The Julius Randle Thread

[jpatrick]

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As expected.

If I did my math right, we have appx 8mil for NAW and stay under 2nd Apron. I am assuming we drop and replace Minott, Garza, and Miller with cheaper contracts and not carry 15. That would mean an unbalanced roster. It's about the same deal Jaylin Williams got. Although that 8M may be better spend to get a backup PG.

8m would allow us to sign a PG. one of the Jones brothers? I thought it was less though. I didn’t do the math, but I read we had 55m to sign NAW, Randle, and Naz. Randle and Naz will combine for around 52m. But I haven’t actually added up the salaries.

[Araxen]

Good deal for Randle. Now we just need a PG.

[Dewey]

We need better … there has to be a goal of making a trade. Julius simply does not raise the bar. We cannot keep resigning people that do not move the needle.

McDaniel, Naz, Randle, and then NAW out. This does not raise the bar … these are all mere role players. Can’t let Randle walk so I just hope there is a bigger plan…

[guest81]

This is 20 million more than I expected us to pay him. Even backloaded this means no TPMLE PG and no room to add another PG. This is another example of TC ******g the team over. His defenders will rush to point out how great Randle was last year. That being true doesn’t change the fact that Randle is inconsistent and tends to play better during contract years. He is on the tail end of his prime, and is a defensive liability when paired with Naz. We wasted another season by not adding a PG. Unless of course we trade for one.

Oh sure, it’s probably just the management stubbornly ignoring the perfect plan that exists in everyone’s imagination but somehow never survives contact with reality. After all, building a contender must be as simple as wishing for star players to sign cheap deals, convincing rivals to donate talent, and expecting instant chemistry without any of those annoying real-world constraints like salary caps, egos, or actual negotiations.

Explain this to me in detail please. Randle had a player option for 31 million. He opts out and we refuse to sign and trade, where does he go? The team that acquires him pays him what? Alternatively Randle opts in, then what? His family puts down more roots in Minnesota. Randle plays every game with the threat of a serious injury costing him his entire salary next season. The following season (27/28) Randle plays on a “prove it” worth a fraction of what he could be making. Does Randle extend at a discount under this scenario? Paying him 31 is a total misuse of the leverage TC had. But, the exception is if this overpay was by design to facilitate a different trade. Tax teams need to be smart with trades and money balancing can be tricky. I see a lot of value in a slight over pay as a means of facilitating a different deal. I will give TC A LOT OF CREDIT, if he trades Randle before the deadline, preferably sooner. If not, I will see this as the most recent in a long line of TC failures that undermine the team. Rosas set us up for a golden age, so far TC has gone out of his way to damage it. Time will tell what this is.

If your Randle, you were arguably the best player on the team in the playoffs that went to the WCF. and the team doesn't want to give you a fair deal. You opt in because you have to but your pissed which causes chemistry issues. I think you feel like it should work like a video game where there isn't human beings involved with feelings and emotions

[winforlose]

Oh sure, it’s probably just the management stubbornly ignoring the perfect plan that exists in everyone’s imagination but somehow never survives contact with reality. After all, building a contender must be as simple as wishing for star players to sign cheap deals, convincing rivals to donate talent, and expecting instant chemistry without any of those annoying real-world constraints like salary caps, egos, or actual negotiations.

Explain this to me in detail please. Randle had a player option for 31 million. He opts out and we refuse to sign and trade, where does he go? The team that acquires him pays him what? Alternatively Randle opts in, then what? His family puts down more roots in Minnesota. Randle plays every game with the threat of a serious injury costing him his entire salary next season. The following season (27/28) Randle plays on a “prove it” worth a fraction of what he could be making. Does Randle extend at a discount under this scenario? Paying him 31 is a total misuse of the leverage TC had. But, the exception is if this overpay was by design to facilitate a different trade. Tax teams need to be smart with trades and money balancing can be tricky. I see a lot of value in a slight over pay as a means of facilitating a different deal. I will give TC A LOT OF CREDIT, if he trades Randle before the deadline, preferably sooner. If not, I will see this as the most recent in a long line of TC failures that undermine the team. Rosas set us up for a golden age, so far TC has gone out of his way to damage it. Time will tell what this is.

If your Randle, you were arguably the best player on the team in the playoffs that went to the WCF. and the team doesn't want to give you a fair deal. You opt in because you have to but your pissed which causes chemistry issues. I think you feel like it should work like a video game where there isn't human beings involved with feelings and emotions

This is a good counter argument. Of course it also assumes that guys don’t understand this is a business and the CBA has everyone salary crunched. If you think Randle would make a major fuss over 4 million per year (half of which goes to taxes and agents,) then you obviously don’t think much of him as a person, a teammate, or if his family loves it here, as a father. Of course the counter to this is asking me the price point at which he should object, my answer is closer to 7-8. I think 3 year 90 would have been a high side with leverage but acceptable to avoid hurt feelings. The ideal number is 3/80. 3/100 only makes sense if we are trading him, which I suspect is coming.

P.S. Randle has a history of playing well in contract years, and the reason he was playing so well in the playoffs was his 3 was falling. That inconsistency from deep is what will always limit him. If he cannot repeat that this year you will think 31 is too much under this CBA.

[younggunsmn]

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This is interesting. If the raises are less than 5% he's immediately trade eligible.
If not we would have to wait 6 months.

8% raises 1st year starting value would be 30,864,197 (71k less than his opt in would have been)
5% raises 1st year starting value would be 31,746,032 (882k more than 8% raises)

If we aren't doing anything with that 882k (which would cost us another 2 mil in luxury tax) do we make it 5% raises to preserve the flexibility?

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As expected.

If I did my math right, we have appx 8mil for NAW and stay under 2nd Apron. I am assuming we drop and replace Minott, Garza, and Miller with cheaper contracts and not carry 15. That would mean an unbalanced roster. It's about the same deal Jaylin Williams got. Although that 8M may be better spend to get a backup PG.

Its gonna be about 5 million below the 2nd apron if Julius signs an ascending deal as expected.
Minott's contract is unfortunately fully guaranteed for this season now too so he's sticking around.
We are at 14 guaranteed contracts when Beringer signs his rookie deal so I don't see us signing a single player in free agency.
Only remaining move might be helping out another team with a NAW sign and trade and taking no salary back for a weak 2nd round pick like last year with slo-mo.

[younggunsmn]

3/100 as an 8% ascending:

(Age 31) 30,864,197
(Age 32) 33,333,333
(Age 33) 35,802,469 (player option)

I don't like the player option, but if he stays healthy and playing at a high level that is probably a tradeable contract.
I was afraid he was going to get a 4 year deal,
and this way he can say he didnt take a pay cut.
The player option and the uncertainty it creates diminishes some of the trade value going forward though.

[younggunsmn]

This locks in our entire rotation for the next 2 years if not 3, with Dilly and TJ taking over the 8th and 9th spots.
The upside is that is a good deal of continuity.

I hate the Gobert and Randle pairing and quite honestly it is not a very fun brand of basketball to watch.
But the deals this summer should give us a pretty high floor for the next 2 years.
If healthy and dialed in we should win 50 games.
I don't think TC has done a single thing to raise this team's ceiling over the next 3 years though.
The problems that existed against OKC are only going to be exacerbated and someone is going to have to replace the 3+D we got off the bench.
I have confidence TJ can do that plus give us a good deal more scoring punch.
But we are betting a lot on Rob's ability to be a positive overall contributor out there.

[younggunsmn]

2025-26

KAT 53,142,264
Julius + NAZ 52,415,921

[younggunsmn]

The other thing about having all your big deals locked into 8% raises, is that if we get a year with a small cap bump instead of the max 10%, like last year with 3.36%, we are going to get absolutely bent over by the luxury tax.

With Mike expiring there is a small chance we can dip below the luxury tax next summer without any additional maneuvering if we don't add much more than minimum contracts.

[guest81]

Explain this to me in detail please. Randle had a player option for 31 million. He opts out and we refuse to sign and trade, where does he go? The team that acquires him pays him what? Alternatively Randle opts in, then what? His family puts down more roots in Minnesota. Randle plays every game with the threat of a serious injury costing him his entire salary next season. The following season (27/28) Randle plays on a “prove it” worth a fraction of what he could be making. Does Randle extend at a discount under this scenario? Paying him 31 is a total misuse of the leverage TC had. But, the exception is if this overpay was by design to facilitate a different trade. Tax teams need to be smart with trades and money balancing can be tricky. I see a lot of value in a slight over pay as a means of facilitating a different deal. I will give TC A LOT OF CREDIT, if he trades Randle before the deadline, preferably sooner. If not, I will see this as the most recent in a long line of TC failures that undermine the team. Rosas set us up for a golden age, so far TC has gone out of his way to damage it. Time will tell what this is.

If your Randle, you were arguably the best player on the team in the playoffs that went to the WCF. and the team doesn't want to give you a fair deal. You opt in because you have to but your pissed which causes chemistry issues. I think you feel like it should work like a video game where there isn't human beings involved with feelings and emotions

This is a good counter argument. Of course it also assumes that guys don’t understand this is a business and the CBA has everyone salary crunched. If you think Randle would make a major fuss over 4 million per year (half of which goes to taxes and agents,) then you obviously don’t think much of him as a person, a teammate, or if his family loves it here, as a father. Of course the counter to this is asking me the price point at which he should object, my answer is closer to 7-8. I think 3 year 90 would have been a high side with leverage but acceptable to avoid hurt feelings. The ideal number is 3/80. 3/100 only makes sense if we are trading him, which I suspect is coming.

P.S. Randle has a history of playing well in contract years, and the reason he was playing so well in the playoffs was his 3 was falling. That inconsistency from deep is what will always limit him. If he cannot repeat that this year you will think 31 is too much under this CBA.

Is it worth haggling over 4 million with the potential of ruining the team chemistry? Would you take a pay cut for your job if you were one of the best at it for the sake of the company?

[guest81]

2025-26

KAT 53,142,264
Julius + NAZ 52,415,921

You absolutely want Randle and Naz over just kat

[Domejandro]

2025-26

KAT 53,142,264
Julius + NAZ 52,415,921

Good catch. I will forever maintain that it is incredibly stupid that the 5% bonus on the supermax is counted against the salary-cap, teams shouldn’t be penalized for developing star players.

[MN7725]

We need better … there has to be a goal of making a trade. Julius simply does not raise the bar. We cannot keep resigning people that do not move the needle.

McDaniel, Naz, Randle, and then NAW out. This does not raise the bar … these are all mere role players. Can’t let Randle walk so I just hope there is a bigger plan…

he's an above average starter by any measure

[KGdaBom]

2025-26

KAT 53,142,264
Julius + NAZ 52,415,921

Good catch. I will forever maintain that it is incredibly stupid that the 5% bonus on the supermax is counted against the salary-cap, teams shouldn’t be penalized for developing star players.

Hopefully they make that change. Don't count the supermax against the cap.

[Slim Tubby]

I'm definitely okay with the deal, especially with it only being for three (3) years to align with Rudy's contract.

We've got some good players on very tradable contracts, both monetarily and value wise. With the Salary Cap exploding over the next five years, we should have some flexibility to make moves.

Now, if we could just sit down and have a little chat about our PG situation...

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[Slim Tubby]

2025-26

KAT 53,142,264
Julius + NAZ 52,415,921

Good catch. I will forever maintain that it is incredibly stupid that the 5% bonus on the supermax is counted against the salary-cap, teams shouldn’t be penalized for developing star players.

Agreed...easily my biggest beef. it's ludicrous to punish teams for drafting and developing their players.

The Super Max should be a reward for those players that earn the status of All NBA. That's it.

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[winforlose]

If your Randle, you were arguably the best player on the team in the playoffs that went to the WCF. and the team doesn't want to give you a fair deal. You opt in because you have to but your pissed which causes chemistry issues. I think you feel like it should work like a video game where there isn't human beings involved with feelings and emotions

This is a good counter argument. Of course it also assumes that guys don’t understand this is a business and the CBA has everyone salary crunched. If you think Randle would make a major fuss over 4 million per year (half of which goes to taxes and agents,) then you obviously don’t think much of him as a person, a teammate, or if his family loves it here, as a father. Of course the counter to this is asking me the price point at which he should object, my answer is closer to 7-8. I think 3 year 90 would have been a high side with leverage but acceptable to avoid hurt feelings. The ideal number is 3/80. 3/100 only makes sense if we are trading him, which I suspect is coming.

P.S. Randle has a history of playing well in contract years, and the reason he was playing so well in the playoffs was his 3 was falling. That inconsistency from deep is what will always limit him. If he cannot repeat that this year you will think 31 is too much under this CBA.

Is it worth haggling over 4 million with the potential of ruining the team chemistry? Would you take a pay cut for your job if you were one of the best at it for the sake of the company?

The difference is the salary cap. We could do a lot with that 4 million. Hell, get him a corporate sponsor like Ant and V8 with that tech company a few years back. Again, 4 turns into 2 after taxes and commissions. Also if I got equity I would reduce salary. His version of equity is legacy which increases his post playing days earning power. It is not as simple as raw salary.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Not a bad deal for me for 2 reasons :

Julius is a good player not the best but he is solid. Getting superstar considering our market and financial situation is not easy ( cf KD story)
Julius seems to be a good mentor for ANT as Finch say.

At that stage i will trade DDV or sign and trade NAW and get a PG .