2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0

[pepe1991]

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This article backs up a point I’ve been hammering for a while that wing-hub offenses don’t need a traditional floor general. They need shooting and spacing.

Closeout creation, the foundation of modern offense, only works if defenders respect shooters. No gravity means no space for the hub to operate.

Spot-up plays are the engine. Draw help, kick it out, punish the rotation. That’s the formula.

You don’t build this system around a heliocentric PG. You build it around shooters who stretch the floor and keep defenses rotating.

It really worked wonders in practical use



Btw can you name title winners with such formula, in past 30 years aside from a team that had best player in history of a game, on a team where his teammate was top 8-ish best player in same time and second best defender nba had in that timeframe?


This whole concept is theorethical and nothing else. Tall guards that you present as "wings hubs" like Lebron and Luka or Harden or Magic Johnson are actually FLOOR GENERAL POINT GUARDS and very ball dominant. They aren't wings. They are just not "small guards" on offense that is traditional size for PG.


In reality, in context of Orlando, neither Banchero nor Franz aren't natural at making plays for others all the time or having good insticts to control pace or calm team , or involve others. They just hunt own shots with ball, and from time to time, they create some good looks for others. But they have no clue how to involve rest of a team in game. Even in playoffs, in games when rest of Magic supporting cast actually shot well, they never got enough shots to take advantage of it.


Closest team to Magic that actually was competitive with similar roster are Celtics, but Celtics had two guards and Horford who were above average passers. Jrue Holiday used to be one of best passing playmakers in a game, and Derrick White is combo guard capable of creating and passing. And Horford in past was closest thing to passing Center you can find. And whole concept still only worked because Tatum and Brown, but especially Tatum can play off ball and shoot lights out from 3. Oh and they also had Porzingis and Prichard, all star and 6th man of a year ( and one is 6'1 PG ).

I won't even go into "winning draft " with two picks that won't collect 60 games played total, combined, is as silly as it gets.

[SOUL]

I would argue 3 of last four champs don't have traditional table setting PG.. for the simple fact is that there aren't many that exist anymore. Jrue is a hybrid guard, but obviously more than passable as a point, Murray is a score-first guard but has some PG chops. Obviously you either need Suggs to get to that level or have someone develop or trade for one that can be a decent playermaker in this team.

The real common denominator in champions is having legit top 5 players though. Until/if one of Paolo and Franz get to that level, then everything else really is just arguing for argument's sake. It's no secret we will need someone that can control pace, tempo, set guys up in the right place. Specifically players that can drive and collapse defenses.

Bane is by no means a real point guard but one good thing I noticed about him is that he likes to drive a lot, way more of an inside player than I thought even though he also shoots a lot of threes. That's part of what we need for gravity and collapsing defenses. Ball moving sideways across the perimeter happened too much last year because there weren't enough competent ball handlers or guards that felt comfortable touching the paint.

[pepe1991]

There is big difference between not having "table setting PG" and not having PG at all. Most contenders have several point guards or combo guards.

Table setting PGs don't exist because it's dead archetype, today's guards are too talented to just pass ball around. It would be too predictable. Even best "pure point guard" in Haliburton, still is 20 ppg player.
Current MVP, finals MVP, league's leading scorer is PG.
Guy who changed nba is shooting point guard.
Even Jokić works best next to guard who can do both, pass and score.


But that doesn't mean they don't know how to play like playmakers, or they don't play like playmakers. They still control pace and give team much needed security on ball, buckets when needed and take over a game when it's time to do so.

Lebron just screwed generation of casual fans fooling them into thinking he isn't actual playmaker just because he packs 250 pounds on 6'8 frame and can't be guarded with other guards on perimeter.

[drsd]

Weltman is 5'10 and Mosely is 6'8".

Are the new Magicians standing on somehting? Both look too tall in this photo.

Weltman at 5'10 is like Jase being 6'3 at Michigan St

I had google do height comparisons and Weltman is stated as "slightly above average height". As the average American male height is 5'9", I thus guessed 5'10".

Even if Weltman is only 5'9", in that photo, Richardson is projected to look like he's 6'6"!

The media photos: Richardson looks TINY compared to Penda. A very, very short 6'0". It's like when the Magic called Nelson 6'0".

In this photo I believe that Richardson is standing on something Penda is not standing on.

[drsd]

I would argue 3 of last four champs don't have traditional table setting PG.. for the simple fact is that there aren't many that exist anymore.

There is big difference between not having "table setting PG" and not having PG at all. Most contenders have several point guards or combo guards.

Orlando needs to be running the pick and roll for at least 40% of their set plays. 50% would be better.

In that Bane is a much better PnR establishing player over Suggs.
(( and I still think the Magic need a reciprocal Banchero/F-Wagner RnR play ))

[cedric76]

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https://theswishtheory.com/2025-nba-draft-articles/2024/12/closeout-creation-the-fulcrum-of-nba-offenses/

This article backs up a point I’ve been hammering for a while that wing-hub offenses don’t need a traditional floor general. They need shooting and spacing.

Closeout creation, the foundation of modern offense, only works if defenders respect shooters. No gravity means no space for the hub to operate.

Spot-up plays are the engine. Draw help, kick it out, punish the rotation. That’s the formula.

You don’t build this system around a heliocentric PG. You build it around shooters who stretch the floor and keep defenses rotating.

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[zaymon]

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https://theswishtheory.com/2025-nba-draft-articles/2024/12/closeout-creation-the-fulcrum-of-nba-offenses/

This article backs up a point I’ve been hammering for a while that wing-hub offenses don’t need a traditional floor general. They need shooting and spacing.

Closeout creation, the foundation of modern offense, only works if defenders respect shooters. No gravity means no space for the hub to operate.

Spot-up plays are the engine. Draw help, kick it out, punish the rotation. That’s the formula.

You don’t build this system around a heliocentric PG. You build it around shooters who stretch the floor and keep defenses rotating.

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With this drafting strategy, we should consider implementing offense similar to what Grizzlies did last season. It actually seems perfectly suited for players we have already.

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[basketballRob]

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https://theswishtheory.com/2025-nba-draft-articles/2024/12/closeout-creation-the-fulcrum-of-nba-offenses/

This article backs up a point I’ve been hammering for a while that wing-hub offenses don’t need a traditional floor general. They need shooting and spacing.

Closeout creation, the foundation of modern offense, only works if defenders respect shooters. No gravity means no space for the hub to operate.

Spot-up plays are the engine. Draw help, kick it out, punish the rotation. That’s the formula.

You don’t build this system around a heliocentric PG. You build it around shooters who stretch the floor and keep defenses rotating.

so, the obvious conclusion is trade AB for Knecht-types

Knecht wouldn't play here. He can't defend. Black had the same BPM while being 3 years younger last season. Black also had a better EPM than Knecht. He's just a better prospect.

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[basketballRob]

I hope Jase and Penda work out.

The 6 players picked from 26-31 look really good.

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[eyriq]

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https://theswishtheory.com/2025-nba-draft-articles/2024/12/closeout-creation-the-fulcrum-of-nba-offenses/

This article backs up a point I’ve been hammering for a while that wing-hub offenses don’t need a traditional floor general. They need shooting and spacing.

Closeout creation, the foundation of modern offense, only works if defenders respect shooters. No gravity means no space for the hub to operate.

Spot-up plays are the engine. Draw help, kick it out, punish the rotation. That’s the formula.

You don’t build this system around a heliocentric PG. You build it around shooters who stretch the floor and keep defenses rotating.

It really worked wonders in practical use



Btw can you name title winners with such formula, in past 30 years aside from a team that had best player in history of a game, on a team where his teammate was top 8-ish best player in same time and second best defender nba had in that timeframe?


This whole concept is theorethical and nothing else. Tall guards that you present as "wings hubs" like Lebron and Luka or Harden or Magic Johnson are actually FLOOR GENERAL POINT GUARDS and very ball dominant. They aren't wings. They are just not "small guards" on offense that is traditional size for PG.


In reality, in context of Orlando, neither Banchero nor Franz aren't natural at making plays for others all the time or having good insticts to control pace or calm team , or involve others. They just hunt own shots with ball, and from time to time, they create some good looks for others. But they have no clue how to involve rest of a team in game. Even in playoffs, in games when rest of Magic supporting cast actually shot well, they never got enough shots to take advantage of it.


Closest team to Magic that actually was competitive with similar roster are Celtics, but Celtics had two guards and Horford who were above average passers. Jrue Holiday used to be one of best passing playmakers in a game, and Derrick White is combo guard capable of creating and passing. And Horford in past was closest thing to passing Center you can find. And whole concept still only worked because Tatum and Brown, but especially Tatum can play off ball and shoot lights out from 3. Oh and they also had Porzingis and Prichard, all star and 6th man of a year ( and one is 6'1 PG ).

I won't even go into "winning draft " with two picks that won't collect 60 games played total, combined, is as silly as it gets.

The point isn’t copying Luka or LeBron. In a wing-hub system like Orlando’s, the offense flows through Paolo and Franz. You don’t need a heliocentric point guard. You need shooters and secondary players who punish closeouts and keep the ball moving.

Boston is a good comparison. The offense runs through wings, supported by spacing and smart passers, not a pure floor general. That’s what modern offense demands.

No one’s claiming the rookies will be stars right away. But if even one hits, it’s good value. The front office is building around its strengths, not chasing outdated archetypes.

[Knightro]

This article backs up a point I’ve been hammering for a while that wing-hub offenses don’t need a traditional floor general. They need shooting and spacing.

Closeout creation, the foundation of modern offense, only works if defenders respect shooters. No gravity means no space for the hub to operate.

Spot-up plays are the engine. Draw help, kick it out, punish the rotation. That’s the formula.

You don’t build this system around a heliocentric PG. You build it around shooters who stretch the floor and keep defenses rotating.

It really worked wonders in practical use



Btw can you name title winners with such formula, in past 30 years aside from a team that had best player in history of a game, on a team where his teammate was top 8-ish best player in same time and second best defender nba had in that timeframe?


This whole concept is theorethical and nothing else. Tall guards that you present as "wings hubs" like Lebron and Luka or Harden or Magic Johnson are actually FLOOR GENERAL POINT GUARDS and very ball dominant. They aren't wings. They are just not "small guards" on offense that is traditional size for PG.


In reality, in context of Orlando, neither Banchero nor Franz aren't natural at making plays for others all the time or having good insticts to control pace or calm team , or involve others. They just hunt own shots with ball, and from time to time, they create some good looks for others. But they have no clue how to involve rest of a team in game. Even in playoffs, in games when rest of Magic supporting cast actually shot well, they never got enough shots to take advantage of it.


Closest team to Magic that actually was competitive with similar roster are Celtics, but Celtics had two guards and Horford who were above average passers. Jrue Holiday used to be one of best passing playmakers in a game, and Derrick White is combo guard capable of creating and passing. And Horford in past was closest thing to passing Center you can find. And whole concept still only worked because Tatum and Brown, but especially Tatum can play off ball and shoot lights out from 3. Oh and they also had Porzingis and Prichard, all star and 6th man of a year ( and one is 6'1 PG ).

I won't even go into "winning draft " with two picks that won't collect 60 games played total, combined, is as silly as it gets.

The point isn’t copying Luka or LeBron. In a wing-hub system like Orlando’s, the offense flows through Paolo and Franz. You don’t need a heliocentric point guard. You need shooters and secondary players who punish closeouts and keep the ball moving.

Boston is a good comparison. The offense runs through wings, supported by spacing and smart passers, not a pure floor general. That’s what modern offense demands.

No one’s claiming the rookies will be stars right away. But if even one hits, it’s good value. The front office is building around its strengths, not chasing outdated archetypes.

I think the point that anyone who is refuting you is trying to make is not that the *idea* of a “wing hub” offense itself is a poor one.

More that Paolo and Franz have not shown the requisite perimeter shooting skill nor the requisite advanced playmaking skill to make such a system work effectively.

Teams who have thrived without a traditional point guard, their big facilitating hub was simply much better at shooting (which ties directly into creating playmaking opportunity via gravity) and/or playmaking than Paolo and Franz have shown to be thus far in their careers.

And where it really gets off the rails is this belief that you have that offense will improve dramatically if the players surrounding the two poor shooting, middling playmaking forwards simply shoot the ball better.

[VFX]

This article backs up a point I’ve been hammering for a while that wing-hub offenses don’t need a traditional floor general. They need shooting and spacing.

Closeout creation, the foundation of modern offense, only works if defenders respect shooters. No gravity means no space for the hub to operate.

Spot-up plays are the engine. Draw help, kick it out, punish the rotation. That’s the formula.

You don’t build this system around a heliocentric PG. You build it around shooters who stretch the floor and keep defenses rotating.

It really worked wonders in practical use



Btw can you name title winners with such formula, in past 30 years aside from a team that had best player in history of a game, on a team where his teammate was top 8-ish best player in same time and second best defender nba had in that timeframe?


This whole concept is theorethical and nothing else. Tall guards that you present as "wings hubs" like Lebron and Luka or Harden or Magic Johnson are actually FLOOR GENERAL POINT GUARDS and very ball dominant. They aren't wings. They are just not "small guards" on offense that is traditional size for PG.


In reality, in context of Orlando, neither Banchero nor Franz aren't natural at making plays for others all the time or having good insticts to control pace or calm team , or involve others. They just hunt own shots with ball, and from time to time, they create some good looks for others. But they have no clue how to involve rest of a team in game. Even in playoffs, in games when rest of Magic supporting cast actually shot well, they never got enough shots to take advantage of it.


Closest team to Magic that actually was competitive with similar roster are Celtics, but Celtics had two guards and Horford who were above average passers. Jrue Holiday used to be one of best passing playmakers in a game, and Derrick White is combo guard capable of creating and passing. And Horford in past was closest thing to passing Center you can find. And whole concept still only worked because Tatum and Brown, but especially Tatum can play off ball and shoot lights out from 3. Oh and they also had Porzingis and Prichard, all star and 6th man of a year ( and one is 6'1 PG ).

I won't even go into "winning draft " with two picks that won't collect 60 games played total, combined, is as silly as it gets.

The point isn’t copying Luka or LeBron. In a wing-hub system like Orlando’s, the offense flows through Paolo and Franz. You don’t need a heliocentric point guard. You need shooters and secondary players who punish closeouts and keep the ball moving.

Boston is a good comparison. The offense runs through wings, supported by spacing and smart passers, not a pure floor general. That’s what modern offense demands.

No one’s claiming the rookies will be stars right away. But if even one hits, it’s good value. The front office is building around its strengths, not chasing outdated archetypes.

Man I’m so tired of this argument and comparison.

The only reason the Celtics work at all in this blueprint is because 4/5 and sometimes 5/5 of the players on the floor shoot the basketball well from outside. That’s it. The players that touch the ball can shoot the ball from anywhere.

Tatum, White, and Holiday each averaged 5 assists per game on LOW turnovers. You know who came close to that at all in Orlando? Paolo with 4.8/3 as an A/TO ratio. That’s terrible and indicates he’s not the same kind of player to be a “hub” generating offense off the dribble for others.

“Wing-hub system” is just another way of saying “we don’t have guards on offense that create for others consistently”. It’s just a convenient way of shifting roles around, theoretically in your mind, and labeling them to make you feel better about lack of creation from positions that usually provide it.

You can call the system whatever you want. Come up with any name that makes you feel better about bottom ranked offense with little outside creation off the pass.

Saying “you don’t need a heliocentric guard” is semantics. You can define that term to mean playmaking (pass first) or scoring off the dribble on high volume to whichever way you see fit in your mind. The bottom line is that having that player opens up the floor for Franz and Paolo to get easier buckets in space, which is their entire job based on their skillsets.

[CarraT]

It really worked wonders in practical use



Btw can you name title winners with such formula, in past 30 years aside from a team that had best player in history of a game, on a team where his teammate was top 8-ish best player in same time and second best defender nba had in that timeframe?


This whole concept is theorethical and nothing else. Tall guards that you present as "wings hubs" like Lebron and Luka or Harden or Magic Johnson are actually FLOOR GENERAL POINT GUARDS and very ball dominant. They aren't wings. They are just not "small guards" on offense that is traditional size for PG.


In reality, in context of Orlando, neither Banchero nor Franz aren't natural at making plays for others all the time or having good insticts to control pace or calm team , or involve others. They just hunt own shots with ball, and from time to time, they create some good looks for others. But they have no clue how to involve rest of a team in game. Even in playoffs, in games when rest of Magic supporting cast actually shot well, they never got enough shots to take advantage of it.


Closest team to Magic that actually was competitive with similar roster are Celtics, but Celtics had two guards and Horford who were above average passers. Jrue Holiday used to be one of best passing playmakers in a game, and Derrick White is combo guard capable of creating and passing. And Horford in past was closest thing to passing Center you can find. And whole concept still only worked because Tatum and Brown, but especially Tatum can play off ball and shoot lights out from 3. Oh and they also had Porzingis and Prichard, all star and 6th man of a year ( and one is 6'1 PG ).

I won't even go into "winning draft " with two picks that won't collect 60 games played total, combined, is as silly as it gets.

The point isn’t copying Luka or LeBron. In a wing-hub system like Orlando’s, the offense flows through Paolo and Franz. You don’t need a heliocentric point guard. You need shooters and secondary players who punish closeouts and keep the ball moving.

Boston is a good comparison. The offense runs through wings, supported by spacing and smart passers, not a pure floor general. That’s what modern offense demands.

No one’s claiming the rookies will be stars right away. But if even one hits, it’s good value. The front office is building around its strengths, not chasing outdated archetypes.

Man I’m so tired of this argument and comparison.

The only reason the Celtics work at all in this blueprint is because 4/5 and sometimes 5/5 of the players on the floor shoot the basketball well from outside. That’s it. The players that touch the ball can shoot the ball from anywhere.

Tatum, White, and Holiday each averaged 5 assists per game on LOW turnovers. You know who came close to that at all in Orlando? Paolo with 4.8/3 as an A/TO ratio. That’s terrible and indicates he’s not the same kind of player to be a “hub” generating offense off the dribble for others.

“Wing-hub system” is just another way of saying “we don’t have guards on offense that create for others consistently”. It’s just a convenient way of shifting roles around, theoretically in your mind, and labeling them to make you feel better about lack of creation from positions that usually provide it.

You can call the system whatever you want. Come up with any name that makes you feel better about bottom ranked offense with little outside creation off the pass.

Saying “you don’t need a heliocentric guard” is semantics. You can define that term to mean playmaking (pass first) or scoring off the dribble on high volume to whichever way you see fit in your mind. The bottom line is that having that player opens up the floor for Franz and Paolo to get easier buckets in space, which is their entire job based on their skillsets.

He just came up with this bull to justify AB having so bad Assist numbers but still be the „PGOTF“.
But even if Paolo and Franz would be Tatum/Luka like Playmakers (which they are not), AB is still a super bad fit here because, as he claims, you still need to complement them with shooting, shooting, shooting. Which is the worst part of ABs game.

[basketballRob]

The point isn’t copying Luka or LeBron. In a wing-hub system like Orlando’s, the offense flows through Paolo and Franz. You don’t need a heliocentric point guard. You need shooters and secondary players who punish closeouts and keep the ball moving.

Boston is a good comparison. The offense runs through wings, supported by spacing and smart passers, not a pure floor general. That’s what modern offense demands.

No one’s claiming the rookies will be stars right away. But if even one hits, it’s good value. The front office is building around its strengths, not chasing outdated archetypes.

Man I’m so tired of this argument and comparison.

The only reason the Celtics work at all in this blueprint is because 4/5 and sometimes 5/5 of the players on the floor shoot the basketball well from outside. That’s it. The players that touch the ball can shoot the ball from anywhere.

Tatum, White, and Holiday each averaged 5 assists per game on LOW turnovers. You know who came close to that at all in Orlando? Paolo with 4.8/3 as an A/TO ratio. That’s terrible and indicates he’s not the same kind of player to be a “hub” generating offense off the dribble for others.

“Wing-hub system” is just another way of saying “we don’t have guards on offense that create for others consistently”. It’s just a convenient way of shifting roles around, theoretically in your mind, and labeling them to make you feel better about lack of creation from positions that usually provide it.

You can call the system whatever you want. Come up with any name that makes you feel better about bottom ranked offense with little outside creation off the pass.

Saying “you don’t need a heliocentric guard” is semantics. You can define that term to mean playmaking (pass first) or scoring off the dribble on high volume to whichever way you see fit in your mind. The bottom line is that having that player opens up the floor for Franz and Paolo to get easier buckets in space, which is their entire job based on their skillsets.

He just came up with this bull to justify AB having so bad Assist numbers but still be the „PGOTF“.
But even if Paolo and Franz would be Tatum/Luka like Playmakers (which they are not), AB is still a super bad fit here because, as he claims, you still need to complement them with shooting, shooting, shooting. Which is the worst part of ABs game.

I stopped when you said that Franz and Paolo can't be playmakers like Tatum.

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[Bergmaniac]

I agree that you don't necessarily a traditional PG to have a very good offense, but you definitely need a lot of passing and ballhandling ability in the lineups you put on the court. Replacing KCP with Bale is a step in the right direction but I don't know if this would be enough to make us a top tier offense, we need Paolo, Franz and Suggs to also improve as scorers and as ballhandlers and hopefully they will.

[eyriq]

It really worked wonders in practical use



Btw can you name title winners with such formula, in past 30 years aside from a team that had best player in history of a game, on a team where his teammate was top 8-ish best player in same time and second best defender nba had in that timeframe?


This whole concept is theorethical and nothing else. Tall guards that you present as "wings hubs" like Lebron and Luka or Harden or Magic Johnson are actually FLOOR GENERAL POINT GUARDS and very ball dominant. They aren't wings. They are just not "small guards" on offense that is traditional size for PG.


In reality, in context of Orlando, neither Banchero nor Franz aren't natural at making plays for others all the time or having good insticts to control pace or calm team , or involve others. They just hunt own shots with ball, and from time to time, they create some good looks for others. But they have no clue how to involve rest of a team in game. Even in playoffs, in games when rest of Magic supporting cast actually shot well, they never got enough shots to take advantage of it.


Closest team to Magic that actually was competitive with similar roster are Celtics, but Celtics had two guards and Horford who were above average passers. Jrue Holiday used to be one of best passing playmakers in a game, and Derrick White is combo guard capable of creating and passing. And Horford in past was closest thing to passing Center you can find. And whole concept still only worked because Tatum and Brown, but especially Tatum can play off ball and shoot lights out from 3. Oh and they also had Porzingis and Prichard, all star and 6th man of a year ( and one is 6'1 PG ).

I won't even go into "winning draft " with two picks that won't collect 60 games played total, combined, is as silly as it gets.

The point isn’t copying Luka or LeBron. In a wing-hub system like Orlando’s, the offense flows through Paolo and Franz. You don’t need a heliocentric point guard. You need shooters and secondary players who punish closeouts and keep the ball moving.

Boston is a good comparison. The offense runs through wings, supported by spacing and smart passers, not a pure floor general. That’s what modern offense demands.

No one’s claiming the rookies will be stars right away. But if even one hits, it’s good value. The front office is building around its strengths, not chasing outdated archetypes.

I think the point that anyone who is refuting you is trying to make is not that the *idea* of a “wing hub” offense itself is a poor one.

More that Paolo and Franz have not shown the requisite perimeter shooting skill nor the requisite advanced playmaking skill to make such a system work effectively.

Teams who have thrived without a traditional point guard, their big facilitating hub was simply much better at shooting (which ties directly into creating playmaking opportunity via gravity) and/or playmaking than Paolo and Franz have shown to be thus far in their careers.

And where it really gets off the rails is this belief that you have that offense will improve dramatically if the players surrounding the two poor shooting, middling playmaking forwards simply shoot the ball better.

Paolo and Franz are already top 10 in assist percentage among all forwards and they’re just 22 and 23. That’s a strong foundation, not a finished product. Their passing has steadily improved, and surrounding them with real shooting isn’t some wild theory. It’s how you unlock the next level of a wing-hub offense.

[eyriq]

The point isn’t copying Luka or LeBron. In a wing-hub system like Orlando’s, the offense flows through Paolo and Franz. You don’t need a heliocentric point guard. You need shooters and secondary players who punish closeouts and keep the ball moving.

Boston is a good comparison. The offense runs through wings, supported by spacing and smart passers, not a pure floor general. That’s what modern offense demands.

No one’s claiming the rookies will be stars right away. But if even one hits, it’s good value. The front office is building around its strengths, not chasing outdated archetypes.

Man I’m so tired of this argument and comparison.

The only reason the Celtics work at all in this blueprint is because 4/5 and sometimes 5/5 of the players on the floor shoot the basketball well from outside. That’s it. The players that touch the ball can shoot the ball from anywhere.

Tatum, White, and Holiday each averaged 5 assists per game on LOW turnovers. You know who came close to that at all in Orlando? Paolo with 4.8/3 as an A/TO ratio. That’s terrible and indicates he’s not the same kind of player to be a “hub” generating offense off the dribble for others.

“Wing-hub system” is just another way of saying “we don’t have guards on offense that create for others consistently”. It’s just a convenient way of shifting roles around, theoretically in your mind, and labeling them to make you feel better about lack of creation from positions that usually provide it.

You can call the system whatever you want. Come up with any name that makes you feel better about bottom ranked offense with little outside creation off the pass.

Saying “you don’t need a heliocentric guard” is semantics. You can define that term to mean playmaking (pass first) or scoring off the dribble on high volume to whichever way you see fit in your mind. The bottom line is that having that player opens up the floor for Franz and Paolo to get easier buckets in space, which is their entire job based on their skillsets.

He just came up with this bull to justify AB having so bad Assist numbers but still be the „PGOTF“.
But even if Paolo and Franz would be Tatum/Luka like Playmakers (which they are not), AB is still a super bad fit here because, as he claims, you still need to complement them with shooting, shooting, shooting. Which is the worst part of ABs game.

Or maybe I just read the room, understood what the front office is building toward, and actually enjoy helping y’all see the vision. This isn’t spin, it’s alignment with where the team is headed and how modern offenses function.

[Skybox]

I really hope they develop a new vision quickly…systems and players can definitely improve through refinement & chemistry, but maybe that’s expecting a lot if you’ve got the worst offense in the league despite having 2 guys scoring 25 with 5 assists each. “Refinement” can only go so far.

You can’t refine water into wine…just like you can’t expect a non-PG to “develop” PG instincts & tendencies. Sometimes it’s obvious that a plan is just a hope and doubling down is like digging in quicksand.

[eyriq]

I really hope they develop a new vision quickly…systems and players can definitely improve through refinement & chemistry, but maybe that’s expecting a lot if you’ve got the worst offense in the league despite having 2 guys scoring 25 with 5 assists each. “Refinement” can only go so far.

You can’t refine water into wine…just like you can’t expect a non-PG to “develop” PG instincts & tendencies. Sometimes it’s obvious that a plan is just a hope and doubling down is like digging in quicksand.

Send them a one pager, I'm sure they'll give a **** about your wonderful takes

[Skybox]

I really hope they develop a new vision quickly…systems and players can definitely improve through refinement & chemistry, but maybe that’s expecting a lot if you’ve got the worst offense in the league despite having 2 guys scoring 25 with 5 assists each. “Refinement” can only go so far.

You can’t refine water into wine…just like you can’t expect a non-PG to “develop” PG instincts & tendencies. Sometimes it’s obvious that a plan is just a hope and doubling down is like digging in quicksand.

Send them a one pager, I'm sure they'll give a **** about your terrible takes

My bad…the offense was great. Beautiful to watch.