Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[Syd-TK3]

Realistically I would like to see the new team healthy and in action first but the best role for RJ should be off the bench, that'll just never happen

[alan_156]

RJ return needs to return you a starting 3D+ a serviceable stretch big. Period. That's our only move

[Scase]

We really got fleeced by the Knicks in that OG trade.. Made the Siakam trade look decent which is bad. Should have just traded OG for 1st rounders rather than some mediocre players.

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion already... We haven't really seen the team play together much, IQ only played 33 games last season and RJ is still only 25. I think people forget how much we were struggling to score as a team prior to the trade, our offense immediately improved because both guys can self-create.

I think you might have forgotten.

2023-24 season

Pre trade 113.7ppg
Post trade 111.5ppg

Pre trade 114 OFFRTG
Post trade 110.4 OFFRTG

[Spida888]

It's good that they're shopping them to see what we can get back but no rush to trade them.
We need tradeable salaries if a star becomes available.
At the minimum wait to see what Giannis decides to do.

[Zeno]

It's good that they're shopping them to see what we can get back but no rush to trade them.
We need tradeable salaries if a star becomes available.
At the minimum wait to see what Giannis decides to do.

The Greek Freak ain’t walking through that door.

[djsunyc]

RJ return needs to return you a starting 3D+ a serviceable stretch big. Period. That's our only move

here are teams with good starting centers in the playoffs

west:
okc - ihart - no legit backup
nuggets - jokic - no legit backup
wolves - gobert - backup by committee?
rockets - sengun - no legit backup
cavs - allen - no legit backup
heat - bam - ware
pacers - turner - no legit backup
knicks - kat - mitch
celtics - porzingis - kornet

so when you really look at the list - a backup center is not essential to the post season if you have a good center, and we do. it's possible that the backup center spot is not a highly valued position by teams with good ones so it's not a "must have". i agree we need some capable backup center but i think that's more for regular season to help on wear and tear or to step in if yak gets hurt.

trading rj for a backup center is a downgrade unless there are additional assets coming back.

[HumbleRen]

RJ return needs to return you a starting 3D+ a serviceable stretch big. Period. That's our only move

Impossible lol.

Look at what Sexton just went for. The league is basically telling us the defensive liability shooting guards are essentially worthless as an asset in today’s market

[Raptors Realtor]

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[Walid]

I don't think either of them are going anywhere.

There isn't a single team in the league that could actually use RJ. Pelicans would have been interesting before acquiring Poole. Jazz could use a starting SG but only have Sexton and/or Clarkson to offer. Bulls don't really need him and don't have anything to offer.

Quickley, although easier to fit into most teams, is paid a lot of money, would need to go somewhere he can start and would have to return a starting PG as well to fill the spot he'd be vacating. He'd fit like a glove on the Magic but I don't want Suggs or Issac back. He'd also work on the Kings but we'd have to take back Lavine, DeRozan or Monk and I don't want Murray.

Probably best to just keep them both for now. We won't get back even reasonable value and trading them for worse players is only going to make the team worse so unless we're gonna fire up the tank again this year, probably best to just keep them.

I'd look at moving either Walter, Dick or Agbaji for a back up C and go from there.

Getting rid of RJ Barrett is addition by subtraction.

[Spida888]

It's good that they're shopping them to see what we can get back but no rush to trade them.
We need tradeable salaries if a star becomes available.
At the minimum wait to see what Giannis decides to do.

The Greek Freak ain’t walking through that door.

We also thought the same thing about Kawhi. Not saying there’s a good chance we get him but there’s no rush to trade them for non-star players.

[Vampirate]

YOU wouldn’t do this lol. Raptors don’t value RJ like y’all do.

They don't value someone like Ayton either who is the complete opposite of what they look for in a player.

It’s not about valuing Ayton. It’s about valuing his expiring contract.

If you’re swapping 2 negative assets, would you rather pay $35M for one year or pay $57M over the span of 2 years when you’re already a luxury tax team.

Poeltl will decline his player option at the end of the next season as well. Good luck extending him if RJ is still on the books.

I'm of the belief that the Raptors simply just need to clean house with the roster. Don't make any long term extensions for a while.

RJ should be expiring soon so at the every least don't extend him and try to retain an asset if you're up against the wall. The value in his next contract will just be much worse.

IQ being a shooter should have value.

And yeah, we probably do need to trade Barnes to get some serious assets in for future drafts. Nothing against Barnes here, but I think it's time to turn the page there too. With a team that clearly has a #1 option, what Barnes provides will be much more valuable than to us.

[Rapsfan07]

I don't think either of them are going anywhere.

There isn't a single team in the league that could actually use RJ. Pelicans would have been interesting before acquiring Poole. Jazz could use a starting SG but only have Sexton and/or Clarkson to offer. Bulls don't really need him and don't have anything to offer.

Quickley, although easier to fit into most teams, is paid a lot of money, would need to go somewhere he can start and would have to return a starting PG as well to fill the spot he'd be vacating. He'd fit like a glove on the Magic but I don't want Suggs or Issac back. He'd also work on the Kings but we'd have to take back Lavine, DeRozan or Monk and I don't want Murray.

Probably best to just keep them both for now. We won't get back even reasonable value and trading them for worse players is only going to make the team worse so unless we're gonna fire up the tank again this year, probably best to just keep them.

I'd look at moving either Walter, Dick or Agbaji for a back up C and go from there.

Getting rid of RJ Barrett is addition by subtraction.

No it isn't. It matters very much what you get back in return.

I'm not willing to move him for useless expirings and middling picks.

If you get a deal that sets you up with quality picks or players for the future then sure but I'm not gonna move him for a bag of chips....at least not yet anyway.

[WuTang_CMB]

I don't think either of them are going anywhere.

There isn't a single team in the league that could actually use RJ. Pelicans would have been interesting before acquiring Poole. Jazz could use a starting SG but only have Sexton and/or Clarkson to offer. Bulls don't really need him and don't have anything to offer.

Quickley, although easier to fit into most teams, is paid a lot of money, would need to go somewhere he can start and would have to return a starting PG as well to fill the spot he'd be vacating. He'd fit like a glove on the Magic but I don't want Suggs or Issac back. He'd also work on the Kings but we'd have to take back Lavine, DeRozan or Monk and I don't want Murray.

Probably best to just keep them both for now. We won't get back even reasonable value and trading them for worse players is only going to make the team worse so unless we're gonna fire up the tank again this year, probably best to just keep them.

I'd look at moving either Walter, Dick or Agbaji for a back up C and go from there.

Getting rid of RJ Barrett is addition by subtraction.

No it isn't. It matters very much what you get back in return.

I'm not willing to move him for useless expirings and middling picks.

His numbers r going to go down next season because of BI and the young kids getting more minutes off the bench. His value won't get any higher.

[HumbleRen]

They don't value someone like Ayton either who is the complete opposite of what they look for in a player.

It’s not about valuing Ayton. It’s about valuing his expiring contract.

If you’re swapping 2 negative assets, would you rather pay $35M for one year or pay $57M over the span of 2 years when you’re already a luxury tax team.

Poeltl will decline his player option at the end of the next season as well. Good luck extending him if RJ is still on the books.

I'm of the belief that the Raptors simply just need to clean house with the roster. Don't make any long term extensions for a while.

RJ should be expiring soon so at the every least don't extend him and try to retain an asset if you're up against the wall. The value in his next contract will just be much worse.

IQ being a shooter should have value.

And yeah, we probably do need to trade Barnes to get some serious assets in for future drafts. Nothing against Barnes here, but I think it's time to turn the page there too. With a team that clearly has a #1 option, what Barnes provides will be much more valuable than to us.

I think the time to clean the house was during that 2022-2023 season. It’s too late for that now, we will be building from the middle but the FO can’t be passive if they plan to build from the middle, they need to opportunistic.

The first thing the FO needs to do is get rid of low impact high volume players like RJ, potentially Gradey Dick if he isn’t a positive player next year. Figure out a way to swap Scottie for another all star caliber prospect if he isn’t able to catch and shoot 3’s next season.

You can’t build from the middle and be passive. It just doesn’t work.

[Vampirate]

It’s not about valuing Ayton. It’s about valuing his expiring contract.

If you’re swapping 2 negative assets, would you rather pay $35M for one year or pay $57M over the span of 2 years when you’re already a luxury tax team.

Poeltl will decline his player option at the end of the next season as well. Good luck extending him if RJ is still on the books.

I'm of the belief that the Raptors simply just need to clean house with the roster. Don't make any long term extensions for a while.

RJ should be expiring soon so at the every least don't extend him and try to retain an asset if you're up against the wall. The value in his next contract will just be much worse.

IQ being a shooter should have value.

And yeah, we probably do need to trade Barnes to get some serious assets in for future drafts. Nothing against Barnes here, but I think it's time to turn the page there too. With a team that clearly has a #1 option, what Barnes provides will be much more valuable than to us.

I think the time to clean the house was during that 2022-2023 season. It’s too late for that now, we will be building from the middle but the FO can’t be passive if they plan to build from the middle, they need to opportunistic.

The first thing the FO needs to do is get rid of low impact high volume players like RJ, potentially Gradey Dick if he isn’t a positive player next year. Figure out a way to swap Scottie for another all star caliber prospect if he isn’t able to catch and shoot 3’s next season.

You can’t build from the middle and be passive. It just doesn’t work.

That's not happening so you'll need to pitch Barnes to a team that thinks adding him can take them to the next level that shores up their issues (defence and rebounding, plus some playmaking). Atlanta is an example here.

We ultimately need to accumulate 1st round picks gradually.

[Rapsfan07]

Does this make sense?

To Toronto: Paul George, Walker Kessler
To Jazz: RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl, Gradey Dick
To Philly: Lauri Markkanen

These are the bones. Jazz obviously need more. What would it take to move this deal across the finish line and does it make sense for everyone involved?

[Tor_Raps]

Does this make sense?

To Toronto: Paul George, Walker Kessler
To Jazz: RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl, Gradey Dick
To Philly: Lauri Markkanen

These are the bones. Jazz obviously need more. What would it take to move this deal across the finish line and does it make sense for everyone involved?

I feel like you think this is Paul George from 10 years ago. Hes currently one of the least desired players in the nba due to his contract lol

[Rapsfan07]

Does this make sense?

To Toronto: Paul George, Walker Kessler
To Jazz: RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl, Gradey Dick
To Philly: Lauri Markkanen

These are the bones. Jazz obviously need more. What would it take to move this deal across the finish line and does it make sense for everyone involved?

I feel like you think this is Paul George from 10 years ago. Hes currently one of the least desired players in the nba due to his contract lol

I don't disagree with you at all. But unless we're tearing this thing down, the only way to take a step forward and potentially make us better is a move sort of like this one.

You won't get valuable picks or youth for RJ and Poeltl so if they're to be dealt, you're looking at taking on long term salary at worst or expirings at best.

Something tells me ownership is not going to want to continue to slowly build - though for what it worth, that's what I think we should have been doing. Instead, Masai and Co. chose to make some rather impulsive quick fixes that's lead us to where we are now.

[PushDaRock]

It’s not about valuing Ayton. It’s about valuing his expiring contract.

If you’re swapping 2 negative assets, would you rather pay $35M for one year or pay $57M over the span of 2 years when you’re already a luxury tax team.

Poeltl will decline his player option at the end of the next season as well. Good luck extending him if RJ is still on the books.

I'm of the belief that the Raptors simply just need to clean house with the roster. Don't make any long term extensions for a while.

RJ should be expiring soon so at the every least don't extend him and try to retain an asset if you're up against the wall. The value in his next contract will just be much worse.

IQ being a shooter should have value.

And yeah, we probably do need to trade Barnes to get some serious assets in for future drafts. Nothing against Barnes here, but I think it's time to turn the page there too. With a team that clearly has a #1 option, what Barnes provides will be much more valuable than to us.

I think the time to clean the house was during that 2022-2023 season. It’s too late for that now, we will be building from the middle but the FO can’t be passive if they plan to build from the middle, they need to opportunistic.

The first thing the FO needs to do is get rid of low impact high volume players like RJ, potentially Gradey Dick if he isn’t a positive player next year. Figure out a way to swap Scottie for another all star caliber prospect if he isn’t able to catch and shoot 3’s next season.

You can’t build from the middle and be passive. It just doesn’t work.

lol so essentially the entire team

[JB7]

I’m beginning to think RJ and IQ’s names being in trade rumours is primarily to move their contracts from Rogers perspective (so probably only interested in expiring deals coming back), and to free these guys from the hell this team is about to endure. These guys are the first to bail and get the hell out of what is probably going to be a future of futility.

Next will be Yak or Ingram, once they can opt out of their deals.