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Post#501 » by oldncreaky » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:21 pm

K_chile22 wrote:I didn't really understand why the bucks are ok with Brook just walking. He started the year show but got it back later and is vastly better than any other options they have at center. Feels like he just became a doc scapegoat as the season went on. If they lose him I expect them to be even worse than I thought they'd be without Dame


If MIL is going to keep Giannis and try to compete, I agree that letting Brook walk is perplexing, or flat out dumb

If MIL is going to reboot/rebuild by trading Giannis for youngsters and picks, it makes perfect sense to let Brook walk as a step towards ducking under the tax line

Maybe it will be clear in about 40 hours
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Post#502 » by K_chile22 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:24 pm

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Post#503 » by Karmaloop » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:28 pm

Mavrelous wrote:I'm expecting a direction, using TPMLE on a semi washed center doesn't qualify as one, if their direction is cap space next summer, then I wouldn't be as certain as you are DFS is getting retained.


I mean, the center market isn't flush on FA or in the trade market either. So while I do think the Lakers would put Knecht and their '31 pick open for business there really isn't anyone of note unless you're a DeAndre Ayton stan. And I think he's probably the worst fit for what the Lakers want/need. Myles Turner is going to cost too much for the Lakers to sign, and Indiana probably is going to re-sign him to a long-term deal. Utah doesn't seem realistic in Kessler's value, and I already question Ainge's willingness to do a deal with the Lakers even if they were willing to include the '31 (or '32) pick unprotected, every pick swap available, Knecht, and unprotect their '27 pick. RW3 is an injury-prone center who given his health issues probably isn't an upgrade over Hayes. Cavs probably aren't going to make Allen available short of a massive wing upgrade and a decent big in return. Hawks don't seem interested in giving up Okongwu. Jonas V seems like a solid win-now center, but I don't see Kings interested in dealing with the Lakers. That effectively leaves BroLo, Capela, and Claxton as the only real centers of note that the Lakers could realistically can acquire.

As for DFS, right now the only team that can offer him more than the ntMLE is Brooklyn and they seem unlikely at best to make that kind of offer. Unless DFS is tripping over himself to get to Texas (and nothing I can see would suggest he is), the Lakers' offer comes in around the ntMLE it seems likely he re-signs. It's been well-documented that he and Luka are very close, so I'd anticipate if the money is close he will be back. I think something like 3 years, $42M is the kind of deal he's looking at.
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Post#504 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:39 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:I'm expecting a direction, using TPMLE on a semi washed center doesn't qualify as one, if their direction is cap space next summer, then I wouldn't be as certain as you are DFS is getting retained.


I mean, the center market isn't flush on FA or in the trade market either. So while I do think the Lakers would put Knecht and their '31 pick open for business there really isn't anyone of note unless you're a DeAndre Ayton stan. And I think he's probably the worst fit for what the Lakers want/need. Myles Turner is going to cost too much for the Lakers to sign, and Indiana probably is going to re-sign him to a long-term deal. Utah doesn't seem realistic in Kessler's value, and I already question Ainge's willingness to do a deal with the Lakers even if they were willing to include the '31 (or '32) pick unprotected, every pick swap available, Knecht, and unprotect their '27 pick. RW3 is an injury-prone center who given his health issues probably isn't an upgrade over Hayes. Cavs probably aren't going to make Allen available short of a massive wing upgrade and a decent big in return. Hawks don't seem interested in giving up Okongwu. Jonas V seems like a solid win-now center, but I don't see Kings interested in dealing with the Lakers. That effectively leaves BroLo, Capela, and Claxton as the only real centers of note that the Lakers could realistically can acquire.

As for DFS, right now the only team that can offer him more than the ntMLE is Brooklyn and they seem unlikely at best to make that kind of offer. Unless DFS is tripping over himself to get to Texas (and nothing I can see would suggest he is), the Lakers' offer comes in around the ntMLE it seems likely he re-signs. It's been well-documented that he and Luka are very close, so I'd anticipate if the money is close he will be back. I think something like 3 years, $42M is the kind of deal he's looking at.


No one is suggesting DFS is a cap sapce candidate, but ntMLE, and if the 1st part of your post is correct, then this isn't a serious squad to convince Luka to stay, and they will need an alternative plan to convince him, most likely is cap space next year, which is why they wouldn't want to sign DFS long term.
The comment about Texas is because of secured money and taxes, which makes contract there more lucrative, DFS hasn't made a lot in his career.
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Post#505 » by Karmaloop » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:49 pm

Mavrelous wrote:No one is suggesting DFS is a cap sapce candidate, but ntMLE, and if the 1st part of your post is correct, then this isn't a serious squad to convince Luka to stay, and they will need an alternative plan to convince him, most likely is cap space next year, which is why they wouldn't want to sign DFS long term.
The comment about Texas is because of secured money and taxes, which makes contract there more lucrative, DFS hasn't made a lot in his career.


The Lakers went 22-13 in a post-Luka trade season with an unbalanced roster with only Jaxson Hayes as a true center on the roster. Find a little bit of balance and some other tweaks to the roster, and they're probably a 55+ win team next year assuming they don't have any health issues. Lakers probably aren't going to be a '26 FA player anyways, seems like '27 is more likely given the FA class. And DFS at ntMLE isn't an immoveable contract by any means. I'd venture they probably could get expirings for him at the deadline if they wanted/needed more cap space.

it's not like Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio have players taking less money to play there because they won't get income taxed. There's more to the equation. I'd venture a guess that playing with Luka is probably higher on his list than income tax.
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Post#506 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:51 pm

Karmaloop wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:No one is suggesting DFS is a cap sapce candidate, but ntMLE, and if the 1st part of your post is correct, then this isn't a serious squad to convince Luka to stay, and they will need an alternative plan to convince him, most likely is cap space next year, which is why they wouldn't want to sign DFS long term.
The comment about Texas is because of secured money and taxes, which makes contract there more lucrative, DFS hasn't made a lot in his career.


The Lakers went 22-13 in a post-Luka trade season with an unbalanced roster with only Jaxson Hayes as a true center on the roster. Find a little bit of balance and some other tweaks to the roster, and they're probably a 55+ win team next year assuming they don't have any health issues. Lakers probably aren't going to be a '26 FA player anyways, seems like '27 is more likely given the FA class. And DFS at ntMLE isn't an immoveable contract by any means. I'd venture they probably could get expirings for him at the deadline if they wanted/needed more cap space.

it's not like Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio have players taking less money to play there because they won't get income taxed. There's more to the equation. I'd venture a guess that playing with Luka is probably higher on his list than income tax.

The Lakers also looked like an uncompetitive mess in the PO also...
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Post#507 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:03 pm

K_chile22 wrote:I didn't really understand why the bucks are ok with Brook just walking. He started the year show but got it back later and is vastly better than any other options they have at center. Feels like he just became a doc scapegoat as the season went on. If they lose him I expect them to be even worse than I thought they'd be without Dame


Brook was absolutely not good in the playoff series against Indy. Essentially unplayable.
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Post#508 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:23 pm

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Post#509 » by shrink » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:26 pm

Julius Randle’s final day to opt into his $30.9 player option.
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Post#510 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:32 pm

Even LeBron is confused with Pelinka's plan, more signs that the Lakers couldn't get anything going this offseason, LeBron is leaving the door open for a trade.
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Post#511 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:33 pm

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Man, such a nice retirement letter, salute Bojan Bogdanovitch, enjoy your time off...
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Post#512 » by K_chile22 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:39 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:I didn't really understand why the bucks are ok with Brook just walking. He started the year show but got it back later and is vastly better than any other options they have at center. Feels like he just became a doc scapegoat as the season went on. If they lose him I expect them to be even worse than I thought they'd be without Dame


Brook was absolutely not good in the playoff series against Indy. Essentially unplayable.
Very bad matchup for him for sure... Who are they getting that is playable vs them and nearly as good against 80% of other teams?
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Post#514 » by oldncreaky » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:41 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:I'm expecting a direction, using TPMLE on a semi washed center doesn't qualify as one, if their direction is cap space next summer, then I wouldn't be as certain as you are DFS is getting retained.


I mean, the center market isn't flush on FA or in the trade market either. So while I do think the Lakers would put Knecht and their '31 pick open for business there really isn't anyone of note unless you're a DeAndre Ayton stan. And I think he's probably the worst fit for what the Lakers want/need. Myles Turner is going to cost too much for the Lakers to sign, and Indiana probably is going to re-sign him to a long-term deal. Utah doesn't seem realistic in Kessler's value, and I already question Ainge's willingness to do a deal with the Lakers even if they were willing to include the '31 (or '32) pick unprotected, every pick swap available, Knecht, and unprotect their '27 pick. RW3 is an injury-prone center who given his health issues probably isn't an upgrade over Hayes. Cavs probably aren't going to make Allen available short of a massive wing upgrade and a decent big in return. Hawks don't seem interested in giving up Okongwu. Jonas V seems like a solid win-now center, but I don't see Kings interested in dealing with the Lakers. That effectively leaves BroLo, Capela, and Claxton as the only real centers of note that the Lakers could realistically can acquire.

As for DFS, right now the only team that can offer him more than the ntMLE is Brooklyn and they seem unlikely at best to make that kind of offer. Unless DFS is tripping over himself to get to Texas (and nothing I can see would suggest he is), the Lakers' offer comes in around the ntMLE it seems likely he re-signs. It's been well-documented that he and Luka are very close, so I'd anticipate if the money is close he will be back. I think something like 3 years, $42M is the kind of deal he's looking at.


Don't forget about DET

We are looking for a PF, have room/money, and could lose out on our first choice FAs (Aldama, Yabusele). While DFS wouldn't be my first choice, in this limited market I'd be OK with him as a stop-gap solution for a couple of years: DFS can still defend and shoot a corner 3, which makes him a great fit around Cade.
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Post#515 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:41 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
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K_chile22 wrote:I didn't really understand why the bucks are ok with Brook just walking. He started the year show but got it back later and is vastly better than any other options they have at center. Feels like he just became a doc scapegoat as the season went on. If they lose him I expect them to be even worse than I thought they'd be without Dame


Brook was absolutely not good in the playoff series against Indy. Essentially unplayable.
Very bad matchup for him for sure... Who are they getting that is playable vs them and nearly as good against 80% of other teams?


It’s really possible he’s just a terrible matchup against the Indy’s of the world and would be great everywhere else. I just think we’re going to see more teams work to emulate some of the style of the Pacers and he’s going to keep getting worse and worse.
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Post#516 » by K_chile22 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:48 pm

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Brook was absolutely not good in the playoff series against Indy. Essentially unplayable.
Very bad matchup for him for sure... Who are they getting that is playable vs them and nearly as good against 80% of other teams?


It’s really possible he’s just a terrible matchup against the Indy’s of the world and would be great everywhere else. I just think we’re going to see more teams work to emulate some of the style of the Pacers and he’s going to keep getting worse and worse.
Well if more teams find tall Steve Nash I could see that happening for sure but it's not that easy to replicate lol
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Post#517 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:58 pm

WOW! What an unfortunate timing for him to have these allegations
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Post#518 » by Karmaloop » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:07 pm

Mavrelous wrote:The Lakers also looked like an uncompetitive mess in the PO also...
You have your speculation and I have mine, we'll see what happens...


They went up against arguably the worst matchup in the Wolves. Not totally surprised that Gobert and Randle played the Lakers off the court. LIS, the Lakers needed size badly and that's why nobody is surprised that the Lakers are focused on that position. For the Lakers, they've got the tpMLE and a bundle of expirings (up to $40M+) plus Knecht and their '31/'32 FRP to dangle. Personally, I see two options. First, the Lakers give into whatever the Nets want for Claxton including the pick protections on the future pick. Secondly, they try and snag someone like Andrew Wiggins from the Heat and then go with someone like Clint Capela as a FA.
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Post#519 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:08 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
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K_chile22 wrote:Very bad matchup for him for sure... Who are they getting that is playable vs them and nearly as good against 80% of other teams?


It’s really possible he’s just a terrible matchup against the Indy’s of the world and would be great everywhere else. I just think we’re going to see more teams work to emulate some of the style of the Pacers and he’s going to keep getting worse and worse.
Well if more teams find tall Steve Nash I could see that happening for sure but it's not that easy to replicate lol


Don’t think you necessarily need Haliburton to just look downcourt off rebounds and push downcourt a little harder than teams have lately. Or to work on conditioning in the offseason and camp.
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Post#520 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:13 pm

Mavrelous wrote:WOW! What an unfortunate timing for him to have these allegations
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Guessing this is why we’ve heard Detroit paired with NAW over the last 24 hours? Could also be a DFS landing spot now. Or, wonder if they clear some space and chase a Myles?

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