NBA has a dumb G.M. problem

[Jon1798]

Going to be real interesting when games start and everyone all of a sudden remembers how good the Pels roster is. A team that lost their top 8 players last year essentially. Still only good enough for the 7th pick this year.

Maybe. But they still should have protected the pick.

I can’t argue there. Even just a top 1 protection, I find it hard to believe the Hawks would say no if pushed.

But as a Pels fan, it’s a little nice knowing we have no reason to tank and will try to win every single game for once. I think they sign a center tomorrow, and probably sit around that 6-8 seed in the west when all is said and done.

[Chuck Everett]

Going to be real interesting when games start and everyone all of a sudden remembers how good the Pels roster is. A team that lost their top 8 players last year essentially. Still only good enough for the 7th pick this year.

7th pick but they had the 4th worst record in the league. You have your squad in the playoffs without Dejounte Murray playing any games?

[Slimjimzv]

Going to be real interesting when games start and everyone all of a sudden remembers how good the Pels roster is. A team that lost their top 8 players last year essentially. Still only good enough for the 7th pick this year.

Maybe. But they still should have protected the pick.

I can’t argue there. Even just a top 1 protection, I find it hard to believe the Hawks would say no if pushed.

But as a Pels fan, it’s a little nice knowing we have no reason to tank and will try to win every single game for once. I think they sign a center tomorrow, and probably sit around that 6-8 seed in the west when all is said and done.

It will be VERY interested to see what they do with Zion. Keep him and try again, or see if you can get something good on the trade market? Trey Murphy III, and Herb Jones are absolute studs. I'm worried about the Poole and Fears backcourt, but if this team isn't done making moves, they can still scrap together a contender. I just don't like how the current pieces fit.

[Warspite]

Great GMs dont make great trades. They simply are present when an incompetent GM makes a bad trade.

[Tripod]

Going to be real interesting when games start and everyone all of a sudden remembers how good the Pels roster is. A team that lost their top 8 players last year essentially. Still only good enough for the 7th pick this year.

Maybe. But they still should have protected the pick.

I can’t argue there. Even just a top 1 protection, I find it hard to believe the Hawks would say no if pushed.

But as a Pels fan, it’s a little nice knowing we have no reason to tank and will try to win every single game for once. I think they sign a center tomorrow, and probably sit around that 6-8 seed in the west when all is said and done.

The west is tough.

You guys need 15 more wins just to catch 1 team in the standings...and it is the Spurs who tanked and are adding Harper.

So you guys have to add 20+ wins only last year. That's a crazy big jump.

[nolaPELSfan]

The west is tough.

You guys need 15 more wins just to catch 1 team in the standings...and it is the Spurs who tanked and are adding Harper.

So you guys have to add 20+ wins only last year. That's a crazy big jump.

OKC, HOU- make playoffs for sure. MIN, DEN probable. Theres some good teams amongst the rest - SAS, GSW, DAL, LAL, and others - but no guarantees. It is tough for them too.

NOP probably lost 20+ wins from injury last year; to predict for them not to "add wins" from last year is to predict they will all be injured again. Thats not even considering that they have more depth now either in the case that were true, and that the offseason isn't done for a lot of teams.

[Jon1798]

Maybe. But they still should have protected the pick.

I can’t argue there. Even just a top 1 protection, I find it hard to believe the Hawks would say no if pushed.

But as a Pels fan, it’s a little nice knowing we have no reason to tank and will try to win every single game for once. I think they sign a center tomorrow, and probably sit around that 6-8 seed in the west when all is said and done.

The west is tough.

You guys need 15 more wins just to catch 1 team in the standings...and it is the Spurs who tanked and are adding Harper.

So you guys have to add 20+ wins only last year. That's a crazy big jump.

You can take ZERO from last season. No one played. That wasn’t our team. Pels won 49 games the year before. Though this is a very different team from that as well. I think fully healthy there are four or five western teams that are better. But the Kings, Suns, Lakers, Trailblazers etc etc? No, those teams don’t scare me.

[canada_dry]

You forgot about the kings...

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[Silvie Lysandra]

Dumars is next level, I really don't get how he went from putting together a title team to absolute futility.

And he's such a legend as a player that he winds up still getting these opportunities.

Basically, his strategy in Detroit never changed - pay cheapo rates for seemingly undervalued assets. Billups. Ben and Sheed. Hamilton. Hit on a draft pick or two to round it out. It just stopped working.

[The Rainmaker]

You forgot about the kings...

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Grizzlies too.

Kleiman is a bottom of the league executive tbh.

[Blame Rasho]

Great GMs dont make great trades. They simply are present when an incompetent GM makes a bad trade.

I agree with you a lot. Sometimes it also boils down to luck. There could be injuries, could be a player development ability. Some GM grossly overrate or underrate potential which translates to difference how much x player doesnt produce compared to what some people think he can produce in x time line.

[cupcakesnake]

Pelicans

They laughably traded an expiring contract in McCollum for a worse player (though debatable) in Poole who has more years and a bad contract. Then knowing Poole is undersized and a poor defender they choose the even smaller Fears to be his backcourt mate. Then there's the Queen pick itself. He's an atrocious defender too. This team is going to be absolutely terrible on the defensive side of the ball and there's very little chance even if their oft-injured players stay healthy they'll be fighting for a play-in in the brutal Western Conference.

I picture the Pelicans starting Poole/Herb/Trey/Zion/Queen. I only picture Poole starting until Dejounte Murray is healthy. I strongly doubt Fears/Poole minutes are the plan A for the Pelicans.

Not saying I agree with Dumars moves though. Things look rough.

[CP War Hawks]

Pelicans

They laughably traded an expiring contract in McCollum for a worse player (though debatable) in Poole who has more years and a bad contract. Then knowing Poole is undersized and a poor defender they choose the even smaller Fears to be his backcourt mate. Then there's the Queen pick itself. He's an atrocious defender too. This team is going to be absolutely terrible on the defensive side of the ball and there's very little chance even if their oft-injured players stay healthy they'll be fighting for a play-in in the brutal Western Conference.

I picture the Pelicans starting Poole/Herb/Trey/Zion/Queen. I only picture Poole starting until Dejounte Murray is healthy. I strongly doubt Fears/Poole minutes are the plan A for the Pelicans.

Not saying I agree with Dumars moves though. Things look rough.

That roster and rotation is bottom tier with Utah, I mean not quite that far low but the next small tier up. The next group would be Sac, Phx, Por. Pels are probably lagging behind those teams for the next season.

[ItsDanger]

It's quite amazing billionaires buy these teams and then consistently put dumb dumbs in charge.

Not really. Don't assume winning is prioritized the same as fans do.

[Speedlot]

They should get a Real GM. Them fools

[Mirotic12]

Based on how NBA GMs have evaluated players in Europe for many years, the vast majority of them are either extremely stupid, and/or just extremely lazy and incompetent.

Either way, it's never been a good look to people in Europe.

[BigDan245]

Would make the league less interesting if every GM was good...We need morons like Joe Dumars to make fun of.

[thamadkant]

It's quite amazing billionaires buy these teams and then consistently put dumb dumbs in charge.

Most billionnaires aren't very smart.

Says you.

But you're not entirely wrong. A lot of billionaires got there because they are entrepreneurs, their mindset is about creating business and expanding business. Only some of those businessmen or women ever dealt with the 'weeds' of the business they are in (start from scratch doing the small jobs). Most of them inherit business from their parents. But ALL of those billionaires pay experts and SMEs (subject matter experts) under consultancy roles or contracts to provide advise.

Those billionaires that came from technology as inventors, engineers are a different type though. Most of them tend to stick to their vision whether its popular or not. These types are considered geniuses or visionaries.

[dc]

Dumars is next level, I really don't get how he went from putting together a title team to absolute futility.

And he's such a legend as a player that he winds up still getting these opportunities.

He caught lightening in a bottle in Detroit. He got lucky with Grant Hill wanting to leave town and winding up with Big Ben in the S&T in return, which became the back bone of their team.

He signed 25 year old Chauncey for the LLE in one of the biggest bargain contracts in league history. He recognized early on that Rodney White (his lotto pick in 2001) was a bust and traded him quickly for a future 1st rounder, which he flipped for Rasheed. He traded the productive but inefficient Stackhouse for a younger Rip who was a far better fit.

He was somehow able to get guys still in their prime when their values were at their lowest. That's a hard thing to do and he never came close to replicating that.

[MGB8]

Some of the contracts given out just now, with teams freaking out about the 2nd apron, concerns me much more than questionable draft moves.

Even Yang was probably as much a business move (1.2 billion potential fans) as a talent move - understandable.