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TeamTragic wrote:We just got back a decent haul for KD and had an amazing draft yet we have clowns bitching about Nurkic.
Please find another team if this one is not to your liking. There has been enough negativity for multiple seasons.
lilfishi22 wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:BobbieL wrote:
If the choice is Tyus Jones or CP3 - -I don't think it’s that tough of a choice -- if truly the decision is the Suns. But CP3 has some say in this as well
If CP is Ok with playing very limited minutes, I’m ok. I cannot forget how bad he slowed down the offense his last year here. Let’s not forget Ott wants to play fast, CP is the opposite, he wants slowed down, half court offense. I mean that would be fine if we had a go to power forward or go to center with low post skills/back to the basket skills but we don’t.
Expecting CP to play 35+ minutes a game with positive results isn’t realistic with how young we have become. He’s 40. Life doesn’t speed up at 40.
He won't play 35mpg. He hasn't played close to those minutes since his Clipper days. Last season he played 28mpg and if I can be frank, our young guys could really learn A LOT from him and benefit for getting set up by him, in particular our #10 overall pick
I'm all for bringing him back
lilfishi22 wrote:BobbieL wrote:sunsbum wrote: I’ve been saying this for months. Someone just needs to have the balls to sit him. A.) he doesn’t hurt himself B.) he knows he’s at the twighlight of his peak, ain’t no one wanting to watch their career go down the drain from the sidelines. I’m sure this would help persuade him to waive his NTC. And if he doesn’t? Oh well. We were on the hook for his contract anyways.
Beal has never been approached about a trade
Windbag is wrong in this case
I would ask Windbag - name five teams that would trade for Beal?
Beal's a good guy, I just don't understand how we got to the point where he wouldn't come off the bench considering he's already come off the bench for us last season. And further to that, how did we get the point where the rhetoric our the front office end is so toxic towards him. And lastly, given all that, why is Beal so insistent on staying with a franchise whose front office seems to toxic towards him. Like if it was me, I'm outta here
TeamTragic wrote:We just got back a decent haul for KD and had an amazing draft yet we have clowns bitching about Nurkic.
Please find another team if this one is not to your liking. There has been enough negativity for multiple seasons.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm sorry, but it'd be really dumb to just send Beal home to sit when we need to not only have his production (off the bench preferrably)! But also have him play to showcase himself for prospective teams in trade.
His contract and salary are what they are, and having him sit at home helps nothing, and doesn't help to recoup value perception from his in game production if he's not playing at all.
Sometimes I wonder if Windbag really thinks he's trying to help or he's some Dan Gilbert (Cleveland) operative just trying to make the situation worse for Ishbia and the suns to capitulate to Gilbert himself in their (Gilbert and Ishbias') pissing contest??
lilfishi22 wrote:BobbieL wrote:sunsbum wrote: I’ve been saying this for months. Someone just needs to have the balls to sit him. A.) he doesn’t hurt himself B.) he knows he’s at the twighlight of his peak, ain’t no one wanting to watch their career go down the drain from the sidelines. I’m sure this would help persuade him to waive his NTC. And if he doesn’t? Oh well. We were on the hook for his contract anyways.
Beal has never been approached about a trade
Windbag is wrong in this case
I would ask Windbag - name five teams that would trade for Beal?
Beal's a good guy, I just don't understand how we got to the point where he wouldn't come off the bench considering he's already come off the bench for us last season. And further to that, how did we get the point where the rhetoric the front office end is so toxic towards him. And lastly, given all that, why is Beal so insistent on staying with a franchise whose front office seems to toxic towards him. Like if it was me, I'm outta here
Houston Rockets forward Jabari Smith Jr. intends to sign a five-year, $122 million rookie contract extension, sources tell ESPN. Rockets officials and Smith's agent, Wallace Prather of LIFT Sports Management, negotiated the fully guaranteed deal through 2030-31 season.
bwgood77 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:BobbieL wrote:
Beal has never been approached about a trade
Windbag is wrong in this case
I would ask Windbag - name five teams that would trade for Beal?
Beal's a good guy, I just don't understand how we got to the point where he wouldn't come off the bench considering he's already come off the bench for us last season. And further to that, how did we get the point where the rhetoric the front office end is so toxic towards him. And lastly, given all that, why is Beal so insistent on staying with a franchise whose front office seems to toxic towards him. Like if it was me, I'm outta here
How has the front office been toxic towards him?
starbosa10 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:BobbieL wrote:
Beal has never been approached about a trade
Windbag is wrong in this case
I would ask Windbag - name five teams that would trade for Beal?
Beal's a good guy, I just don't understand how we got to the point where he wouldn't come off the bench considering he's already come off the bench for us last season. And further to that, how did we get the point where the rhetoric our the front office end is so toxic towards him. And lastly, given all that, why is Beal so insistent on staying with a franchise whose front office seems to toxic towards him. Like if it was me, I'm outta here
Think the front office bit is they don't want to be in the 2nd apron again and probably feel pushing Beal out is the easiest way out.
In regards to why Beal wants to stay here, I think its been pretty documented by now that he doesn't really want to move his family again
sunsfan1o1 wrote:thamadkant wrote:sunsfan1o1 wrote:
Suns won the rockets trade. They won the Mark
Williams trade. They haven’t lost anything yet.
Sexton was leaving Utah. No one wants to play there. Jazz got a 2nd out of the inevitable
Mark Williams is TBD. There is a reason he fetched what he fetched. 15/10 23 year old big men dont go for very late 1st rounders. And considering Suns just got a very good steal with Fleming, first round picks late or not CAN be very valuable if someone with so much potential slips, or 21+ year olds who tend to be good role player when they get to the NBA.
The Rockets trade is looking better, but again, KD is a 27/6/4 super efficient scorer who is above average to good defensively still.... so Suns lost a legit top 10 player 36 year old or not.
Jalen Green has to continue to improve and improve his shot selection and Maluach needs to also prove he isnt Thabeet version 2.
KD stats are empty. He’s like LeBron at this point. It’s easy to score in this era. But he can’t defend or rebound. Don’t know what you were watching last year
bwgood77 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:BobbieL wrote:
Beal has never been approached about a trade
Windbag is wrong in this case
I would ask Windbag - name five teams that would trade for Beal?
Beal's a good guy, I just don't understand how we got to the point where he wouldn't come off the bench considering he's already come off the bench for us last season. And further to that, how did we get the point where the rhetoric the front office end is so toxic towards him. And lastly, given all that, why is Beal so insistent on staying with a franchise whose front office seems to toxic towards him. Like if it was me, I'm outta here
How has the front office been toxic towards him?
King4Day wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Qwigglez wrote:I want to see what contract extension Mark Williams will receive.
What are the chances we don't extend him and let him play himself into restricted FA ? That's what I would do
I would see us giving him about 4 years 60 mil. If he won't take that, I think the most I may do it 17-19mil per for 3 years.
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Guaranteed seasons became non-guaranteed due to games played clause:
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20% of 2025-26 salary becomes guaranteed if passes all six of his weigh-in checkpoints during the 2024-25 season
40% of 2025-26 salary becomes guaranteed if plays >= 41 games during 2024-25 season, additional 20% if plays >= 51 games, remaining 20% if plays >= 61 games.
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bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm sorry, but it'd be really dumb to just send Beal home to sit when we need to not only have his production (off the bench preferrably)! But also have him play to showcase himself for prospective teams in trade.
His contract and salary are what they are, and having him sit at home helps nothing, and doesn't help to recoup value perception from his in game production if he's not playing at all.
Sometimes I wonder if Windbag really thinks he's trying to help or he's some Dan Gilbert (Cleveland) operative just trying to make the situation worse for Ishbia and the suns to capitulate to Gilbert himself in their (Gilbert and Ishbias') pissing contest??
If he was a bad teammate or creating some sort of issues like Butler was that would be one thing, but by all accounts he's a great teammate and locker room guy, so that is ridiculous. If he is saying we should do it since he is refusing to waive his NTC, then I'd want to know there was evidence of a trade in place that he nixed. One other thing is, I don't necessarily think that would work to make him want to take his family somewhere they didn't want to go, if he could just stay home with them and get paid. Windbag has always been kind of ridiculous though.
sounds like a typical DA fan, everyone else’s fault but his. I don’t have a problem with Beal the person or the player but he doesn’t have a place here. Not much left to argue about.thamadkant wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm sorry, but it'd be really dumb to just send Beal home to sit when we need to not only have his production (off the bench preferrably)! But also have him play to showcase himself for prospective teams in trade.
His contract and salary are what they are, and having him sit at home helps nothing, and doesn't help to recoup value perception from his in game production if he's not playing at all.
Sometimes I wonder if Windbag really thinks he's trying to help or he's some Dan Gilbert (Cleveland) operative just trying to make the situation worse for Ishbia and the suns to capitulate to Gilbert himself in their (Gilbert and Ishbias') pissing contest??
If he was a bad teammate or creating some sort of issues like Butler was that would be one thing, but by all accounts he's a great teammate and locker room guy, so that is ridiculous. If he is saying we should do it since he is refusing to waive his NTC, then I'd want to know there was evidence of a trade in place that he nixed. One other thing is, I don't necessarily think that would work to make him want to take his family somewhere they didn't want to go, if he could just stay home with them and get paid. Windbag has always been kind of ridiculous though.
The Beal hate is similar to the Ayton hate. It stems from fans completely ignoring the facts and data and falling in love with the narrative and information spread from Gambo and Suns HQ. Basically, gaslighting fans who dont analyze the numbers, analyze the on court product. Suns FO agenda push onto the Suns media is CANCER and is to justify executive board decisions.
The ONLY thing true fans should really wish for Beal is for him to be HEALTHY so he plays 75+ games. Those who have fallen for the gaslighting will want him traded for peanuts to the detriment of the team.
thamadkant wrote:sunsfan1o1 wrote:thamadkant wrote:
Mark Williams is TBD. There is a reason he fetched what he fetched. 15/10 23 year old big men dont go for very late 1st rounders. And considering Suns just got a very good steal with Fleming, first round picks late or not CAN be very valuable if someone with so much potential slips, or 21+ year olds who tend to be good role player when they get to the NBA.
The Rockets trade is looking better, but again, KD is a 27/6/4 super efficient scorer who is above average to good defensively still.... so Suns lost a legit top 10 player 36 year old or not.
Jalen Green has to continue to improve and improve his shot selection and Maluach needs to also prove he isnt Thabeet version 2.
KD stats are empty. He’s like LeBron at this point. It’s easy to score in this era. But he can’t defend or rebound. Don’t know what you were watching last year
Lol
Then same can be said about Booker. I rcently did a stats study from the game logs from the last 2 years and I'm telling you now, KD''s more efficient and has better shooting than Booker and has better defense ratings/ advance stats /rim protection.
Lebron's only shallow stats is his PPG.... his rebounds and assists are all GOOD for the team and system Lakers ran. Their biggest problem is he is average to below average defensively. Had he played PF full time for Lakers and Lakers kept KCP and Caruso you would see that his stats arent that empty or shallow, Lebron controls the tempo and system for the Lakers.... now it has shifted to Luka.
