his jumps in efficiency and D will translate to playing as a 4th option in the starting line-up. But just like I don't think we can project from his 100 or so games starting in TOR, I don't think we can completely ignore that time either. We also shouldn't ignore that, on a CMNT (with SGA, Brooks, Dort, Murray and Nembhard) RJ Barrett was arguably the second best player in 2 successive summers of international competition.

If Barrett is as negative as perceptions on this board are, might as well wait until next off-season to trade him as he will be cheaper to move when he is on an expiring contract.

I'd still rather flip BI at the TDL -- hopefully after recouping some value better than the late FRP he cost.

Post #16 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:45 pm

bobbyp3588 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
bobbyp3588 wrote:
2 best assets in the deal are from the Raps. Easy pass.

Nah Barrett is the worst asset in this deal

Nope.

The Raptors just shopped him and found no takers.

Raptors Are Reportedly Shopping Veteran Guard https://share.google/c3vnxW6BXxmNTy4MM

Thaddy · Post #17 » by **Thaddy** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:47 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
bobbyp3588 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Nah Barrett is the worst asset in this deal

Nope.

The Raptors just shopped him and found no takers.

Raptors Are Reportedly Shopping Veteran Guard https://share.google/c3vnxW6BXxmNTy4MM

Where in the article does it say that no teams are interested?

Seems like you just made that up and then pasted a random article

:rofl:

Post #18 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:48 pm

Thaddy wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
bobbyp3588 wrote:
Nope.

The Raptors just shopped him and found no takers.

Raptors Are Reportedly Shopping Veteran Guard https://share.google/c3vnxW6BXxmNTy4MM

Where in the article does it say that no teams are interested?

He's still on the roster.

Godaddycurse · Post #19 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:48 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
bobbyp3588 wrote:
2 best assets in the deal are from the Raps. Easy pass.

Nah Barrett is the worst asset in this deal

Wolf is a better asset than Barrett? I feel like the valuations of Barrett have jumped the shark

Look, I get scepticism about Barrett's statistical improvement as a starter in TOR. It could be all empty stats. Too much tanking and injuries. He's spent so much time playing beside rookies and GLeaguers, and every position except C, that it is impossible to know if his jumps in efficiency and D will translate to playing as a 4th option in the starting line-up. But just like I don't think we can project from his 100 or so games starting in TOR, I don't think we can completely ignore that time either. We also shouldn't ignore that, on a CMNT (with SGA, Brooks, Dort, Murray and Nembhard) RJ Barrett was arguably the second best player in 2 successive summers of international competition.

If Barrett is as negative as perceptions on this board are, might as well wait until next off-season to trade him as he will be cheaper to move when he is on an expiring contract.

I'd still rather flip BI at the TDL -- hopefully after recouping some value better than the late FRP he cost.

Wolf didnt get a chance to go on the court depreciate yet

i think barrett is worth expirings. Mostly want to trade him to keep agbaji/avoid the tax/fill back up C hold. Im okay with holding him til TDL/next offseason too to see if his good play keeps up in lower usage role

Thaddy · Post #20 » by **Thaddy** » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:49 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
The Raptors just shopped him and found no takers.

Raptors Are Reportedly Shopping Veteran Guard https://share.google/c3vnxW6BXxmNTy4MM

Where in the article does it say that no teams are interested?

He's still on the roster.

You stated some random opinion, pasted a random article from MSN lol. Then you double down. Nice.