The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[BobbieL]

Ainge is up to something by trading for Nurkic. The Jazz has no need for Nurkic, unless they really need a rebounder and veteran big man.

Lakers would be highly interested in Richards, I would fleece them as much as possible.

Rui for Nurkic perhaps

I don't care who gets Richards just as long as its at least 2 FRPs and no cash coming back

Cmon now, its up to 2 FRPs now? It was just one a couple pages ago and even that was outlandish lol you guys need to chill

My bad -- oops
2 Second round picks I meant --- I think that is even a stretch
truly - second round picks

[Sunsdeuce]

Rui for Nurkic perhaps

I don't care who gets Richards just as long as its at least 2 FRPs and no cash coming back

Cmon now, its up to 2 FRPs now? It was just one a couple pages ago and even that was outlandish lol you guys need to chill

My bad -- oops
2 Second round picks I meant --- I think that is even a stretch
truly - second round picks

Nah stick with 2 first, lol!

[bullsaficianado]

Sending Beal home is just nonsense. He’s just 32 years old still in the 27-32 prime years. Sorry but you don’t just “send All-stars home” just because their contract is inconvenient. When Beal gets minutes and gets his fair share of shots, he can still easily put up 20 PPG. You don’t just send that home. Just pure nonsense

IMO the franchise is pissed at Beal for costing them Durant but it's their own fault for trading for him. They knew he had a NTC and should have demanded he waived it before finalizing the trade.

[starbosa10]

Sending Beal home is just nonsense. He’s just 32 years old still in the 27-32 prime years. Sorry but you don’t just “send All-stars home” just because their contract is inconvenient. When Beal gets minutes and gets his fair share of shots, he can still easily put up 20 PPG. You don’t just send that home. Just pure nonsense

Yup at worst play him off the bench until he agrees to a trade or his contract expires.

[Mr Puddles]

I hope Dunn's been working on his 3s. I'd love to see Dunn/Fleming/Maluach play some defense together.

Get your chance this summer league!

Unfortunately summer league is mostly a chuck fest. Typically not the best stage for defensive minded players to show off their skills.

I'm not looking forward to the overreacting that will undoubtedly appear on this board when our guys look "lost".

[TeamTragic]

We just got back a decent haul for KD and had an amazing draft yet we have clowns bitching about Nurkic.

Please find another team if this one is not to your liking. There has been enough negativity for multiple seasons.

[lilfishi22]

I’d dump Oso in a heartbeat. Dude has no skill set. Nothing. hes a G-leaguer at best. All he has is hustle. Those type of players are a dime a dozen in the developmental league. He was a hustle player on a bad suns team that got people excited because he actually tried unlike our two main stars. .

If the Suns can get a FRP pick for Richards and maybe another pick or two from Oso and lastly, maybe a couple seconds and a TPE for O'Neale -- I wonder if the picks would be enticing to Riley at that point. I just don't think he will trade Rozier and Robinson without some decent draft picks going to Miami.

Suns can't use the TPE to add to the trade -but not taking on salary for O'neale would be the prize.

I don't think Richards or Oso are THAT valuable.

Like I said I think we can get a superlow FRP for Oso ( like our 2029 FRP that we traded for Mark W) but not more than that.

Richards...he isn't that good. Decent backup C at best. Yeah, a couple of 2nds is attainable for him, I can't imagine getting more than that.

Regarding Pat Riley and Beal I think that Pat Riley probably is OK trading for him because he is an upgrade over Rozier and Duncan Robinson as a player.

For us is different because we are trying to build something new around Book and Beal out of the roster would be an addition by subtraction.

I think Richards probably get you a couple of seconds at most, similar to what we got him for. I don't think Oso has value. Not a bad player but just hasn't shown enough to be worth real assets imo. Maybe a team would give him a go for a crap 2nd but yeah not sure he's worth much.

[lilfishi22]

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Oh please. Give me a break. Rich Paul thinks too highly of himself. He had no control of where he went.

During the draft, NBA agents have almost no control. Unless you are the concenus #1 pick in the draft, you have no control where your player goes. Just ask Ace Bailey. You go where you are drafted. Rich Paul thinks he’s more than he is now that he has all that money he got riding the coat tails of LeBron. Rich Paul sure didn’t get all that money on his own and work his way up to the top on his own. Sometimes it’s who you know, not what you know and Rich is the prime example.

I've watched this a few times and I still don't understand what the conversation is about. The agent, who we probably know manages a certain prospect in this year's draft, is calling to ask if we like Maluach so he's going to what? Tell teams before #10 not to draft him? Is that what's going on?

[lilfishi22]

Only news I'm looking for today/early tomorrow is the decision on Martin. His option becomes guaranteed the 30th. Is it declined outright or picked up because they found a deal?

I want to see what contract extension Mark Williams will receive.

What are the chances we don't extend him and let him play himself into restricted FA ? That's what I would do

[King4Day]

If the Suns can get a FRP pick for Richards and maybe another pick or two from Oso and lastly, maybe a couple seconds and a TPE for O'Neale -- I wonder if the picks would be enticing to Riley at that point. I just don't think he will trade Rozier and Robinson without some decent draft picks going to Miami.

Suns can't use the TPE to add to the trade -but not taking on salary for O'neale would be the prize.

I don't think Richards or Oso are THAT valuable.

Like I said I think we can get a superlow FRP for Oso ( like our 2029 FRP that we traded for Mark W) but not more than that.

Richards...he isn't that good. Decent backup C at best. Yeah, a couple of 2nds is attainable for him, I can't imagine getting more than that.

Regarding Pat Riley and Beal I think that Pat Riley probably is OK trading for him because he is an upgrade over Rozier and Duncan Robinson as a player.

For us is different because we are trying to build something new around Book and Beal out of the roster would be an addition by subtraction.

I think Richards probably get you a couple of seconds at most, similar to what we got him for. I don't think Oso has value. Not a bad player but just hasn't shown enough to be worth real assets imo. Maybe a team would give him a go for a crap 2nd but yeah not sure he's worth much.

Agreed. Richards is absolutely worth a couple of 2nds. A serviceable backup big on a great contract has value.
And I agree Oso has little value. I'd give him this year to see if he's made any/enough of an improvement to keep developing him.

[King4Day]

Only news I'm looking for today/early tomorrow is the decision on Martin. His option becomes guaranteed the 30th. Is it declined outright or picked up because they found a deal?

I want to see what contract extension Mark Williams will receive.

What are the chances we don't extend him and let him play himself into restricted FA ? That's what I would do

I would see us giving him about 4 years 60 mil. If he won't take that, I think the most I may do it 17-19mil per for 3 years.

[lilfishi22]

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Hm, Shams also said Detroit paused contract negotiations. Perhaps they become a potential Allen suitor with a need for spot up shooting.

Crazy. He was like their 2nd best player after Ivey went down and by far and away their best 3PT shooter (almost 42% on 9+ attempts a game). Dude was up for a healthy new contract, probably his last big one and he fumbles it like this?

[Frank Lee]

Every minute Beal plays is a wasted minute. His value will not/never go up and chances of injury are 50/50. On a team of 6 SGs, one or two aren’t going to get much play

[BobbieL]

Sending Beal home is just nonsense. He’s just 32 years old still in the 27-32 prime years. Sorry but you don’t just “send All-stars home” just because their contract is inconvenient. When Beal gets minutes and gets his fair share of shots, he can still easily put up 20 PPG. You don’t just send that home. Just pure nonsense

IMO the franchise is pissed at Beal for costing them Durant but it's their own fault for trading for him. They knew he had a NTC and should have demanded he waived it before finalizing the trade.

Agreed.
I don't get the hate from the fans for Beal.
Ishbia was the idiot who traded for him and kept the NTC
Ishbia was the idiot who didn't understand the CBA when trading for him

And its like fans want him to get bought to out to sign some average player making 14m with the MLE so they can get a dopamine shot of hope but doesn't change the win total by more than 1 at most 2 games.

Keep him - don't start him - let him ball out. He might become more attractive in a year. Or you just waive him in a year and be done with it.

[BobbieL]

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Hm, Shams also said Detroit paused contract negotiations. Perhaps they become a potential Allen suitor with a need for spot up shooting.

Crazy. He was like their 2nd best player after Ivey went down and by far and away their best 3PT shooter (almost 42% on 9+ attempts a game). Dude was up for a healthy new contract, probably his last big one and he fumbles it like this?

It was brought up earlier but Grayson Allen might make sense in Detroit - very similar to the expected number Beasley was going to get - $15m

[lilfishi22]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/mdh4gzgefQ

If the choice is Tyus Jones or CP3 - -I don't think it’s that tough of a choice -- if truly the decision is the Suns. But CP3 has some say in this as well

If CP is Ok with playing very limited minutes, I’m ok. I cannot forget how bad he slowed down the offense his last year here. Let’s not forget Ott wants to play fast, CP is the opposite, he wants slowed down, half court offense. I mean that would be fine if we had a go to power forward or go to center with low post skills/back to the basket skills but we don’t.

Expecting CP to play 35+ minutes a game with positive results isn’t realistic with how young we have become. He’s 40. Life doesn’t speed up at 40.

He won't play 35mpg. He hasn't played close to those minutes since his Clipper days. Last season he played 28mpg and if I can be frank, our young guys could really learn A LOT from him and benefit for getting set up by him, in particular our #10 overall pick

I'm all for bringing him back

[Sunsdeuce]

Sending Beal home is just nonsense. He’s just 32 years old still in the 27-32 prime years. Sorry but you don’t just “send All-stars home” just because their contract is inconvenient. When Beal gets minutes and gets his fair share of shots, he can still easily put up 20 PPG. You don’t just send that home. Just pure nonsense

IMO the franchise is pissed at Beal for costing them Durant but it's their own fault for trading for him. They knew he had a NTC and should have demanded he waived it before finalizing the trade.

Agreed.
I don't get the hate from the fans for Beal.
Ishbia was the idiot who traded for him and kept the NTC
Ishbia was the idiot who didn't understand the CBA when trading for him

And its like fans want him to get bought to out to sign some average player making 14m with the MLE so they can get a dopamine shot of hope but doesn't change the win total by more than 1 at most 2 games.

Keep him - don't start him - let him ball out. He might become more attractive in a year. Or you just waive him in a year and be done with it.

Literally Beal did and acted like a complete professional. He knew his stats were going to nosedive coming to Phx. He knew from the start he was going to be a third wheel. KD was going to get the bulk followed by Booker.

Beal did everything he was asked of and not once complained. Is a model citizen. A modal player who sacrificed his own glory for the team. Yet he gets heat from fans. I guess fans just want whiners and complainers that point fingers at the NBA when they don’t get selected to the All-Star game that they don’t deserve to be in. Crap is wild around these fans.

Come to Phx, act like a professional, be a family man, sacrifice stats for the good of the team….they said. Yeah right. All it gets you is hate now.

[lilfishi22]

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I'm sorry, but it'd be really dumb to just send Beal home to sit when we need to not only have his production (off the bench preferrably)! But also have him play to showcase himself for prospective teams in trade.

His contract and salary are what they are, and having him sit at home helps nothing, and doesn't help to recoup value perception from his in game production if he's not playing at all.

Sometimes I wonder if Windbag really thinks he's trying to help or he's some Dan Gilbert (Cleveland) operative just trying to make the situation worse for Ishbia and the suns to capitulate to Gilbert himself in their (Gilbert and Ishbias') pissing contest??

I’ve been saying this for months. Someone just needs to have the balls to sit him. A.) he doesn’t hurt himself B.) he knows he’s at the twighlight of his peak, ain’t no one wanting to watch their career go down the drain from the sidelines. I’m sure this would help persuade him to waive his NTC. And if he doesn’t? Oh well. We were on the hook for his contract anyways.

Beal has never been approached about a trade

Windbag is wrong in this case

I would ask Windbag - name five teams that would trade for Beal?

Beal's a good guy, I just don't understand how we got to the point where he wouldn't come off the bench considering he's already come off the bench for us last season. And further to that, how did we get the point where the rhetoric the front office end is so toxic towards him. And lastly, given all that, why is Beal so insistent on staying with a franchise whose front office seems to toxic towards him. Like if it was me, I'm outta here

[starbosa10]

I’ve been saying this for months. Someone just needs to have the balls to sit him. A.) he doesn’t hurt himself B.) he knows he’s at the twighlight of his peak, ain’t no one wanting to watch their career go down the drain from the sidelines. I’m sure this would help persuade him to waive his NTC. And if he doesn’t? Oh well. We were on the hook for his contract anyways.

Beal has never been approached about a trade

Windbag is wrong in this case

I would ask Windbag - name five teams that would trade for Beal?

Beal's a good guy, I just don't understand how we got to the point where he wouldn't come off the bench considering he's already come off the bench for us last season. And further to that, how did we get the point where the rhetoric our the front office end is so toxic towards him. And lastly, given all that, why is Beal so insistent on staying with a franchise whose front office seems to toxic towards him. Like if it was me, I'm outta here

Think the front office bit is they don't want to be in the 2nd apron again and probably feel pushing Beal out is the easiest way out.

In regards to why Beal wants to stay here, I think its been pretty documented by now that he doesn't really want to move his family again

[dremill24]

Only news I'm looking for today/early tomorrow is the decision on Martin. His option becomes guaranteed the 30th. Is it declined outright or picked up because they found a deal?

I want to see what contract extension Mark Williams will receive.

What are the chances we don't extend him and let him play himself into restricted FA ? That's what I would do

No chance this guy gets an extension if its me. Show me you can get through a season healthy then play it out in RFA