Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[RichCollab]

Bring us Shamgod!

[VFX]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

[RookieStar]

Are 1yr deals still a thing?

Like sign Moe that then with a wink2x for next year when he is fully healthy

[yoyojw17]

My official prediction...

Sign Tyus Jones to a 2-year, 11.6M deal.

Resign Moritz Wagner to a 2 year deal for less AAV than the $11M he was going to make.

Resign Caleb Houstan to a 2 year deal for slightly more AAV than the $2.2M he was going to make.

G: Suggs, Jones, Richardson
G: Bane, Black, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan/TDS (whichever order you prefer)
F: Banchero, Isaac, Penda
C: Carter, Bitadze, M. Wagner

I like this offseason! #approved

Add Shammgod or someone else that can help with the offense ..... And I'm a happy a$$ camper. And the only problem would be that we are months away from the season start. Lol

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[AdamTheGreek]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

Let it play out.

Let’s see if we do one or two trades to open up funds and/or bring in different talent.
If not, then you’re looking at a Tyus Jones type of contract.

I expect Mo to be re-signed. I expect Caleb to be re-signed. But they’ll come last due to order of operations.

This could all be done this week. This could take a few weeks. We’ll see.

[SOUL]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

Every 2nd rounder is a mystery box and moving forward to cheaply add to the roster, 2nd rounders will be important. Also, all of these things you're wanting can still easily happen. Moe just isn't being treated as the #1 centerpiece of this offseason.

[Knightro]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

I mean no disrespect by this, but this is just the absolute wrong way of looking at the draft. Especially where the Magic were selecting.

First round picks are cost controlled for five years. There’s probably only three guys on the roster who will be here in five years.

You just can’t draft based on short-term need. You draft the player that you think will be the best player.

At the tippy top of the draft when you’ve already made other high lottery picks and your next high lotto pick can’t share the floor with the guy you already have? OK that’s a little bit more justifiable.

[VFX]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

Every 2nd rounder is a mystery box and moving forward to cheaply add to the roster, 2nd rounders will be important. Also, all of these things you're wanting can still easily happen. Moe just isn't being treated as the #1 centerpiece of this offseason.

Right but that’s my point.

Goga isn’t replaceable now because Moe is injured, where he was IF they drafted a Center in the second round to fill in for him.

Sure, all second round picks are “mystery box”. My point is that Penda isn’t going to get minutes over a mystery box that will.

The other side of this is that Orlando should not be paying what they are currently for three Centers regardless of the situation.

[BadMofoPimp]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

Every 2nd rounder is a mystery box and moving forward to cheaply add to the roster, 2nd rounders will be important. Also, all of these things you're wanting can still easily happen. Moe just isn't being treated as the #1 centerpiece of this offseason.

Right but that’s my point.

Goga isn’t replaceable now because Moe is injured, where he was IF they drafted a Center in the second round to fill in for him.

Sure, all second round picks are “mystery box”. My point is that Penda isn’t going to get minutes over a mystery box that will.

The other side of this is that Orlando should not be paying what they are currently for three Centers regardless of the situation.

Let Moe or WCJ spot 5-10mpg at PF, problem solved!

[VFX]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

I mean no disrespect by this, but this is just the absolute wrong way of looking at the draft. Especially where the Magic were selecting.

First round picks are cost controlled for five years. There’s probably only three guys on the roster who will be here in five years.

You just can’t draft based on short-term need. You draft the player that you think will be the best player.

At the tippy top of the draft when you’ve already made other high lottery picks and your next high lotto pick can’t share the floor with the guy you already have? OK that’s a little bit more justifiable.

We are talking about a second round where it’s highly hit or miss. I’m not talking about the first round.

Is drafting Penda more important than keeping Moe Wagner to a team that has aspirations higher than a first round exit or paying three Centers on the longer term? The answer is no.

[MasterGMer]

Letting Moe go will be a mistake. But I think FO declining Moe and Caleb means they have a plan in mind

[Knightro]

I gotta say…

I’m going to be pissed if Moe is let go for good. The offense on the bench is highly suspect.

Weltman could have easily drafted a rookie Center like Kalkbrenner and traded Goga + Jett to get off enough money in order to pay Moe Wagner.

But no, instead he drafted a mystery box in Penda that I’m skeptical will even play this season. Why? We are drafting guys to fill in minutes theoretically off the bench behind two max players?

How is that more important than keeping your best option on offense off the bench? I’m even a fan of Goga, but not at the expense of a guy that was almost a 6MotY this season prior to injury.

I mean no disrespect by this, but this is just the absolute wrong way of looking at the draft. Especially where the Magic were selecting.

First round picks are cost controlled for five years. There’s probably only three guys on the roster who will be here in five years.

You just can’t draft based on short-term need. You draft the player that you think will be the best player.

At the tippy top of the draft when you’ve already made other high lottery picks and your next high lotto pick can’t share the floor with the guy you already have? OK that’s a little bit more justifiable.

We are talking about a second round where it’s highly hit or miss. I’m not talking about the first round.

Is drafting Penda more important than keeping Moe Wagner to a team that has aspirations higher than a first round exit or paying three Centers on the longer term? The answer is no.

If they think Penda is going to be a really good player than the answer is very obviously actually yes.

[Knightro]

Moe blew his knee. A really unfortunate thing, but we have no idea if he’s gonna be the same player he was before the injury.

Everybody wants to believe that he’s gonna be good again, but people who are 6’11” or taller and suffer severe leg injuries sometimes they’re never the same.

Do I wanna get rid of him? No. But if they do get rid of him, I have faith that it’s because they don’t believe he’s going to be the same player he was.

[VFX]

I mean no disrespect by this, but this is just the absolute wrong way of looking at the draft. Especially where the Magic were selecting.

First round picks are cost controlled for five years. There’s probably only three guys on the roster who will be here in five years.

You just can’t draft based on short-term need. You draft the player that you think will be the best player.

At the tippy top of the draft when you’ve already made other high lottery picks and your next high lotto pick can’t share the floor with the guy you already have? OK that’s a little bit more justifiable.

We are talking about a second round where it’s highly hit or miss. I’m not talking about the first round.

Is drafting Penda more important than keeping Moe Wagner to a team that has aspirations higher than a first round exit or paying three Centers on the longer term? The answer is no.

If they think Penda is going to be a really good player than the answer is very obviously actually yes.

This is only true if you think Penda is a 6th man in the second unit. We don’t have that information.

You “think” he might be. But that’s wishful thinking. Moe is a known commodity necessity right now due to the lack of skillsets.

[Knightro]

This is only true if you think Penda is a 6th man in the second unit. We don’t have that information.

You “think” he might be. But that’s wishful thinking. Moe is a known commodity necessity right now due to the lack of skillsets.

Moe is coming off a severe injury and we have no idea where he's at physically.

You "think" he might be the exact player he once was, but that could be wishful thinking too.

Jonathan Isaac blew his knee out and was basically never the same, ya know?

[RookieStar]

Any guess the big impact if Beasleys gambling scandal?

This means DET can throw a bigger bag at NAW?

[BadMofoPimp]

Any guess the big impact if Beasleys gambling scandal?

This means DET can throw a bigger bag at NAW?

Then, Magic get Bease on the cheap.

[Knightro]

If the Magic drafted Raynaud or Kalkbrenner at 32, then they would have been *forced* to move on from one of their existing centers. It wouldn't have been an option.

People say that's ok because they could have better balanced their roster via trade, presumably with Goga, but maybe Goga has less trade value than we think?

Does drafting a third string center in round 2 and flipping Goga for someone like Knecht really make the Magic much better anyway?

[Knightro]

Any guess the big impact if Beasleys gambling scandal?

This means DET can throw a bigger bag at NAW?

Then, Magic get Bease on the cheap.

Beasley's more likely to get banned from the NBA for life than he is to get signed by anybody at this point.

*with the caveat that we've haven't officially seen the allegations, but the investigation wouldn't get announced publicly unless they had something rather concrete.

[Skybox]

Moe blew his knee. A really unfortunate thing, but we have no idea if he’s gonna be the same player he was before the injury.

Everybody wants to believe that he’s gonna be good again, but people who are 6’11” or taller and suffer severe leg injuries sometimes they’re never the same.

Do I wanna get rid of him? No. But if they do get rid of him, I have faith that it’s because they don’t believe he’s going to be the same player he was.

Or, perhaps he has a delusional idea about a big raise when his lack of defense won’t vault him into solid backup role & make $8m Goga expendable…hope not.